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Navi
5286 Posts
and thanks, mordek! i've been like semi-aware of their existence but forgot about it now. cheers | ||
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
On August 20 2013 21:13 Navi wrote: on a related note, in terms of diet, is it possible to both lose fat and gain muscle at the same time (thermodynamics would suggest no?) if not, does "toning" mean making leaner muscles and losing fat, rather than gaining muscle mass? as of now, i'm pretty ignorant, so i'm just going to focus on eating healthy food as suggested per this http://simplesciencefitness.com/ I don't know if it's possible, since I don't work in the exercise field and everything I've read contradicts each other. "Toning" is this archaic concept that you develop lean muscle instead of bigger muscle. That's not true. Think of it this way: On a sliding scale, you either have muscle or you don't. And on another sliding scale you either have fat, or you don't. So you can have a lot of muscle and a lot of fat, or you can have a lot of muscle and not a lot of fat. Or you can have neither. There's no such thing as building a certain type of muscle, or that there is a lean muscle and a fat muscle. It's all the same muscle. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
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Navi
5286 Posts
i think im going to try cutting down my diet and cleaning it out while maintaining / increasing physical activity, chicks in korea dig the leaner look anyway huehue maybe ill work on bulking and any subsequent cutting back in the states. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
a lot more work shopping/cooking wise and more expensive though | ||
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
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remedium
United States939 Posts
stop drinking soda | ||
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
On August 20 2013 23:55 remedium wrote: if you drink soda stop drinking soda Cutting out 1 can of soda lets you cook all your food in butter/lard/[saturated fat of your choice] mmmmmmmmm | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
Basically yeah whenever any fitness sites or bros new to the gym talk about toning they think of having more visible and defined muscles, which is accomplished by strict dieting to reduce Bodyfat% and not some weird low weight high rep shit. Your best bet to already start either Stronglifts or Starting Strength in Korea (which are the 2 common recommended routines in the fitness forum).With the proper diet you will still lose bodyfat% but still improve your gains/lifts. I know korean chicks tend to prefer the more "lean type" over the bulky one, but pls don't aim for the male idol type which seems to be anywhere 170-180cm but only 55kg^^ | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On August 20 2013 19:20 Slayer91 wrote: since pretty much all MMA use boxing/muay thai (or some similar variants of kickboxing) for standup and brazilian jiu-jutsu/wrestling for grappling and pretty much nobody uses much of anything else except as a background martial art I think its pretty reasonable to compare them tbh. they are definitely some rules in mma that would change the way you fight a bit (i think roundhouse kicks expose your groin, groundfighting not too useful vs 1 more than 1 opponent, which leaves probably boxing as the most solid thing assuming you dont break your hand because you're used to striking a hard head with padding) that said, anyone good at any martial art has a huge advantage, but to say theres no point comparing is going too far also people ignoring size/weight, some 140 lb nerd with a chair isnt going to last long against someone whos 200 lb or something lol If you ever watch pride fc you'll know that most of that isn't true. | ||
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zodde
Sweden1908 Posts
On August 21 2013 00:21 wei2coolman wrote: If you ever watch pride fc you'll know that most of that isn't true. Didn't know 140 lb nerds fought in pride :D | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
no, but there were no weight classes, and there were quite a large variety of fighting styles/martial arts that were used. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On August 21 2013 00:13 AsnSensation wrote: Welcome to Health&Fitness Navi! Basically yeah whenever any fitness sites or bros new to the gym talk about toning they think of having more visible and defined muscles, which is accomplished by strict dieting to reduce Bodyfat% and not some weird low weight high rep shit. Your best bet to already start either Stronglifts or Starting Strength in Korea (which are the 2 common recommended routines in the fitness forum).With the proper diet you will still lose bodyfat% but still improve your gains/lifts. I know korean chicks tend to prefer the more "lean type" over the bulky one, but pls don't aim for the male idol type which seems to be anywhere 170-180cm but only 55kg^^ Ouch. Well, I'm glad I'm a little over that. To be fair though, I do eat like a minimum of 4,000 kcal a day, its just my stupid metabolism burning through it all too fast. Went to the gym (mostly weights, lol cardio) and tacked on an extra 2,000 kcal a day from protein shakes, total gains for the summer was 5 lbs. Looking for a "real workout routine" for the school year though, I'll take a look at the two mentioned. EDIT: Wait, what? This Starting Strength thing does like no reps or anything. Time to look at the other thingy. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
you ate 6000calories/day and didn't gain more than 5lbs ?? dayum | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On August 21 2013 00:21 wei2coolman wrote: If you ever watch pride fc you'll know that most of that isn't true. pride definitely had some weight classes, but seemingly broader than something like boxing. cant think of any fighters that actively use stuff that isnt wrestling/bjj/muay thai/boxing i remember bas rutten saying he did like karate and taekwondo before going to muay thai classes and getting his ass kicked for a bit, same with georges st pierre who also had a backround of karate semmy schilt of K-1 actually started off with a certain type of karate though, but he's also nearly 7 foot tall and 300 lb so he has pretty huge advantages there also pride fc was earlier days and what is effective stays | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On August 21 2013 00:47 Slayer91 wrote: pride definitely had some weight classes, but seemingly broader than something like boxing. cant think of any fighters that actively use stuff that isnt wrestling/bjj/muay thai/boxing i remember bas rutten saying he did like karate and taekwondo before going to muay thai classes and getting his ass kicked for a bit, same with georges st pierre who also had a backround of karate semmy schilt of K-1 actually started off with a certain type of karate though, but he's also nearly 7 foot tall and 300 lb so he has pretty huge advantages there also pride fc was earlier days and what is effective stays What's popular != what's good. Kickboxing still insanely effective, along with some basic TKD kicks. Karate is still a huge influence on tons of fighters. Judo takedowns are also common and effective. All the UFC proves is who is a better fighter, not which martial arts is the best. | ||
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Dark_Chill
Canada3353 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
kickboxing is basically muay thai in my book, its just better to label something in english so ppl know wtf it is | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On August 21 2013 01:01 Slayer91 wrote: cant think of anywhere in my post that referenced popularity unless you mean whats popular among the best isnt what's good in which case we should assume what they do is the best broadly unless some aikido master shows up and dominates everyone lolol kickboxing is basically muay thai in my book, its just better to label something in english so ppl know wtf it is "cant think of any fighters that actively use stuff that isnt wrestling/bjj/muay thai/boxing " Which I was assuming was referencing the popularity of the uses of these 4 martial arts. Also, kickboxing is significantly different enough from muaythai that it deserves its own classification. Not like muay thai has axe kicks in its repetoire. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
like muay thai is a formal martial art, but nowadays they train muay thai but compete in "Kickboxing" competitions (K-1 at the top level) "Which I was assuming was referencing the popularity of the uses of these 4 martial arts." at the top level of fighting, which means that we can reasonably assume they are whats the most effective (some variance but not a lot) | ||
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