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obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
October 23 2013 14:12 GMT
#5901
On October 23 2013 23:10 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2013 23:03 obesechicken13 wrote:
On October 23 2013 22:58 Numy wrote:
Isn't Jax pretty decent too? It becomes a farmoff which jax loves?

If you're talking about vs Garen, I almost always lose lane to Garen as Jax.

Personally I don't think I know which champion shuts Garen down on championselect. People tend to say Teemo Elise Jayce and Yorick do but those guys are supposed to counter everything. I've seen Warwicks that weren't fed fight Garens and win though.


I was talking about Singed. The garen info is a bonus though I didn't know that.

Most people say Jax sucks vs Singed.

I kind of agree with you though. The matchup isn't that bad for me but my Singeds are probably shitty.
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Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21245 Posts
October 23 2013 14:17 GMT
#5902
garen just doesnt -do- anything outside of laning so whatever
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IceteaGuy
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany95 Posts
October 23 2013 14:20 GMT
#5903
On October 23 2013 22:58 Numy wrote:
Isn't Jax pretty decent too? It becomes a farmoff which jax loves?


There's like so many things Jax doesn't like in facing Singed, it's hard to explain all of them. To keep it short, he will always outtrade you, whatever you may try. Until you get Triforce and Blade you don't have the damage to all in him - and even then he will have more items than you (because he will have bullied you around) and just run away when you've used your cooldowns.
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-23 14:31:00
October 23 2013 14:28 GMT
#5904
Eh... by level 6, as long as Jax keeps trades short, he can trade "well enough" with Singed that he won't get run over in lane and can farm just fine. Don't leapstrike onto him and try to force the issue, just farm and trade if he walks up to you. Save leapstrike for disengage. Get an early vamp scepter but go for phage->sheen->triforce first. If he starts proxy farming, the vamp scepter will let you just tank the wave (might still need to counterstrike) outside your turret so there isnt any turret pressure.created.

If singed pops ult, don't keep trying to trade, tho remember if it's a forced fight, your E does reduce poison damage in addition to your R's huge resists.

I'd put the lane like... 5.5/10 in favor of singed. It's not a fun matchup for Jax, but it's playable.
On October 23 2013 23:09 thenexusp wrote:
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On October 23 2013 22:20 justiceknight wrote:
what do u use vs singed top? i was forced to top in rank game and randomly chose malphite and scrub lol.

Teemo.

Kennen. Annoying yordle just like Teemo, but useful in teamfights.

If you're a real asshole, build bilgewater cutlass in lane.
Kyrie
Profile Joined June 2013
1594 Posts
October 23 2013 14:41 GMT
#5905
invertedcomposer's singed guide is a good if outdated (two months, so no trinity buff) resource for common matchups against singed. note that the majority of matchups are rated even
IceteaGuy
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany95 Posts
October 23 2013 14:45 GMT
#5906
There's times to proxy farm with Singed and there's times not to. When dealing with a Jax who can tank a wave thanks to his lifesteal, then that's not the time to.
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-23 14:54:16
October 23 2013 14:49 GMT
#5907
Guys it's starting to happen... Blitz is becoming non-permaban status... Jinx has been eating the Blitz ban in a lot of my games (for some reason).

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

REJOICE!

Not a brag, just moreso pointing out that Thresh is being banned in favor of Blitz, and Blitz's 6-7 month status of solo queue perma ban is finally lifting.
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AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-23 14:52:49
October 23 2013 14:52 GMT
#5908
On October 23 2013 23:49 Zdrastochye wrote:
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Guys it's starting to happen... Blitz is becoming non-permaban status... Jinx has been eating the Blitz ban in a lot of my games (for some reason).

[image loading]

REJOICE!

Not a brag, just moreso pointing out that Thresh is being banned in favor of Blitz, and Blitz's 6-7 month status of solo queue perma ban is finally lifting.


6-7 month? More like always.

Maybe now I should consider practicing him at all. Never been worth before.
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Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
October 23 2013 14:54 GMT
#5909
Nah I KNOW it's been 7 months. He's been my favorite champ since I started playing, I keep track of these things. About 6-7 months ago I couldn't pick him in ANY game. Now I get to play him 4 games in a row. I'm so happy right now.
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Kyrie
Profile Joined June 2013
1594 Posts
October 23 2013 14:55 GMT
#5910
bronzodia's constancy was one of the foundations of my world, i don't know what to think anymore
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 23 2013 15:27 GMT
#5911
On October 23 2013 23:49 Zdrastochye wrote:
Guys it's starting to happen... Blitz is becoming non-permaban status... Jinx has been eating the Blitz ban in a lot of my games (for some reason).

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

REJOICE!

Not a brag, just moreso pointing out that Thresh is being banned in favor of Blitz, and Blitz's 6-7 month status of solo queue perma ban is finally lifting.


It's more that Blitz is just so good in solo queue because people will always get hit by hooks. I still see him banned plenty, often along with Thresh.
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
October 23 2013 15:27 GMT
#5912
--- Nuked ---
Xenocide_Knight
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Korea (South)2625 Posts
October 23 2013 15:37 GMT
#5913
On October 23 2013 21:58 Slayer91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2013 21:50 Xenocide_Knight wrote:
On October 23 2013 20:46 upperbound wrote:
Why am I facing Garen like every other top lane matchup these days?

