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Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
May 18 2013 19:48 GMT
#921
On May 19 2013 03:45 Schwopzi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 03:19 nafta wrote:
On May 19 2013 03:16 Alaric wrote:
qtpie's saying the NA announcement is him getting kicked from Dignitas. Then again people say he's a troll, so...


Well (yesterday I think it was) he said he was kicked from dignitas and replaced by fabby which was rather hilarious :D.


qtpie's going to start his own boyband i heard.

confirmed on saint's stream.

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If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17284 Posts
May 18 2013 19:51 GMT
#922
The pro strats vs Ryze have been to blow everything to kill him first.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
May 18 2013 19:55 GMT
#923
Just get Soraka support and drop that sick silence on him in teamfights. Well timed silence is the most brutal thing for Ryze.
I am the Town Medic.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
May 18 2013 20:23 GMT
#924
On May 19 2013 04:47 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 04:43 Simberto wrote:
On May 18 2013 23:10 kongoline wrote:
i find it weird ryze is almost perma banned on tw/korean streams but rarely picked/played on na/eu, personally i find him bat shit op late game and even if u feed early u can easily come back considering how stupid solo Q is sometimes


I personally hate playing against Ryze. He basically functions as a timer, if the game takes more then 30 minutes, you lose, because even if you catch him he is still absurdly tanky and kills half your team before dying. And if you don't attack him, he kills all of your team before you have killed even one of his tanks.

That is grossly exaggerated imo. This was probably more true before rework. But in s3 you can shut him down pretty hard. He's still hard to stop if he snowballs, but its hard for ryze to start the snowball.

Eh. Honestly Ryze can start a snowball pretty easily by himself once he gets Tear, especially after he gets Tear+Cata. Take TP on Ryze and just counter-gank every time your sidelanes get ganked and you snowball pretty darn easily.
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
May 18 2013 20:56 GMT
#925
Soraka isn't very common, but stuff like fiddle cho and Kass are very good vs ryze.

Also lane swap mid and he can't farm much.
TranslatorBaa!
IamPryda
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1186 Posts
May 18 2013 21:01 GMT
#926
I won a ranked game last night where our team was getting beat decent in every lane but they never could finish us and then at about the 33 min mark ryze hit a triple kill and quadra in back to back team fights and went from 0/3/1 to 7/3/2 in a 5 mins and from there we Rofl stomped
Moar banelings less qq
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-18 21:07:26
May 18 2013 21:04 GMT
#927
On May 19 2013 00:44 Mensol wrote:
i heard Chinese fans saying that team China will beat NA in 15 minutes -_-

team NA will prove wrong a lot of people.

I BELIEVE

MY HOPES AND DREAMS ARE ON YOUR SHOULDERS NA

Honestly though NA has a SICK team and everything they say about "Oh yeah our own teams could beat this" is bullshit that they're saying because they don't want to trash talk their own team. Possibly the ONLY way to improve this team would be to put Chauster on support over Xpecial but Xpecial and DL have some sick synergy anyway from what I hear.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
ArchAngelSC
Profile Joined April 2012
England706 Posts
May 18 2013 21:05 GMT
#928
On May 19 2013 06:01 IamPryda wrote:
I won a ranked game last night where our team was getting beat decent in every lane but they never could finish us and then at about the 33 min mark ryze hit a triple kill and quadra in back to back team fights and went from 0/3/1 to 7/3/2 in a 5 mins and from there we Rofl stomped

I had a game like that a while back. My team was losing sooo hard we actually had 3 inhibs down but managed to kill the enemy team before they got our nexus. Then after that point our team just seemed to pass a threshold where our comp was so much stronger we literally could not lose a single team fight. We even roflstomped them when they had baron buff (we couldn't constest cause 3 inhibs were down). It was a pretty interesting thing to observe.

We did end up losing the game cause of people getting caught solo too much(typical soloQ -.-), but for like 10-15 minutes we completely destroyed every 5v5 fight we had.
Badboyrune
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden2247 Posts
May 18 2013 21:13 GMT
#929
On May 19 2013 06:04 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 00:44 Mensol wrote:
i heard Chinese fans saying that team China will beat NA in 15 minutes -_-

team NA will prove wrong a lot of people.

