[Patch 3.10: Yimake Patch] General Discussion - Page 16

On July 31 2013 22:12 Clinic wrote:


that's a pretty hamfisted critique, perhaps you could point out a few specific changes that make you feel this way

On July 31 2013 22:20 JustAGame wrote:


-Defensive items got nerfed a lot recently, (bulkward removed, warmogs worse than before, etc etc),
-MR price got inceased, while effectivenes of magic and armor pen got increased.
-New champions tend to be rather squichy with higher damage and gap closers. Defensive gold items (heart of gold) was removed.
-Jungle was changed to allow more ganks, and most important: more unexpected ganks, easily allowing jungler to camp lanes.
-Added both ap and AD items that scale with total health (BotRK and liandrys)
-Minion damage was reduced to allow more agressive play in lane.
-They even added a tower dive item (although its barely used).

Overall, the damage output of champions has been increased, while defensive items have increased in price or got nerfed.
This is not about this patch only, its about the general direction of riot, with item changes, new champions etc.

On July 31 2013 22:08 JustAGame wrote:
to me it seems like riot is trying to make LoL a squichy slaughter fest rather than increasing strategy and tactics

On July 31 2013 21:58 BobMcJohnson wrote:


Comparing Bulwark to the new locket you get:

Runic Bulwark
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Locket of the Iron Solari
+ Show Spoiler +

New Locket is 450g cheaper, at the cost of:
-35 MR (30 for self, 5 from the aura)
-10 Armor (from the Aura)
+10% CDR
Locket Active Shield (230hp at level18)

Dunno, maybe i'm wrong but the final item doesnt even look that good, my first reaction when reading the patchnotes was "well I guess I'll just get this on junglers instead of aegis" but the self MR/Armor loss is actually pretty brutal, plus the aura isn't that much appealing anymore :/

For a similar price of 2400g you can get Spectre's Cowl + Warden's mail, which gets you:
+200 Health
+45 Magic Resist
+50 Armor
UNIQUE Passive: Grants +15 Health Regen per 5 seconds for up to 10 seconds after taking damage from an enemy champion
UNIQUE Passive - Cold Steel: When hit by basic attacks, reduces the attacker's Attack Speed by 15% for 1 seconds.

Even factoring the aura loss it looks more attractive to me, Plus you can upgrade them to Visage/Randuin after that.

Looking at it from a Jungler's point of view ofc. Supports are getting fucked but I think that we already have that established.

On July 31 2013 22:20 JustAGame wrote:


-Defensive items got nerfed a lot recently, (bulkward removed, warmogs worse than before, etc etc),
-MR price got inceased, while effectivenes of magic and armor pen got increased.
-New champions tend to be rather squichy with higher damage and gap closers. Defensive gold items (heart of gold) was removed.
-Jungle was changed to allow more ganks, and most important: more unexpected ganks, easily allowing jungler to camp lanes.
-Added both ap and AD items that scale with total health (BotRK and liandrys)
-Minion damage was reduced to allow more agressive play in lane.
-They even added a tower dive item (although its barely used).

Overall, the damage output of champions has been increased, while defensive items have increased in price or got nerfed.
This is not about this patch only, its about the general direction of riot, with item changes, new champions etc.

On July 31 2013 22:27 rob.au wrote:


Good, everyone was way too tanky or didn't do enough damage in LoL for a long time. IMO changes like this increase the importance of strategy and tactics.

On July 31 2013 22:40 sylverfyre wrote:
But what can I build out of a kindlegem on a support ._.... New locket replaces bulwark in price point and what it does, but old LOCKET was basically the only "real item" I ever built on support.

On July 31 2013 22:39 Clinic wrote:


thanks for taking the time to flesh out the argument, good stuff.

while i'd mostly agree with your stated points, there are some additional ones on the other end of the scale that went unmentioned. the biggest ones for mr and armor that i can think of at the moment are:

- new mr item this patch to make easier to acquire on individual champs. how much this item will actually matter is yet to be seen, and i would be inclined to agree that mr is too difficult to buy in its absence
- armor is not difficult or inefficient to buy at all - see warden's mail/randuins

i also believe that some of the nerfs to defensive items, namely early s3 warmogs, were necessary because they were stifling the game. a lot of this discussion is a matter of opinion on what ideal game balance is like, but i think that warmogs was harmful to the game in its old state from any reasonable perspective.

although i don't see eye to eye with you on how item balance is impacting the game, i do agree that the jungle changes in particular have resulted in people just camping lanes forever. i would also like to see this change, and we see riot trying (with limited success so far) to address this. i would expect to see significant jungle changes for s4, but the jungle meta is probably here to stay for the rest of this season.

whether the overall balance trend of promoting aggression has decreased the importance of strategy is altogether a different argument, and i don't believe that aggression due to champions being easier to kill necessarily comes at the cost of strategy

On July 31 2013 23:17 Tula wrote:
is the euw server still dead for anyone else?

The login server doesn't respond to my login prompts (first time i've had that problem).

On July 31 2013 23:20 sob3k wrote:
new yi seems quite strong, at least for soloq

On July 31 2013 22:43 Requizen wrote:

Zoom Zoom Reverie. You can even go back to getting Philo for regen in lane.

On July 31 2013 23:26 Requizen wrote:

Can't wait to get home and play him some. Already posted my theorycraft in the Yi thread, so I'm pretty hyped to try him.

On July 31 2013 22:52 JustAGame wrote:


Ok i will point this out a little more:

In season one the game was slow.. it was basically an afk farming fest with rare dragons fights. Boring to play.. boring to watch.
Then some time between season 2 and 3 it was good (at least for me)
Now, its way too much of the squichy brusting (in my opinion)

Strategy and tactics require time to decide about them and time to use them. If you make only one decision during a fight, there is barely a chance to make good plays. If the game is all about bursting each other down, its more like a deathmatch.

e.g. when i play bot lane i think can win my lane by doing good plays etc.
When i play mid it often feels like the lane is decided by which jungler camps harder and which jungler has the higher burst damage rather than who uses his stuns /slow etc more efficient.

On July 31 2013 23:26 Requizen wrote:

Can't wait to get home and play him some. Already posted my theorycraft in the Yi thread, so I'm pretty hyped to try him.

On July 31 2013 23:48 Numy wrote:


What lane though? Just faced my first in the jungle and it was about as mediocre as most non-utility junglers, if not way more than most non-utility junglers.