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Looks like we're back to status quo. Hope more of you lurkers unburrow and talk with us. :3

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Vlanitak
Profile Joined November 2009
Norway3045 Posts
June 09 2013 10:34 GMT
#6581
On June 09 2013 19:23 Amui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2013 19:14 Capped wrote:
On June 09 2013 19:06 Vlanitak wrote:
On June 09 2013 18:57 wei2coolman wrote:
Was reading Link's blog; makes pretty good point about role restrictions in pro-LoL right now.
Now that I think about it; could that be a key reason why Asian amateur players are very good and can be singled out very quickly? Don't the Asian clients have everything unlocked?

link here

The Korean client has all Champions unlocked, a 20% ip boost, IF you play from a PC Bang (LAN center), runes and skins still needs to be bought, and if you play from home champs aswell


Wow, really?

Thats actually a huge advantage for the scene as a whole.


Advantages of playing from home
-consistent settings and equipment
-Cheaper over long term

Advantages of PC bang
- lots of other players(very good chance that there are better players than you)
- every champion unlocked
- incentives
- very cheap in the short term(isn't KR PC bang extremely cheap, like under a dollar per hour including consumables?)
- environment. When you have all your friends with you, and you compete against people you know, it's easier to improve.

The price varies, it usually $1 per hour, and then consumables range form 80cents to $2ish. If you intend to sit there for more than 12 hours the price usually dips below $1 per hour, but you can save the time if you have an account so it isnt unusual to pay say $10 and get 12h.
Disadvantages:
There will be smokers there, and you will smell/feel it even if you sit in a nonsmoker setting. If this wasnt the case Id probably never have bought my own pc here
washed
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22057 Posts
June 09 2013 10:36 GMT
#6582
People can say all they want about pc pangs or team houses or whatever but in the end it comes down to the players. When NA wants to train for a tournament they do SoloQ for 2 weeks. When Korea wants to train they scrim the best teams they can find and they play serious.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
June 09 2013 10:45 GMT
#6583
i feel like that's pretty exaggerated/misinformed
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
June 09 2013 10:47 GMT
#6584
On June 09 2013 19:36 Gorsameth wrote:
People can say all they want about pc pangs or team houses or whatever but in the end it comes down to the players. When NA wants to train for a tournament they do SoloQ for 2 weeks. When Korea wants to train they scrim the best teams they can find and they play serious.

They are all in one city, the infrastructure is there, they have coaches AND analysts, the pressure to perform is huge because there are always Koreans who are just or almost as good as you to replace you, you have the pressure of needing to perform because you don't want to shame your family because you're playing games while literally everyone else is studying, etc.
But this has been talked to death already. Anyway, NA teams have been consistently scrimming at least 4 hours (up to 8-10) every day now. The notion that they play SoloQ to train for tournaments is no longer true.
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-09 11:52:45
June 09 2013 11:47 GMT
#6585
The CLG documentary is so funny. The amount of bullshit some CLG member are spouting is just awesome (lose to round of 8, losing to both AZF and CLG.eu and state they are the "silver medals" and it's hard...), and then they lose most of their games.
Seems like the documentary, despite all the time it made to make it, is unfinished : there are nothing about CLG.eu, nothing about locodoco...
The music is good tho.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
June 09 2013 11:52 GMT
#6586
why people say elise late game is bad? i pick 6item elise over majority of 6 item bruisers any day
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
June 09 2013 11:53 GMT
#6587
On June 09 2013 19:34 Vlanitak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2013 19:23 Amui wrote:
On June 09 2013 19:14 Capped wrote:
On June 09 2013 19:06 Vlanitak wrote:
On June 09 2013 18:57 wei2coolman wrote:
Was reading Link's blog; makes pretty good point about role restrictions in pro-LoL right now.
Now that I think about it; could that be a key reason why Asian amateur players are very good and can be singled out very quickly? Don't the Asian clients have everything unlocked?

link here

The Korean client has all Champions unlocked, a 20% ip boost, IF you play from a PC Bang (LAN center), runes and skins still needs to be bought, and if you play from home champs aswell


Wow, really?

Thats actually a huge advantage for the scene as a whole.


