[Patch 3.10: Yimake Patch] General Discussion - Page 327

On August 22 2013 01:18 Alaric wrote:
Infinite Duress actually has a very short cooldown (90 to 70s) and can easily abuse standard cooldown ultimates: in top lane Ragnarok removes suppressions but has a longer cd so WW can somewhat easily abuse Olaf for example, in bot lane it's comparable to Leona ulting against a Sona lane knowing Crescendo will cancel this trade but won't be available the next time Solar Flare comes up.

However, WW has no means at all to force trades. All he can do is run at people and Q them, which burns his mana pool very fast.
Sure his autoattacks aren't too shabby (Blitz and Alistar have close base AD but his passive keeps him ahead) but he has to reach people to use them, and to keep up with them, making boots very important on him asap. Considering he doesn't have gap closers (hard or MS buffs) the tiniest slow or creep block is devastating to him, sticking his head to take a beating from ranged champs.

Basically, PX seems (personal interpretation) to suggest that you should pick him with a long range/pokey marksman to do the work in lane by himself, playing passive/having the marksman shove until he hits 6 or an AD-oriented jungler comes to gank. A bit like how Soraka+Graves was about allowing Graves to shove the lane and harass people with Q spam, except Soraka actually helped Graves.

However, to me it also means you basically surrender the entire laning phase by going for a farm fest at best, until level 6 where you can try all-ins and ganks setup on a low cooldown with a reliable cc (although against the low cd of Thresh's Flail it looks like a pretty inane idea to me).
The ult is good for pick-ups during roaming phase because of its cd and how it works and people still aren't too rich. However, you are less likely to win lane unless you snowball at level 6, and you are straight-up useless if you get shoved to tower (esp. if paired with Ezreal), I don't really expect the ability to take the enemy tower first and roam from the WW lane as the standard outcome.

You also have nothing to defend from ganks, unless the enemy jungler is dumb and comes with less than half-HP (and you'll burst him down anyway when that happens unless it's Zac or Sej or Amumu).



As for the "don't cc him" claims, considering how useless WW is without his ult, it's not about cc-ing his ult and outtrading the enemy. Sure, if his AD is reactive you'll lose the trade. However, cc him, disengage (Flay him then run away with W to reduce the poke from his AD; Bubble him then use your passive's MS and maybe the slow from E to run away; Taric is bad now so it's nothing new but he doesn't care because he has sustain to make up for your damage), wait your cooldowns to come back up/heal some, and then WW has nothing but an AS buff (which can be negated by hard cc on the marksman during its duration).
He also has the same weakness as Leona that he needs to get in so he's open to being baited while the jungler waits nearby, 'cept even Leona disengages better than him (W survivability, ranged ult, and Q to gain a bit of ground).

Really, I could see it work somewhat with Cait/Varus using Infinite Duress to chain cc and force a longer trade (and Varus maxing Q could have the burst to take down a squishy) but barring that there's nothing wrong with cc-ing WW, disengaging then wrecking your duo.