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Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
December 27 2012 06:38 GMT
#3261
Reached a somewhat high elo.

Shen left open quite frequently.

Is this real life?
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
December 27 2012 06:49 GMT
#3262
On December 27 2012 15:38 Dusty wrote:
Reached a somewhat high elo.

Shen left open quite frequently.

Is this real life?

Even in competitive play Shen has gone from insta-first-ban/pick material to sometimes even being ignored completely. How fickle you are FotM.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
December 27 2012 06:53 GMT
#3263
Im sure riot will make shen full ad and fix that for us next patch
KCCO!
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-27 06:57:43
December 27 2012 06:57 GMT
#3264
servers are shitting on me right now (had 3 people d/c for my ranked game)
riot is fucking horrible
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
December 27 2012 07:02 GMT
#3265
lol, yes, the occasional event of lag, Riot is suddenly horrible. @_@
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Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
December 27 2012 07:04 GMT
#3266
I was having like 3 sec input delay towards the end of my last game so I just called it a night.
Carrilord has arrived.
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-27 07:06:46
December 27 2012 07:05 GMT
#3267
Nothing better than and a hot coffee in a freezing day while watching Toyz stream .

On December 27 2012 15:57 Kenpachi wrote:
servers are shitting on me right now (had 3 people d/c for my ranked game)
riot is fucking horrible

Riot is ok with their sever, really, after playing on CN I know I will be grateful if I got Riot to host the server.
Terran
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
December 27 2012 07:05 GMT
#3268
There were people dropping out / lagging in games pretty much all day today, though it seemed the minority of games / people.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
December 27 2012 07:05 GMT
#3269
On December 27 2012 16:02 NeoIllusions wrote:
lol, yes, the occasional event of lag, Riot is suddenly horrible. @_@

suddenly? ill never say their servers are remotely good
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
December 27 2012 07:10 GMT
#3270
On December 27 2012 15:23 SHr3DD3r wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2012 13:45 Diamond wrote:
What runes/masteries is everyone running on jungle Zed?

Edit: Also for skills, E>Q>W with maxing Q>E>W?

Your standard AD runes should be fine Arp-Armor-MR-AD
Masteries are 21/9/0 or 21/0/9

And with jungle Zed you should be maxing E first.


Thank you!
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
December 27 2012 07:12 GMT
#3271
For Zed, maxing E in general just seems to be optimal.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
December 27 2012 07:16 GMT
#3272
On December 27 2012 16:05 Kenpachi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2012 16:02 NeoIllusions wrote:
lol, yes, the occasional event of lag, Riot is suddenly horrible. @_@

suddenly? ill never say their servers are remotely good


Beyond today, I can't remember the last time we had lag this bad. Lag hardly occurs outside of patch days.
What's your example for QQ'ing about Riot and the servers?
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SHr3DD3r
Profile Joined March 2009
Pakistan2137 Posts
December 27 2012 07:17 GMT
#3273
On December 27 2012 16:12 Dusty wrote:
For Zed, maxing E in general just seems to be optimal.

Against alot of top laners maxing E decreases your chances of safe harass in lane. Eg Darius, Cho etc. I experimented with both and I like the range and damage of Q more, and with W it does a fair amount of damage too. Just need to experiment a lil more with E though. Meh
Hit them hard! Hit them low! - Forever a Bisu Fan!~!
Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
December 27 2012 07:19 GMT
#3274
That's true, I suppose, not a lot of champs want an extended trade with Darius.

On a side not, PL's Ziggs looking strong. Kobeeeeeeee
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
December 27 2012 07:21 GMT
#3275
So here is a real question:

When do I start saving smite? I understand that like, If a buff/dragon is gonna be up within the CD I should keep it (early). My dilemma is once Baron is a real possibility. He tends to sit on the board a lot more than dragon, and on some junglers the buff camps are so slow without smite, plus the extra gold is nice.
Freeeeeeedom
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-27 07:27:11
December 27 2012 07:24 GMT
#3276
On December 27 2012 16:16 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2012 16:05 Kenpachi wrote:
On December 27 2012 16:02 NeoIllusions wrote:
lol, yes, the occasional event of lag, Riot is suddenly horrible. @_@

suddenly? ill never say their servers are remotely good


Beyond today, I can't remember the last time we had lag this bad. Lag hardly occurs outside of patch days.
What's your example for QQ'ing about Riot and the servers?

because it happened that one time

On December 27 2012 16:12 Dusty wrote:
For Zed, maxing E in general just seems to be optimal.

It's sooo short ranged that i would feel really uncomfortable maxing e first in any lane, pretty much regardless of any damage or utility differential in terms of maxing e vs q.
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-27 07:57:15
December 27 2012 07:25 GMT
#3277
On December 27 2012 16:21 cLutZ wrote:
So here is a real question:

When do I start saving smite? I understand that like, If a buff/dragon is gonna be up within the CD I should keep it (early). My dilemma is once Baron is a real possibility. He tends to sit on the board a lot more than dragon, and on some junglers the buff camps are so slow without smite, plus the extra gold is nice.


always... if the camps are so slow without smite that it's hurting you that late in the game play a different jungler D:, or build sunfire, or something...
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
December 27 2012 07:29 GMT
#3278
On December 27 2012 16:21 cLutZ wrote:
So here is a real question:

When do I start saving smite? I understand that like, If a buff/dragon is gonna be up within the CD I should keep it (early). My dilemma is once Baron is a real possibility. He tends to sit on the board a lot more than dragon, and on some junglers the buff camps are so slow without smite, plus the extra gold is nice.


Basically once the laning phase ends. At that point you shouldn't need Smite for buff camps. If you need the buffs then you're a champion who is capable of taking them quickly without help or Smite. If you don't need the buffs your ally who does should be there from the get-go because it's stupidly dangerous to take them alone against smart opponents.

That's not to say you should never use Smite on camps past the laning phase, just that you shouldn't find yourself crippled if you feel you need to sit on it.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
December 27 2012 07:48 GMT
#3279
Jungle Hec. sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo fun wtf. I'm still doing pretty relevant damage despite doing full on tank/support items.

Not sure exactly what to build on him though. Been going Spiritstone-> Sightstone -> Glacial-> Kindlegem -> w/e is appropriate. Maybe throw in a Bruta in there earlier? Seems like maxing CDR is pretty efficient on him.
Forever Young
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
December 27 2012 07:51 GMT
#3280
I feel like GolemSS and Frozen Gauntlet is core on Hec.
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