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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On January 01 2013 08:34 nojitosunrise wrote: Teams revealed for S3 NA qualifier this weekend http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/15qu4k/s3_path_to_pro_information/ root for my team! dirtnap gaming! i'll probably make a post here about the team | ||
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Agnosthar
631 Posts
On January 01 2013 08:15 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: The fact that we're here discussing this means that the people we're talking about aren't really casual - I wouldn't consider people who make an effort to talk about the professional LoL scene here on TL to be "casuals" in the sense that people who only play the game and watch tournaments when it gets linked in-client are casuals. If you're here on TL, or even Reddit, and complaining about "faceless Koreans," that is 100% a case of the willful ignorance that Yango is talking about. You're already making an effort to follow the proscene, but you're arbitrarily limiting yourself from looking into the Asian scene until they show up at worlds and stomp white people. I was promoting a widely acknowledged problem that casual fans suffer from. I wasn't speaking about my own experiences, (I follow the Asian scene with enthusiasm!) nor was I particularly saying it was a problem experienced by those of us discussing the professional LoL scene here on Team Liquid. On January 01 2013 08:17 dnastyx wrote: lmfao post of the year ahahahahahaha e: "you don't understand marketing" rofl Thanks, 'Only indifference is suspect.' :D On January 01 2013 08:23 OutlaW- wrote: Somebody needs to shove information into their faces. Quite! The Asian teams and the players themselves could do more in this regard. However they tend not to, presumably due to a different culture and attitude than westerners. We rely on people like Montecristo to bring the Asian scene to us. | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On January 01 2013 10:01 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: 1. Toyz and Rapidstar, to be honest, don't care -that- much about NA/EU fans. they have thriving scenes back home that pay their living, the foreign fans are just a bonus. Also Toyz's stream numbers aren't exactly low, in fact I'm sure he's at the top of the charts in terms of consistent stream viewers (consistent five digits). Rapidstar might be a notch behind, but I might go as far to say that Toyz is more popular/well-known than Maknoon, despite not speaking any English on stream and not interacting with audience at all. 2. You're not growing interest out of thin air. You already watch tournaments/follow the competitive scene at least some what. Hell, you already know who these people are. It's not thin air. It's "I know there's Koreans but I don't want to learn about them and then I'm gonna complain" that's silly. 3. This "community" is also incredibly fickle (due in part to its large size). Maknoon may seem close and dear to our hearts right now, but a couple months later when it's not the same group of people who were around when Maknoon was interacting with people who are dominating the Reddit userbase or w\e, it's going to be "Maknoon-who?" all over again. It's not really worth it to kill yourself trying to establish an image with a foreign audience when your home audience is just fine. I'm not saying that Asians should all hide in a cave until international tournaments come around, but I think it's incredibly egotistical of foreign fans to think that everything has to revolve around them, and that Asians have to cater to NA/EU people over their own audiences. People are not watching Toyz or Rapidstar in tournaments, they see TPA or AZF. You need the casters and some plays to make specific players shine. Also I don't think anyone here is arguing that everything should revolve around the foreign scene but quite the opposite: some people think that everybody should follow / support asian teams because they are the best. I like high level of play but I will always be sad that my europeans teams lose. And I will always prefer naijin sword over AZF because Maknoon is fun and Cloudtemplar is a douche. There are a lot of things that plays into why people are interested or cheer for a team and skill is not the everything of lol. And yes, half asians teams have no personality(just like half of th foreigners teams). | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On January 01 2013 09:55 WhiteDog wrote: How do you explain that maknoon is more known and followed than Toyz or Rapidstar ? Because he speaks up. Players also need to make or do something to push people into being curious about them.. You cannot go all hipster and wait for people to grow an interest out of thin air. i thought maknoon was popular kus he was one of the 'old boys' from NA, who everybody remembered as that goofy panth player (that wasn't smash or loci). | ||
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
On January 01 2013 10:30 barbsq wrote: i thought maknoon was popular kus he was one of the 'old boys' from NA, who everybody remembered as that goofy panth player (that wasn't smash or loci). That, and he became a reddit superstar after joking around, being ''awesome'' in interviews, doing that troll teemo game in WC and then acting really humble and admitting all of his mistakes after losing on facebook. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Well if such players can reach platinum I guess we should all get hope for ourselves.  Edit: arguably won lane against the Zed as Morgana (favorable match-up for him I guess, and I lost my tower earlier because had a field day to push when fed Lee forced us to try and salvage bot) and he's 1650 Elo, yay. | ||
JBright
Vancouver14381 Posts
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21248 Posts