I BELIEVE

MY HOPES AND DREAMS ARE ON YOUR SHOULDERS NA

Honestly though NA has a SICK team and everything they say about "Oh yeah our own teams could beat this" is bullshit that they're saying because they don't want to trash talk their own team. Possibly the ONLY way to improve this team would be to put Chauster on support over Xpecial but Xpecial and DL have some sick synergy anyway from what I hear.


You'd really take Dyrus over voyboy?
"If yellow does start SC2, I should start handsomenerd diaper busniess and become a rich man" - John the Translator
Louuster
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2869 Posts
May 18 2013 21:20 GMT
#930
On May 19 2013 06:13 Badboyrune wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 06:04 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
On May 19 2013 00:44 Mensol wrote:
i heard Chinese fans saying that team China will beat NA in 15 minutes -_-

team NA will prove wrong a lot of people.

I BELIEVE

MY HOPES AND DREAMS ARE ON YOUR SHOULDERS NA

Honestly though NA has a SICK team and everything they say about "Oh yeah our own teams could beat this" is bullshit that they're saying because they don't want to trash talk their own team. Possibly the ONLY way to improve this team would be to put Chauster on support over Xpecial but Xpecial and DL have some sick synergy anyway from what I hear.


You'd really take Dyrus over voyboy?


I think at this point most people would, and especially 5HIT if you are really asking him that lol. Dyrus just feels a lot more "stable" from top lane, what he said on SOTL about playing with Scarra vs playing with Regi actually applies a lot to himself vs Voyboy in top lane.
Kim Taek Yong fighting~
beefhamburger
Profile Joined December 2007
United States3962 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-18 21:27:33
May 18 2013 21:26 GMT
#931
Dyrus I could understanding taking over Voy, but I'm having second thoughts on DL after thinking about it more. I used to think DL was the best choice and voted for him, but now I think I'd rather have Wildturtle, solely for the reason that DL is not very versatile in his champion pool. Not that he couldn't play said champ if he had to, but by playing for CLG he's forced to pick only a select few ADs which he's more practiced with. Yes, he can win with one of his main champs, but I think he'll need to pick up Varus +/- MF +/- more Trist if he is to be able to choose the absolute best champion vs. a certain team comp going into allstars. I hope he's practicing at least one of those during bootcamp.
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-18 21:32:00
May 18 2013 21:31 GMT
#932
On May 19 2013 06:26 beefhamburger wrote:
Dyrus I could understanding taking over Voy, but I'm having second thoughts on DL after thinking about it more. I used to think DL was the best choice and voted for him, but now I think I'd rather have Wildturtle, solely for the reason that DL is not very versatile in his champion pool. Not that he couldn't play said champ if he had to, but by playing for CLG he's forced to pick only a select few ADs which he's more practiced with. Yes, he can win with one of his main champs, but I think he'll need to pick up Varus +/- MF +/- more Trist if he is to be able to choose the absolute best champion vs. a certain team comp going into allstars. I hope he's practicing at least one of those during bootcamp.

DL sounds like a liability since in one of those interviews the allstars team said he was going ham in scrims.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
May 18 2013 21:44 GMT
#933
On May 19 2013 04:38 TheYango wrote:
Outer Turrets have 152+4/min AD, with 30% Armor Pen
Melee Minions have 445+20/3 min HP and 0+2/3 min Armor
Ranged Minions have 280 +15/3 min HP and 0+1.25/min Armor

So at 0/3/6/9/12 minutes (ignoring the fact that Minion stats change at x:00 and Turret stats change at x:40):
Melee minions have 141/144/147/150/153 HP leftover after 2 tower hits
Ranged minions have 128/132/136/140/144 HP leftover after 2 tower hits

So Craton is right. It's 2+2 and 1+2 until you pass the relevant AD thresholds and after that your AD growth far outstrips the rate at which the threshold goes up.


Huh. I was pretty sure you don't need 141 AD to 2+1 the melee minions under tower at the start of the game ...