Also, every enemy jungler seems to camp for the Garen, which is extremely annoying because being down levels to a Garen makes it literally impossible to ever trade. I don't remember this champion being so annoying to lane against. Who pick?

Shen eats garen alive, the only way garen can possibly deal with vorpral spam is to spin into your creeps in which case he pushes his lane, eats creep damage, and you can merrily ki strike and taunt out. In fact, at early levels, if you have a full wave of creeps, he can't even do that as your vorpral+ki+creeps out trades his QE combo. Once you start getting items, it just turns into a farm fest where he becomes useless and you carry your team to victory.


regen garen
you thought there wasn't any lategame oriented garen builds?
think again
DEMACIA NOW AND FOREVER

But that's not nearly as effective anymore with the nerfed warmogs and FoN gone.
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EquilasH
Profile Joined April 2009
Denmark2142 Posts
October 23 2013 15:46 GMT
#5914
I think Blitz had a month or two with frequent bans on EUW. He hasn't been banned much at all after the coupe of nerfs he took.
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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-23 16:03:17
October 23 2013 16:01 GMT
#5915
On October 23 2013 22:20 justiceknight wrote:
what do u use vs singed top? i was forced to top in rank game and randomly chose malphite and scrub lol.


Garen used to DESTROY him when FoN was in the game, you just rushed it and it gave the perfect stats vs him.
noways should probably pick nasus or something against singed.

garens laning phase isnt even strong guys its just jax that sucks against him. he peaks mid game atm.

On October 23 2013 23:17 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
garen just doesnt -do- anything outside of laning so whatever


BATTLE THE INFAMY

On October 24 2013 00:37 Xenocide_Knight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2013 21:58 Slayer91 wrote:
On October 23 2013 21:50 Xenocide_Knight wrote:
On October 23 2013 20:46 upperbound wrote:
Why am I facing Garen like every other top lane matchup these days?

Also, every enemy jungler seems to camp for the Garen, which is extremely annoying because being down levels to a Garen makes it literally impossible to ever trade. I don't remember this champion being so annoying to lane against. Who pick?

Shen eats garen alive, the only way garen can possibly deal with vorpral spam is to spin into your creeps in which case he pushes his lane, eats creep damage, and you can merrily ki strike and taunt out. In fact, at early levels, if you have a full wave of creeps, he can't even do that as your vorpral+ki+creeps out trades his QE combo. Once you start getting items, it just turns into a farm fest where he becomes useless and you carry your team to victory.


regen garen
you thought there wasn't any lategame oriented garen builds?
think again
DEMACIA NOW AND FOREVER

But that's not nearly as effective anymore with the nerfed warmogs and FoN gone.


just get regen stuff early and use a normal build later. Warmogs sucks now you wanna get resists to abuse dat garen W. Hexdrinker/brutalizer/lw for damage and sunfire/randuins/thornmail for armour.
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-23 16:17:11
October 23 2013 16:13 GMT
#5916
On October 24 2013 00:27 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2013 23:49 Zdrastochye wrote:
Guys it's starting to happen... Blitz is becoming non-permaban status... Jinx has been eating the Blitz ban in a lot of my games (for some reason).

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

REJOICE!

Not a brag, just moreso pointing out that Thresh is being banned in favor of Blitz, and Blitz's 6-7 month status of solo queue perma ban is finally lifting.


It's more that Blitz is just so good in solo queue because people will always get hit by hooks. I still see him banned plenty, often along with Thresh.


Yeah I'm fine with him being banned occasionally, but you can't tell me he's that strong of a champ after his nerfs. Just straight up fight him and you win most cases. Unless he's paired with a bursty adc like Graves or Jinx. I'll pick him into anything, with any adc, just cause I love him all game long. Pleasure playing the champ > picking the correct champion to gain LP.

Playing him in my third game of the day, two more after that screenshot, still no Blitz banned. I feel like I've died and gone to heaven.
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Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
October 23 2013 16:16 GMT
#5917
My Blitzcrank es numero uno. One shots Kissblade.
God Bless
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
October 23 2013 16:23 GMT
#5918
I like Vlad vs. Singed.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
October 23 2013 16:25 GMT
#5919
Honestly I feel like lategame garen comes down to getting a BC, and providing a monstrous wall of EHP for enemy carries to burn through, and using ulti on a vital target who gets low, because even on a tank, a 1k+ magic nuke still really, really hurts.

Also the psychological effect of seeing somebody drop to garen ulti.
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UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
October 23 2013 16:46 GMT
#5920
I think Garen straight up sucks late, black cleaver or not. Only thing he's good for is padding k/d. He has no special positioning tools and does no damage to anyone but squishies which half the time he can't reach.

Although according to wei2coolman I "must be playing him wrong" because my little aoe isn't overlapping with two vulnerable targets the majority of the time, so if you need tips, hit him up.
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