Advantages of playing from home
-consistent settings and equipment
-Cheaper over long term

Advantages of PC bang
- lots of other players(very good chance that there are better players than you)
- every champion unlocked
- incentives
- very cheap in the short term(isn't KR PC bang extremely cheap, like under a dollar per hour including consumables?)
- environment. When you have all your friends with you, and you compete against people you know, it's easier to improve.

The price varies, it usually $1 per hour, and then consumables range form 80cents to $2ish. If you intend to sit there for more than 12 hours the price usually dips below $1 per hour, but you can save the time if you have an account so it isnt unusual to pay say $10 and get 12h.
Disadvantages:
There will be smokers there, and you will smell/feel it even if you sit in a nonsmoker setting. If this wasnt the case Id probably never have bought my own pc here


- lots of other players(very good chance that there are better players than you)
does not matter because they are all playing on the same server. It is not a pc bang advantage


About smoking I think since yesterday there is a law that forbids smoking in pcbang. At least my pcbang had a notice about the law.
WriterFollow me @TL_Chexx
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
June 09 2013 11:54 GMT
#6588
On June 09 2013 19:47 OutlaW- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2013 19:36 Gorsameth wrote:
People can say all they want about pc pangs or team houses or whatever but in the end it comes down to the players. When NA wants to train for a tournament they do SoloQ for 2 weeks. When Korea wants to train they scrim the best teams they can find and they play serious.

They are all in one city, the infrastructure is there, they have coaches AND analysts, the pressure to perform is huge because there are always Koreans who are just or almost as good as you to replace you, you have the pressure of needing to perform because you don't want to shame your family because you're playing games while literally everyone else is studying, etc.
But this has been talked to death already. Anyway, NA teams have been consistently scrimming at least 4 hours (up to 8-10) every day now. The notion that they play SoloQ to train for tournaments is no longer true.


It is a progamer mentality issue and they dont know how to train properly. In addition of missing coaches who can kick player out of a team.
WriterFollow me @TL_Chexx
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
June 09 2013 11:59 GMT
#6589
While the documentary was a decent watch, the lack of interviews with former members like Kobe, Saint, Elementz was kinda sad. Also i know ipl apparently didnt provide footage but not even mentioning that our brudda loco was part of the roster lol...especially interesting imo because they tries to bring in a guy thats trained under the "korean system".

Infact this wasn't THE documentary because judging from all the interviews ( 2xlift sporting allstars jacket) this was probably all done in the last 2-3 weeks With machinimavs. The original trailers looked way better.

Imo the only really interesting thing was that own3d owns dbl 20k and the convo after losing at worlds.

Chauster's statements are hilarious, hilariously bad.
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-09 12:09:34
June 09 2013 12:09 GMT
#6590
On June 09 2013 20:59 AsnSensation wrote:
While the documentary was a decent watch, the lack of interviews with former members like Kobe, Saint, Elementz was kinda sad. Also i know ipl apparently didnt provide footage but not even mentioning that our brudda loco was part of the roster lol...especially interesting imo because they tries to bring in a guy thats trained under the "korean system".

Infact this wasn't THE documentary because judging from all the interviews ( 2xlift sporting allstars jacket) this was probably all done in the last 2-3 weeks With machinimavs. The original trailers looked way better.

Imo the only really interesting thing was that own3d owns dbl 20k and the convo after losing at worlds.

Chauster's statements are hilarious, hilariously bad.

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I guess they didn't want to show their failure too much, and probably didn't want so much footage to be focused on players that have since left or been kicked from the team.
I still think kicking Saint was their dumbest decision. They should have sticked with Voy, too.
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
June 09 2013 12:12 GMT
#6591
"Next Ultimate skin is not Freljord related"

so its not udyr, my bet is still on Rumble.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
Nafaltar
Profile Joined May 2008
Germany302 Posts
June 09 2013 12:15 GMT
#6592
On June 09 2013 20:52 kongoline wrote:
why people say elise late game is bad? i pick 6item elise over majority of 6 item bruisers any day


While she remains one of the best duellers late game, she does taper of in team fights compared to most bruisers. She is very susceptible to roots, doesn't get near as tanky as other tanky chars if you go that route and if you go heavy AP you have a weak ranged spell arsenal but still need to stay out of the fight a fair bit. That said she can be solid in say a Poke comp if the enemy team has limited team initiation, or in general if the enemy team has an assassin. Its why she has a fairly low win rate imho: at lower skill levels people don't know how to close out games and at very high skill levels people can typically avoid feeding her to much early.