Speaking of, wasn't there a patch that decreased tower damage, but then gave the towers increased damage vs minions to compensate (so last-hitting wouldn't change)? Or was that just damage vs champions? It's actually somewhat hard to find a page that has all the patch notes from patches that affected turrets...
IamPryda
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1186 Posts
May 18 2013 21:47 GMT
#934
On May 19 2013 06:13 Badboyrune wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 06:04 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
On May 19 2013 00:44 Mensol wrote:
i heard Chinese fans saying that team China will beat NA in 15 minutes -_-

team NA will prove wrong a lot of people.

I BELIEVE

MY HOPES AND DREAMS ARE ON YOUR SHOULDERS NA

Honestly though NA has a SICK team and everything they say about "Oh yeah our own teams could beat this" is bullshit that they're saying because they don't want to trash talk their own team. Possibly the ONLY way to improve this team would be to put Chauster on support over Xpecial but Xpecial and DL have some sick synergy anyway from what I hear.


You'd really take Dyrus over voyboy?

Doesn't matter who tops for NA team because shy is really that much better
Moar banelings less qq
DonKey_
Profile Joined May 2010
Liechtenstein1356 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-18 22:01:15
May 18 2013 22:00 GMT
#935
On May 19 2013 06:31 obesechicken13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 06:26 beefhamburger wrote:
Dyrus I could understanding taking over Voy, but I'm having second thoughts on DL after thinking about it more. I used to think DL was the best choice and voted for him, but now I think I'd rather have Wildturtle, solely for the reason that DL is not very versatile in his champion pool. Not that he couldn't play said champ if he had to, but by playing for CLG he's forced to pick only a select few ADs which he's more practiced with. Yes, he can win with one of his main champs, but I think he'll need to pick up Varus +/- MF +/- more Trist if he is to be able to choose the absolute best champion vs. a certain team comp going into allstars. I hope he's practicing at least one of those during bootcamp.

DL sounds like a liability since in one of those interviews the allstars team said he was going ham in scrims.


The way DL(which I take with a grain of salt) talked about it in the interview, was that he can play alot more champions than most people have seen but CLG never let him.

He claims he can play: KogMaw, Ashe, Vayne, Urgot, Caitlyn, and Ezreal. Previously in S2 he has also played Sivir and Corki.
`Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
May 18 2013 22:08 GMT
#936
IMO any team without Fabby isn't NA allstars.
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
May 18 2013 22:09 GMT
#937
DL pulled out the Sivir during S3 pretty recently.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-18 22:15:11
May 18 2013 22:14 GMT
#938
Doublelift is the only NA ADC to have extensive play time against non NA team. I feel that any other ADC would have a very hard time playing out lane against mechanically superior bot lanes.
liftlift > tsm
Badboyrune
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden2247 Posts
May 18 2013 22:24 GMT
#939
On May 19 2013 06:47 IamPryda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 06:13 Badboyrune wrote:
On May 19 2013 06:04 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
On May 19 2013 00:44 Mensol wrote:
i heard Chinese fans saying that team China will beat NA in 15 minutes -_-

team NA will prove wrong a lot of people.

I BELIEVE

MY HOPES AND DREAMS ARE ON YOUR SHOULDERS NA

Honestly though NA has a SICK team and everything they say about "Oh yeah our own teams could beat this" is bullshit that they're saying because they don't want to trash talk their own team. Possibly the ONLY way to improve this team would be to put Chauster on support over Xpecial but Xpecial and DL have some sick synergy anyway from what I hear.


You'd really take Dyrus over voyboy?

Doesn't matter who tops for NA team because shy is really that much better


If that's the way to think about it NA team could have sent me as support.
"If yellow does start SC2, I should start handsomenerd diaper busniess and become a rich man" - John the Translator
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
May 18 2013 22:39 GMT
#940
?

more often than not there are lane swaps and the real test is the one solo lane which is usually mid, though occasionally you will see "top" laners match up against "mid" as well.

saying that shy beats dyrus straight up is kinda strange in this meta
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