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Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
December 31 2012 23:52 GMT
#4601
On January 01 2013 08:34 nojitosunrise wrote:
Teams revealed for S3 NA qualifier this weekend
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/15qu4k/s3_path_to_pro_information/


I like they left all Matt Marcou's info including Skype in there, lol. In before Matt get's ddos'd.
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
beefhamburger
Profile Joined December 2007
United States3962 Posts
December 31 2012 23:58 GMT
#4602
Aphro going 0/0/11 in scrim vs. TD, already worlds better than Loco XD.
Ares[Effort] *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
DEMACIA6550 Posts
January 01 2013 00:09 GMT
#4603
Aphro not talking or what?
Moderatorgold coin
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22125 Posts
January 01 2013 00:09 GMT
#4604
more like why isnt Aphro streaming.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35172 Posts
January 01 2013 00:15 GMT
#4605
On January 01 2013 08:34 nojitosunrise wrote:
Teams revealed for S3 NA qualifier this weekend
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/15qu4k/s3_path_to_pro_information/

Go EG!
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
January 01 2013 00:24 GMT
#4606
Dlift said he's sick so he's not talking a lot.
hacpee
Profile Joined November 2007
United States752 Posts
January 01 2013 00:41 GMT
#4607

The fact that we're here discussing this means that the people we're talking about aren't really casual - I wouldn't consider people who make an effort to talk about the professional LoL scene here on TL to be "casuals" in the sense that people who only play the game and watch tournaments when it gets linked in-client are casuals.


You're speaking in absolutes. If you're on TL, you aren't a casual follower. I'm on TL right now, have been since 2007. I'm a casual follower of LoL. I don't even know that CJ Entus had a B team and I don't want to make an effort into finding out who they are.
r
If you're here on TL, or even Reddit, and complaining about "faceless Koreans," that is 100% a case of the willful ignorance that Yango is talking about. You're already making an effort to follow the proscene, but you're arbitrarily limiting yourself from looking into the Asian scene until they show up at worlds and stomp white people.

There is an attitude at TL that I don't like, which is blaming the fans. Right now, you're blaming the fans like me for not putting more time or effort into doing research. Well I need to fill you in on something. Following Esports is not a job for me, nor is it homework. Its a form of entertainment. I don't want to or care to put extra effort into consuming the content. I don't want to stay up late at night to watch tournaments held hallway across the world, or pay whatever amount of money I need to pay in order to watch vods.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14104 Posts
January 01 2013 00:42 GMT
#4608
I don't know man but I'm really hoping for and cheering for fxo to somehow sneak into s3 on their first try. The na scene is really open especially after the top 3 or so and from what I've seen so far I don't think it would be that crazy to see them steal a few games off of teams and make it their breakout event.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-01 00:44:46
January 01 2013 00:44 GMT
#4609
On January 01 2013 09:41 hacpee wrote:
Show nested quote +

The fact that we're here discussing this means that the people we're talking about aren't really casual - I wouldn't consider people who make an effort to talk about the professional LoL scene here on TL to be "casuals" in the sense that people who only play the game and watch tournaments when it gets linked in-client are casuals.


You're speaking in absolutes. If you're on TL, you aren't a casual follower. I'm on TL right now, have been since 2007. I'm a casual follower of LoL. I don't even know that CJ Entus had a B team and I don't want to make an effort into finding out who they are.
Show nested quote +
r
If you're here on TL, or even Reddit, and complaining about "faceless Koreans," that is 100% a case of the willful ignorance that Yango is talking about. You're already making an effort to follow the proscene, but you're arbitrarily limiting yourself from looking into the Asian scene until they show up at worlds and stomp white people.

There is an attitude at TL that I don't like, which is blaming the fans. Right now, you're blaming the fans like me for not putting more time or effort into doing research. Well I need to fill you in on something. Following Esports is not a job for me, nor is it homework. Its a form of entertainment. I don't want to or care to put extra effort into consuming the content. I don't want to stay up late at night to watch tournaments held hallway across the world, or pay whatever amount of money I need to pay in order to watch vods.