All that said her early laning and jungling is so dominant that you should hit your items and levels long before your opponents in solo qeue.
Gaslo
Profile Joined February 2011
Finland951 Posts
June 09 2013 12:17 GMT
#6593
On June 09 2013 19:36 Gorsameth wrote:
People can say all they want about pc pangs or team houses or whatever but in the end it comes down to the players. When NA wants to train for a tournament they do SoloQ for 2 weeks. When Korea wants to train they scrim the best teams they can find and they play serious.


Why are people still repeating this BS? Like this lie circulates around LOL-forums so much its starting to piss me off. Of course there is a hint of truth there, but still...
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
June 09 2013 12:17 GMT
#6594
Elise with Liandries can two-champ Baron so fast. All that % hp damage is ridic.
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
June 09 2013 12:19 GMT
#6595
On June 09 2013 21:12 Mensol wrote:
"Next Ultimate skin is not Freljord related"

so its not udyr, my bet is still on Rumble.


wait maybe I'm dumb but how is udyr related to freljord
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
June 09 2013 12:20 GMT
#6596
On June 09 2013 21:19 AsnSensation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2013 21:12 Mensol wrote:
"Next Ultimate skin is not Freljord related"

so its not udyr, my bet is still on Rumble.


wait maybe I'm dumb but how is udyr related to freljord

They ret-conned his lore.

http://promo.leagueoflegends.com/en/freljord/
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
June 09 2013 12:34 GMT
#6597
On June 09 2013 21:19 AsnSensation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2013 21:12 Mensol wrote:
"Next Ultimate skin is not Freljord related"

so its not udyr, my bet is still on Rumble.


wait maybe I'm dumb but how is udyr related to freljord


they change lore like underwear these days.
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
June 09 2013 12:38 GMT
#6598
On June 09 2013 21:17 MoonBear wrote:
Elise with Liandries can two-champ Baron so fast. All that % hp damage is ridic.


AP Elise soloing baron with no resistance items is the most hilarious thing ever. At least in my opinion.
TheLink
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia2725 Posts
June 09 2013 12:51 GMT
#6599
On June 09 2013 21:17 Gaslo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2013 19:36 Gorsameth wrote:
People can say all they want about pc pangs or team houses or whatever but in the end it comes down to the players. When NA wants to train for a tournament they do SoloQ for 2 weeks. When Korea wants to train they scrim the best teams they can find and they play serious.


Why are people still repeating this BS? Like this lie circulates around LOL-forums so much its starting to piss me off. Of course there is a hint of truth there, but still...


Agreed. There were next to zero prostreams during the last few weeks of LCS. Do you know why? all too busy scrimming instead of solo-queuing. I can remember an Elementz interview somewhere where he said they scrim 10-12 hours a day or so in the weeks leading up to major events.

But hey, I'm sure the fact they say yolo or worth occasionally says everything you need to know about their personality and work ethic. >_<
Only the weak link is strong enough to break the chain.
Badboyrune
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden2247 Posts
June 09 2013 13:02 GMT
#6600
On June 09 2013 21:51 TheLink wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2013 21:17 Gaslo wrote:
On June 09 2013 19:36 Gorsameth wrote:
People can say all they want about pc pangs or team houses or whatever but in the end it comes down to the players. When NA wants to train for a tournament they do SoloQ for 2 weeks. When Korea wants to train they scrim the best teams they can find and they play serious.


Why are people still repeating this BS? Like this lie circulates around LOL-forums so much its starting to piss me off. Of course there is a hint of truth there, but still...


Agreed. There were next to zero prostreams during the last few weeks of LCS. Do you know why? all too busy scrimming instead of solo-queuing. I can remember an Elementz interview somewhere where he said they scrim 10-12 hours a day or so in the weeks leading up to major events.

But hey, I'm sure the fact they say yolo or worth occasionally says everything you need to know about their personality and work ethic. >_<


Yes as long as they trained hard during the last few weeks of LCS that clearly means they've reached the work ethics of the Korean pro scene
"If yellow does start SC2, I should start handsomenerd diaper busniess and become a rich man" - John the Translator
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