On January 01 2013 10:42 Alaric wrote: Not putting it into the QQ thread because it made me laugh instead, but in a normal draft my little silver lining was with 2 golds, a platinum and a diamond, and the platinum Renekton rushed ninja tabi then bought ruby crystals against an (arguably terrible) Elise stacking MPen. When people pointed it out, he said it was because "you itemize against enemy not lane" and "they are 3 AD" (Zed mid, LS jungle, Cait bot) then started threatening to report us. Well if such players can reach platinum I guess we should all get hope for ourselves. how's that funny he's right | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Udyr gave him a kill lead at level 3, then Renek proceeded to go 2-5 and losing his tower because he let himself very opened to gank (unless the jungler warded for him) and lost every trade super hard because he basically ate true damage from Elise. Of course he'll take less damage in teamfights than if he had itemized for his lane, but what good will it do if he loses his lane so hard that he won't be relevant at all compared to his counterpart in teamfights? Dunno, it'd never occur to me to do something like that, I'd just play more carefully about how I position in fights till I get both sources of tankiness in that case. | ||
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ArcTimes
Peru269 Posts
I mean, i don't know about the renek v elise match up but building for the teamfights when you have an enemy building mpen, it would be dangerous. I don't know, i'm not even ranked lol. | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On January 01 2013 09:41 hacpee wrote: You're speaking in absolutes. If you're on TL, you aren't a casual follower. I'm on TL right now, have been since 2007. I'm a casual follower of LoL. I don't even know that CJ Entus had a B team and I don't want to make an effort into finding out who they are. There is an attitude at TL that I don't like, which is blaming the fans. Right now, you're blaming the fans like me for not putting more time or effort into doing research. Well I need to fill you in on something. Following Esports is not a job for me, nor is it homework. Its a form of entertainment. I don't want to or care to put extra effort into consuming the content. I don't want to stay up late at night to watch tournaments held hallway across the world, or pay whatever amount of money I need to pay in order to watch vods. What you did there, I saw it. | ||
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Ethelis
United States2400 Posts
On January 01 2013 10:56 ArcTimes wrote: He had a good point...but how do you know when are you going to need to build against your enemy lane? I mean, i don't know about the renek v elise match up but building for the teamfights when you have an enemy building mpen, it would be dangerous. I don't know, i'm not even ranked lol. When you're rushing tabi first against a non AD dmg heavy top and jungler you're doing something terribly wrong or have a plan to abuse your extra mobility (since tabi IS cheapest t2 boots). I don't see that happening often, much less in that MU. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
But, tbh that's not a really valid excuse, there are people like Froggen (who I find absolutely fucking boring as fuck to watch on stream, and has terrible personality, and very self-fish style of play), yet they have a huge following. So if someone like Froggen can get a huge ass amount of popularity despite shitty stream, and he doesn't talk much; then I don't see why fans wouldn't follow non-english speaking streams. | ||
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ArcTimes
Peru269 Posts
On January 01 2013 11:04 xMiragex wrote: When you're rushing tabi first against a non AD dmg heavy top and jungler you're doing something terribly wrong or have a plan to abuse your extra mobility (since tabi IS cheapest t2 boots). I don't see that happening often, much less in that MU. Yeah, that's what i was thinking... more or less. lol I think it's good to build for teamfights, but that's jsut too much. Looking for a balance between lane and tf. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On January 01 2013 11:08 wei2coolman wrote: It's hard to follow people that don't speak the same language as you do. So obviously hard for foreign fans to follow Koreans. But, tbh that's not a really valid excuse, there are people like Froggen (who I find absolutely fucking boring as fuck to watch on stream, and has terrible personality, and very self-fish style of play), yet they have a huge following. So if someone like Froggen can get a huge ass amount of popularity despite shitty stream, and he doesn't talk much; then I don't see why fans wouldn't follow non-english speaking streams. My biggest issue is the start times. | ||
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tobi9999
United States1966 Posts
On January 01 2013 10:52 Alaric wrote: The idea isn't totally wrong, but there's a difference between not stacking MR (for example rushing mercs and hexdrinker with 0 armor in the midgame would be dumb I agree) and stacking both armor and HP (he was rushing tabi->warmogs with some dblades mixed in) with 0 MR against a champion with low cooldown, %HP-based point'n'click ranged harass whose typical build is to stack Magic Penetration. Udyr gave him a kill lead at level 3, then Renek proceeded to go 2-5 and losing his tower because he let himself very opened to gank (unless the jungler warded for him) and lost every trade super hard because he basically ate true damage from Elise. Of course he'll take less damage in teamfights than if he had itemized for his lane, but what good will it do if he loses his lane so hard that he won't be relevant at all compared to his counterpart in teamfights? Dunno, it'd never occur to me to do something like that, I'd just play more carefully about how I position in fights till I get both sources of tankiness in that case. The dumbest part about all of this is that you think someone fucking around in a normal game means that you have a chance to obtain the same elo as him without improving yourself. o.o | ||
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