And you're free to do that.

The reverse, though, also applies. It's a two-way street.

I don't care if you don't want to make following ESPORTs a job, but don't cry about it when you're willfully -choosing- not to learn more. I'm not blaming you, but you need to not blame the teams for not spoon feeding you information about them, then turn around and talk about faceless Koreans when you've made zero effort.
TranslatorBaa!
hacpee
Profile Joined November 2007
United States752 Posts
January 01 2013 00:48 GMT
#4610
On January 01 2013 09:44 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2013 09:41 hacpee wrote:

The fact that we're here discussing this means that the people we're talking about aren't really casual - I wouldn't consider people who make an effort to talk about the professional LoL scene here on TL to be "casuals" in the sense that people who only play the game and watch tournaments when it gets linked in-client are casuals.


You're speaking in absolutes. If you're on TL, you aren't a casual follower. I'm on TL right now, have been since 2007. I'm a casual follower of LoL. I don't even know that CJ Entus had a B team and I don't want to make an effort into finding out who they are.
r
If you're here on TL, or even Reddit, and complaining about "faceless Koreans," that is 100% a case of the willful ignorance that Yango is talking about. You're already making an effort to follow the proscene, but you're arbitrarily limiting yourself from looking into the Asian scene until they show up at worlds and stomp white people.

There is an attitude at TL that I don't like, which is blaming the fans. Right now, you're blaming the fans like me for not putting more time or effort into doing research. Well I need to fill you in on something. Following Esports is not a job for me, nor is it homework. Its a form of entertainment. I don't want to or care to put extra effort into consuming the content. I don't want to stay up late at night to watch tournaments held hallway across the world, or pay whatever amount of money I need to pay in order to watch vods.


And you're free to do that.

The reverse, though, also applies. It's a two-way street.

I don't care if you don't want to make following ESPORTs a job, but don't cry about it when you're willfully -choosing- not to learn more. I'm not blaming you, but you need to not blame the teams for not spoon feeding you information about them, then turn around and talk about faceless Koreans when you've made zero effort.


And that attitude is why SC2 is less popular than LoL.
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-01 00:52:56
January 01 2013 00:49 GMT
#4611
On January 01 2013 09:48 hacpee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2013 09:44 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On January 01 2013 09:41 hacpee wrote:

The fact that we're here discussing this means that the people we're talking about aren't really casual - I wouldn't consider people who make an effort to talk about the professional LoL scene here on TL to be "casuals" in the sense that people who only play the game and watch tournaments when it gets linked in-client are casuals.


You're speaking in absolutes. If you're on TL, you aren't a casual follower. I'm on TL right now, have been since 2007. I'm a casual follower of LoL. I don't even know that CJ Entus had a B team and I don't want to make an effort into finding out who they are.
r
If you're here on TL, or even Reddit, and complaining about "faceless Koreans," that is 100% a case of the willful ignorance that Yango is talking about. You're already making an effort to follow the proscene, but you're arbitrarily limiting yourself from looking into the Asian scene until they show up at worlds and stomp white people.

There is an attitude at TL that I don't like, which is blaming the fans. Right now, you're blaming the fans like me for not putting more time or effort into doing research. Well I need to fill you in on something. Following Esports is not a job for me, nor is it homework. Its a form of entertainment. I don't want to or care to put extra effort into consuming the content. I don't want to stay up late at night to watch tournaments held hallway across the world, or pay whatever amount of money I need to pay in order to watch vods.


And you're free to do that.

The reverse, though, also applies. It's a two-way street.

I don't care if you don't want to make following ESPORTs a job, but don't cry about it when you're willfully -choosing- not to learn more. I'm not blaming you, but you need to not blame the teams for not spoon feeding you information about them, then turn around and talk about faceless Koreans when you've made zero effort.


