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Looks like we're back to status quo. Hope more of you lurkers unburrow and talk with us. :3

If you have any issues or comments about the new design, feel free to PM Neo.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
May 18 2013 22:42 GMT
#941
I think it's kind of silly that you'd go to Shy as the be all end all when PDD is probably better than Shy.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
May 18 2013 22:45 GMT
#942
Yea if you were talking about Flame then sure he is the madlife of top lane currently.
Zato-1
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Chile4253 Posts
May 18 2013 22:48 GMT
#943
On May 19 2013 06:13 Badboyrune wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 06:04 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
On May 19 2013 00:44 Mensol wrote:
i heard Chinese fans saying that team China will beat NA in 15 minutes -_-

team NA will prove wrong a lot of people.

I BELIEVE

MY HOPES AND DREAMS ARE ON YOUR SHOULDERS NA

Honestly though NA has a SICK team and everything they say about "Oh yeah our own teams could beat this" is bullshit that they're saying because they don't want to trash talk their own team. Possibly the ONLY way to improve this team would be to put Chauster on support over Xpecial but Xpecial and DL have some sick synergy anyway from what I hear.


You'd really take Dyrus over voyboy?

I'd take Dyrus over Voyboy any day of the week.
Go here http://vina.biobiochile.cl/ and input the Konami Code (up up down down left right left right B A)
caelym
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6429 Posts
May 18 2013 22:55 GMT
#944
On May 19 2013 06:04 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Honestly though NA has a SICK team and everything they say about "Oh yeah our own teams could beat this" is bullshit that they're saying because they don't want to trash talk their own team. Possibly the ONLY way to improve this team would be to put Chauster on support over Xpecial but Xpecial and DL have some sick synergy anyway from what I hear.



I think you guys will be pleasantly surprised by NA's performance.
TheLink
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia2725 Posts
May 18 2013 23:00 GMT
#945
Was chatting to my brother about all 2nd places in the NA vote.

Reginald
Voyboy
Wildturtle
TheOddOne
Patoy

Looks like a stronger team than the current NA team to me. Shame its limited to only 3 members, TSM so much better than everyone else.
Only the weak link is strong enough to break the chain.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-18 23:04:02
May 18 2013 23:02 GMT
#946
On May 19 2013 08:00 TheLink wrote:
Looks like a stronger team than the current NA team to me. Shame its limited to only 3 members, TSM so much better than everyone else.

If we're sending complete teams then TSM would have a worse chance against WE/Gambit/TPA than the all-star team has against the respective regional all-star teams.

So it's a bit strange to say "shame its limited to only 3 members" because if you could vote 5 members from the same team, NA would get stomped silly, whereas with this format, they have more of a chance.
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overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
May 18 2013 23:26 GMT
#947
Regi's performance against international mids was really poor looking for all of S2. He basically just played Karthus and had a CS disadvantage every time or played anything but Karthus and got stomped. Granted, I don't think scarra will do much better but apparently scarra is just playing a support oriented mid lane and letting Dyrus/Doublelift/saint carry.

Voyboy is not better than Dyrus.

Turtle looks really good in NA LCS but I'm skeptical how well he'd do against top tier NA ADCs. His farming isn't better than Double's but his game sense is better and he's more aggressive than Double. I would argue that Turtle looks a lot better than he really is due to the fact that he's on the best team in NA but he's definitely really solid.

patoy is better than Xpecial.

OddOne is definitely not better than saint.

So yeah, support is really the only role where you could almost definitely say there is a stronger option out there. Regi on a good day looks better than scarra and while scarra can be inconsistent I personally think that mandatorycloud or even someone like LiNk might be better than them. Regi's never looked that great against international teams unless we're talking about 2011. Turtle might do better than Double but Double's had way more experience than him so that's really a toss up. I think saint+Dyrus swings it into favor of the current line up over the 2-3 positions that might be more solid if the second place NA players won.
caelym
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6429 Posts
May 18 2013 23:26 GMT
#948
The "second" NA team is a completely different team with vastly different team synergy and dynamics than the current one. There's no reasonable way to compare the two.
Lylat
Profile Joined August 2009
France8575 Posts
May 18 2013 23:26 GMT
#949
Everyone bashing on NA team but I think they can do pretty well, the weak link is clearly Scarra imo.. If DL plays at his best they have a chance.
On paper they look good but it's "funny" how all the members are on a slump, except the TSM ones lol
SagaZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
France3460 Posts
May 18 2013 23:57 GMT
#950
the anouncement rumor that nien is going to curse..
Curse has shown they are not afraid of changing players, but Cop looks consistent enought and hasn't done anything particulary bad lately...
But then again, Saint is practicing with doublelift for the all stars, so playing with a good AD might make him think about things
Be nice, buy wards and don't feed double buff.
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
May 19 2013 00:14 GMT
#951
Streaming now, probably gonna be spamming nami games.
http://www.twitch.tv/hiicantpk
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
Ghost-z
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1291 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-19 00:24:52
May 19 2013 00:23 GMT
#952
Does anyone know why www.twitch.tv will lag hardcore even on the lowest settings but when I go to bg.twitch.tv I can watch the same exact streams in HD with absolutely no lag???