And that attitude is why SC2 is less popular than LoL.


lol u think i follow/like/support sc2

sc2 is less popular than lol cause it's a shit game, has absolutely nothign to do with the attitudes of a few hundred people on some random forum

your argument is also inane since sc2 teams/players have much closer relations to the foreign scene compared to league, both from international tournament attendance and koreans on foreign teams

league is much more insular from a korean (chinese) vs. na/eu perspective
TranslatorBaa!
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
January 01 2013 00:54 GMT
#4612
On January 01 2013 09:49 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2013 09:48 hacpee wrote:
On January 01 2013 09:44 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On January 01 2013 09:41 hacpee wrote:

The fact that we're here discussing this means that the people we're talking about aren't really casual - I wouldn't consider people who make an effort to talk about the professional LoL scene here on TL to be "casuals" in the sense that people who only play the game and watch tournaments when it gets linked in-client are casuals.


You're speaking in absolutes. If you're on TL, you aren't a casual follower. I'm on TL right now, have been since 2007. I'm a casual follower of LoL. I don't even know that CJ Entus had a B team and I don't want to make an effort into finding out who they are.
r
If you're here on TL, or even Reddit, and complaining about "faceless Koreans," that is 100% a case of the willful ignorance that Yango is talking about. You're already making an effort to follow the proscene, but you're arbitrarily limiting yourself from looking into the Asian scene until they show up at worlds and stomp white people.

There is an attitude at TL that I don't like, which is blaming the fans. Right now, you're blaming the fans like me for not putting more time or effort into doing research. Well I need to fill you in on something. Following Esports is not a job for me, nor is it homework. Its a form of entertainment. I don't want to or care to put extra effort into consuming the content. I don't want to stay up late at night to watch tournaments held hallway across the world, or pay whatever amount of money I need to pay in order to watch vods.


And you're free to do that.

The reverse, though, also applies. It's a two-way street.

I don't care if you don't want to make following ESPORTs a job, but don't cry about it when you're willfully -choosing- not to learn more. I'm not blaming you, but you need to not blame the teams for not spoon feeding you information about them, then turn around and talk about faceless Koreans when you've made zero effort.


And that attitude is why SC2 is less popular than LoL.


lol u think i follow/like/support sc2

sc2 is less popular than lol cause it's a shit game, has absolutely nothign to do with the attitudes of a few hundred people on some random forum

your argument is also inane since sc2 teams/players have much closer relations to the foreign scene compared to league, both from international tournament attendance and koreans on foreign teams


yo watch out ma nigga i got noct ulted once for this, although my post was misinterpreted

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WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
January 01 2013 00:55 GMT
#4613
On January 01 2013 09:49 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2013 09:48 hacpee wrote:
On January 01 2013 09:44 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On January 01 2013 09:41 hacpee wrote:

The fact that we're here discussing this means that the people we're talking about aren't really casual - I wouldn't consider people who make an effort to talk about the professional LoL scene here on TL to be "casuals" in the sense that people who only play the game and watch tournaments when it gets linked in-client are casuals.


You're speaking in absolutes. If you're on TL, you aren't a casual follower. I'm on TL right now, have been since 2007. I'm a casual follower of LoL. I don't even know that CJ Entus had a B team and I don't want to make an effort into finding out who they are.
r
If you're here on TL, or even Reddit, and complaining about "faceless Koreans," that is 100% a case of the willful ignorance that Yango is talking about. You're already making an effort to follow the proscene, but you're arbitrarily limiting yourself from looking into the Asian scene until they show up at worlds and stomp white people.

There is an attitude at TL that I don't like, which is blaming the fans. Right now, you're blaming the fans like me for not putting more time or effort into doing research. Well I need to fill you in on something. Following Esports is not a job for me, nor is it homework. Its a form of entertainment. I don't want to or care to put extra effort into consuming the content. I don't want to stay up late at night to watch tournaments held hallway across the world, or pay whatever amount of money I need to pay in order to watch vods.


And you're free to do that.

The reverse, though, also applies. It's a two-way street.

I don't care if you don't want to make following ESPORTs a job, but don't cry about it when you're willfully -choosing- not to learn more. I'm not blaming you, but you need to not blame the teams for not spoon feeding you information about them, then turn around and talk about faceless Koreans when you've made zero effort.


And that attitude is why SC2 is less popular than LoL.


lol u think i follow/like/support sc2

sc2 is less popular than lol cause it's a shit game, has absolutely nothign to do with the attitudes of a few hundred people on some random forum

How do you explain that maknoon is more known and followed than Toyz or Rapidstar ? Because he speaks up. Players also need to make or do something to push people into being curious about them..
You cannot go all hipster and wait for people to grow an interest out of thin air.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
hacpee
Profile Joined November 2007
United States752 Posts
January 01 2013 00:55 GMT
#4614
On January 01 2013 09:49 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2013 09:48 hacpee wrote:
On January 01 2013 09:44 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On January 01 2013 09:41 hacpee wrote:

The fact that we're here discussing this means that the people we're talking about aren't really casual - I wouldn't consider people who make an effort to talk about the professional LoL scene here on TL to be "casuals" in the sense that people who only play the game and watch tournaments when it gets linked in-client are casuals.


You're speaking in absolutes. If you're on TL, you aren't a casual follower. I'm on TL right now, have been since 2007. I'm a casual follower of LoL. I don't even know that CJ Entus had a B team and I don't want to make an effort into finding out who they are.
r
If you're here on TL, or even Reddit, and complaining about "faceless Koreans," that is 100% a case of the willful ignorance that Yango is talking about. You're already making an effort to follow the proscene, but you're arbitrarily limiting yourself from looking into the Asian scene until they show up at worlds and stomp white people.

There is an attitude at TL that I don't like, which is blaming the fans. Right now, you're blaming the fans like me for not putting more time or effort into doing research. Well I need to fill you in on something. Following Esports is not a job for me, nor is it homework. Its a form of entertainment. I don't want to or care to put extra effort into consuming the content. I don't want to stay up late at night to watch tournaments held hallway across the world, or pay whatever amount of money I need to pay in order to watch vods.


And you're free to do that.

The reverse, though, also applies. It's a two-way street.

I don't care if you don't want to make following ESPORTs a job, but don't cry about it when you're willfully -choosing- not to learn more. I'm not blaming you, but you need to not blame the teams for not spoon feeding you information about them, then turn around and talk about faceless Koreans when you've made zero effort.


And that attitude is why SC2 is less popular than LoL.


lol u think i follow/like/support sc2

sc2 is less popular than lol cause it's a shit game, has absolutely nothign to do with the attitudes of a few hundred people on some random forum


No, I don't care if you support SC2, but that specific attitude is why SC2 fails to attract a many fans. I find that people heavily involved in SC2 are condescending towards fans, and that condescending attitude drives people away. I got into LoL because people I watched catered to fans and made the content easy to consume. It was an inviting atmosphere. Now look at the tone in which you responded to my post. Tell me that wasn't condescending.
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
January 01 2013 00:59 GMT
#4615
Epic game between CLG and TD.

Kha'Zix is too strong though.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
January 01 2013 01:00 GMT
#4616
On January 01 2013 09:55 WhiteDog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2013 09:49 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On January 01 2013 09:48 hacpee wrote:
On January 01 2013 09:44 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On January 01 2013 09:41 hacpee wrote:

The fact that we're here discussing this means that the people we're talking about aren't really casual - I wouldn't consider people who make an effort to talk about the professional LoL scene here on TL to be "casuals" in the sense that people who only play the game and watch tournaments when it gets linked in-client are casuals.


You're speaking in absolutes. If you're on TL, you aren't a casual follower. I'm on TL right now, have been since 2007. I'm a casual follower of LoL. I don't even know that CJ Entus had a B team and I don't want to make an effort into finding out who they are.
r
If you're here on TL, or even Reddit, and complaining about "faceless Koreans," that is 100% a case of the willful ignorance that Yango is talking about. You're already making an effort to follow the proscene, but you're arbitrarily limiting yourself from looking into the Asian scene until they show up at worlds and stomp white people.