Edit: just realized that this site isn't exactly in English but who cares if it means no lag.
Fairy Tales when you're a child begin with "Once upon a time" and when you're an adult begin, "If elected I promise..."
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
May 19 2013 00:31 GMT
#953
Dig picked up a UK team, could that be the "NA announcement" considering that Dig was NA-only in LoL till then?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
May 19 2013 00:33 GMT
#954
Sounds rather silly if that is the announcement since Dig isn't NA org anyway.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
May 19 2013 00:34 GMT
#955
The whole thing was kind of silly. Why would they pick up a UK amateur team when CW doesn't have a team backing them at the moment?
schmutttt
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia3856 Posts
May 19 2013 00:41 GMT
#956
On May 19 2013 09:31 Alaric wrote:
Dig picked up a UK team, could that be the "NA announcement" considering that Dig was NA-only in LoL till then?


I doubt it, nothing from slasher or travis on twitter. They specified change and picking up a new team isn't really a 'change'.
schmutttt
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia3856 Posts
May 19 2013 00:41 GMT
#957
On May 19 2013 08:26 overt wrote:
Regi's performance against international mids was really poor looking for all of S2. He basically just played Karthus and had a CS disadvantage every time or played anything but Karthus and got stomped. Granted, I don't think scarra will do much better but apparently scarra is just playing a support oriented mid lane and letting Dyrus/Doublelift/saint carry.

Voyboy is not better than Dyrus.

Turtle looks really good in NA LCS but I'm skeptical how well he'd do against top tier NA ADCs. His farming isn't better than Double's but his game sense is better and he's more aggressive than Double. I would argue that Turtle looks a lot better than he really is due to the fact that he's on the best team in NA but he's definitely really solid.

patoy is better than Xpecial.

OddOne is definitely not better than saint.

So yeah, support is really the only role where you could almost definitely say there is a stronger option out there. Regi on a good day looks better than scarra and while scarra can be inconsistent I personally think that mandatorycloud or even someone like LiNk might be better than them. Regi's never looked that great against international teams unless we're talking about 2011. Turtle might do better than Double but Double's had way more experience than him so that's really a toss up. I think saint+Dyrus swings it into favor of the current line up over the 2-3 positions that might be more solid if the second place NA players won.


Agree with this. I wish patoy was in all stars .
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
May 19 2013 00:43 GMT
#958
On May 19 2013 06:44 thenexusp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 04:38 TheYango wrote:
Outer Turrets have 152+4/min AD, with 30% Armor Pen
Melee Minions have 445+20/3 min HP and 0+2/3 min Armor
Ranged Minions have 280 +15/3 min HP and 0+1.25/min Armor

So at 0/3/6/9/12 minutes (ignoring the fact that Minion stats change at x:00 and Turret stats change at x:40):
Melee minions have 141/144/147/150/153 HP leftover after 2 tower hits
Ranged minions have 128/132/136/140/144 HP leftover after 2 tower hits

So Craton is right. It's 2+2 and 1+2 until you pass the relevant AD thresholds and after that your AD growth far outstrips the rate at which the threshold goes up.


Huh. I was pretty sure you don't need 141 AD to 2+1 the melee minions under tower at the start of the game ...

Speaking of, wasn't there a patch that decreased tower damage, but then gave the towers increased damage vs minions to compensate (so last-hitting wouldn't change)? Or was that just damage vs champions? It's actually somewhat hard to find a page that has all the patch notes from patches that affected turrets...


I KNEW IT

In patch 1.0.0.139:

Turret base damage reduced but armor penetration and damage to minions increased.

Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
May 19 2013 00:47 GMT
#959
Ugh hour+ long games are so tiring. 860 AP fiddlesticks, 900+AP annie, 700 AP TF, all with initiates that'll wreck teams.Only saving grace was blue ez doesn't scale into lategame as well as standard ADC graves.
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
May 19 2013 00:50 GMT
#960
So started on my new account, going through normals, and have a Skarner who says he wants to jungle. Again, remember, this is Level 1 League. He then proceeds to come down to bot lane, tells me to fight the turret, and then he runs straight into the turret, fighting it. He dies in three seconds, complains that the team's turret is OP, and then proceeds to die to the blue buff.

This is the best.
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