There is an attitude at TL that I don't like, which is blaming the fans. Right now, you're blaming the fans like me for not putting more time or effort into doing research. Well I need to fill you in on something. Following Esports is not a job for me, nor is it homework. Its a form of entertainment. I don't want to or care to put extra effort into consuming the content. I don't want to stay up late at night to watch tournaments held hallway across the world, or pay whatever amount of money I need to pay in order to watch vods.


And you're free to do that.

The reverse, though, also applies. It's a two-way street.

I don't care if you don't want to make following ESPORTs a job, but don't cry about it when you're willfully -choosing- not to learn more. I'm not blaming you, but you need to not blame the teams for not spoon feeding you information about them, then turn around and talk about faceless Koreans when you've made zero effort.


And that attitude is why SC2 is less popular than LoL.


lol u think i follow/like/support sc2

sc2 is less popular than lol cause it's a shit game, has absolutely nothign to do with the attitudes of a few hundred people on some random forum

How do you explain that maknoon is more known and followed than Toyz or Rapidstar ? Because he speaks up. Players also need to make or do something to push people into being curious about them..
You cannot go all hipster and wait for people to grow an interest out of thin air.


I am not disagreeing with you, but ever since WC Toyz's stream consistently have 15k+ viewers. Being good at the game does bring you popularity no matter how much of a "robot" you are (which btw, he is not).
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-01 01:02:49
January 01 2013 01:01 GMT
#4617
On January 01 2013 09:55 WhiteDog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2013 09:49 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On January 01 2013 09:48 hacpee wrote:
On January 01 2013 09:44 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On January 01 2013 09:41 hacpee wrote:

The fact that we're here discussing this means that the people we're talking about aren't really casual - I wouldn't consider people who make an effort to talk about the professional LoL scene here on TL to be "casuals" in the sense that people who only play the game and watch tournaments when it gets linked in-client are casuals.


You're speaking in absolutes. If you're on TL, you aren't a casual follower. I'm on TL right now, have been since 2007. I'm a casual follower of LoL. I don't even know that CJ Entus had a B team and I don't want to make an effort into finding out who they are.
r
If you're here on TL, or even Reddit, and complaining about "faceless Koreans," that is 100% a case of the willful ignorance that Yango is talking about. You're already making an effort to follow the proscene, but you're arbitrarily limiting yourself from looking into the Asian scene until they show up at worlds and stomp white people.

There is an attitude at TL that I don't like, which is blaming the fans. Right now, you're blaming the fans like me for not putting more time or effort into doing research. Well I need to fill you in on something. Following Esports is not a job for me, nor is it homework. Its a form of entertainment. I don't want to or care to put extra effort into consuming the content. I don't want to stay up late at night to watch tournaments held hallway across the world, or pay whatever amount of money I need to pay in order to watch vods.


And you're free to do that.

The reverse, though, also applies. It's a two-way street.

I don't care if you don't want to make following ESPORTs a job, but don't cry about it when you're willfully -choosing- not to learn more. I'm not blaming you, but you need to not blame the teams for not spoon feeding you information about them, then turn around and talk about faceless Koreans when you've made zero effort.


And that attitude is why SC2 is less popular than LoL.


lol u think i follow/like/support sc2

sc2 is less popular than lol cause it's a shit game, has absolutely nothign to do with the attitudes of a few hundred people on some random forum

How do you explain that maknoon is more known and followed than Toyz or Rapidstar ? Because he speaks up. Players also need to make or do something to push people into being curious about them..
You cannot go all hipster and wait for people to grow an interest out of thin air.


On January 01 2013 09:55 WhiteDog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2013 09:49 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On January 01 2013 09:48 hacpee wrote:
On January 01 2013 09:44 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On January 01 2013 09:41 hacpee wrote:

The fact that we're here discussing this means that the people we're talking about aren't really casual - I wouldn't consider people who make an effort to talk about the professional LoL scene here on TL to be "casuals" in the sense that people who only play the game and watch tournaments when it gets linked in-client are casuals.


You're speaking in absolutes. If you're on TL, you aren't a casual follower. I'm on TL right now, have been since 2007. I'm a casual follower of LoL. I don't even know that CJ Entus had a B team and I don't want to make an effort into finding out who they are.
r
If you're here on TL, or even Reddit, and complaining about "faceless Koreans," that is 100% a case of the willful ignorance that Yango is talking about. You're already making an effort to follow the proscene, but you're arbitrarily limiting yourself from looking into the Asian scene until they show up at worlds and stomp white people.

There is an attitude at TL that I don't like, which is blaming the fans. Right now, you're blaming the fans like me for not putting more time or effort into doing research. Well I need to fill you in on something. Following Esports is not a job for me, nor is it homework. Its a form of entertainment. I don't want to or care to put extra effort into consuming the content. I don't want to stay up late at night to watch tournaments held hallway across the world, or pay whatever amount of money I need to pay in order to watch vods.


And you're free to do that.

The reverse, though, also applies. It's a two-way street.

I don't care if you don't want to make following ESPORTs a job, but don't cry about it when you're willfully -choosing- not to learn more. I'm not blaming you, but you need to not blame the teams for not spoon feeding you information about them, then turn around and talk about faceless Koreans when you've made zero effort.


And that attitude is why SC2 is less popular than LoL.


lol u think i follow/like/support sc2

sc2 is less popular than lol cause it's a shit game, has absolutely nothign to do with the attitudes of a few hundred people on some random forum

How do you explain that maknoon is more known and followed than Toyz or Rapidstar ? Because he speaks up. Players also need to make or do something to push people into being curious about them..
You cannot go all hipster and wait for people to grow an interest out of thin air.


1. Toyz and Rapidstar, to be honest, don't care -that- much about NA/EU fans. they have thriving scenes back home that pay their living, the foreign fans are just a bonus. Also Toyz's stream numbers aren't exactly low, in fact I'm sure he's at the top of the charts in terms of consistent stream viewers (consistent five digits). Rapidstar might be a notch behind, but I might go as far to say that Toyz is more popular/well-known than Maknoon, despite not speaking any English on stream and not interacting with audience at all.

2. You're not growing interest out of thin air. You already watch tournaments/follow the competitive scene at least some what. Hell, you already know who these people are. It's not thin air. It's "I know there's Koreans but I don't want to learn about them and then I'm gonna complain" that's silly.

3. This "community" is also incredibly fickle (due in part to its large size). Maknoon may seem close and dear to our hearts right now, but a couple months later when it's not the same group of people who were around when Maknoon was interacting with people who are dominating the Reddit userbase or w\e, it's going to be "Maknoon-who?" all over again. It's not really worth it to kill yourself trying to establish an image with a foreign audience when your home audience is just fine.

I'm not saying that Asians should all hide in a cave until international tournaments come around, but I think it's incredibly egotistical of foreign fans to think that everything has to revolve around them, and that Asians have to cater to NA/EU people over their own audiences.
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
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January 01 2013 01:01 GMT
#4618
On January 01 2013 09:55 WhiteDog wrote:
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On January 01 2013 09:49 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On January 01 2013 09:48 hacpee wrote:
On January 01 2013 09:44 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On January 01 2013 09:41 hacpee wrote:

The fact that we're here discussing this means that the people we're talking about aren't really casual - I wouldn't consider people who make an effort to talk about the professional LoL scene here on TL to be "casuals" in the sense that people who only play the game and watch tournaments when it gets linked in-client are casuals.


You're speaking in absolutes. If you're on TL, you aren't a casual follower. I'm on TL right now, have been since 2007. I'm a casual follower of LoL. I don't even know that CJ Entus had a B team and I don't want to make an effort into finding out who they are.
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If you're here on TL, or even Reddit, and complaining about "faceless Koreans," that is 100% a case of the willful ignorance that Yango is talking about. You're already making an effort to follow the proscene, but you're arbitrarily limiting yourself from looking into the Asian scene until they show up at worlds and stomp white people.

There is an attitude at TL that I don't like, which is blaming the fans. Right now, you're blaming the fans like me for not putting more time or effort into doing research. Well I need to fill you in on something. Following Esports is not a job for me, nor is it homework. Its a form of entertainment. I don't want to or care to put extra effort into consuming the content. I don't want to stay up late at night to watch tournaments held hallway across the world, or pay whatever amount of money I need to pay in order to watch vods.


And you're free to do that.

The reverse, though, also applies. It's a two-way street.

I don't care if you don't want to make following ESPORTs a job, but don't cry about it when you're willfully -choosing- not to learn more. I'm not blaming you, but you need to not blame the teams for not spoon feeding you information about them, then turn around and talk about faceless Koreans when you've made zero effort.


And that attitude is why SC2 is less popular than LoL.


lol u think i follow/like/support sc2

sc2 is less popular than lol cause it's a shit game, has absolutely nothign to do with the attitudes of a few hundred people on some random forum

How do you explain that maknoon is more known and followed than Toyz or Rapidstar ? Because he speaks up. Players also need to make or do something to push people into being curious about them..
You cannot go all hipster and wait for people to grow an interest out of thin air.

I honestly don't think maknoon is any more or less known than either toyz or rapidstar because honestly if you know one then you know the others.

Only possible reason maknoon MIGHT be more popular is because he was high elo on NA server before he moved to KR server.
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Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
January 01 2013 01:02 GMT
#4619
On January 01 2013 09:55 hacpee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2013 09:49 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On January 01 2013 09:48 hacpee wrote:
On January 01 2013 09:44 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On January 01 2013 09:41 hacpee wrote:

The fact that we're here discussing this means that the people we're talking about aren't really casual - I wouldn't consider people who make an effort to talk about the professional LoL scene here on TL to be "casuals" in the sense that people who only play the game and watch tournaments when it gets linked in-client are casuals.


You're speaking in absolutes. If you're on TL, you aren't a casual follower. I'm on TL right now, have been since 2007. I'm a casual follower of LoL. I don't even know that CJ Entus had a B team and I don't want to make an effort into finding out who they are.
r
If you're here on TL, or even Reddit, and complaining about "faceless Koreans," that is 100% a case of the willful ignorance that Yango is talking about. You're already making an effort to follow the proscene, but you're arbitrarily limiting yourself from looking into the Asian scene until they show up at worlds and stomp white people.

There is an attitude at TL that I don't like, which is blaming the fans. Right now, you're blaming the fans like me for not putting more time or effort into doing research. Well I need to fill you in on something. Following Esports is not a job for me, nor is it homework. Its a form of entertainment. I don't want to or care to put extra effort into consuming the content. I don't want to stay up late at night to watch tournaments held hallway across the world, or pay whatever amount of money I need to pay in order to watch vods.


And you're free to do that.

The reverse, though, also applies. It's a two-way street.

I don't care if you don't want to make following ESPORTs a job, but don't cry about it when you're willfully -choosing- not to learn more. I'm not blaming you, but you need to not blame the teams for not spoon feeding you information about them, then turn around and talk about faceless Koreans when you've made zero effort.


And that attitude is why SC2 is less popular than LoL.


lol u think i follow/like/support sc2

sc2 is less popular than lol cause it's a shit game, has absolutely nothign to do with the attitudes of a few hundred people on some random forum


No, I don't care if you support SC2, but that specific attitude is why SC2 fails to attract a many fans. I find that people heavily involved in SC2 are condescending towards fans, and that condescending attitude drives people away. I got into LoL because people I watched catered to fans and made the content easy to consume. It was an inviting atmosphere. Now look at the tone in which you responded to my post. Tell me that wasn't condescending.


Yes I agree SC2 people are evil, there is no disagreement here
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Ame
Profile Joined October 2009
United States246 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-01 01:12:48
January 01 2013 01:08 GMT
#4620
ahh man posting is never worth it
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