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On December 05 2012 12:13 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 12:11 Irave wrote:On December 05 2012 12:00 TheYango wrote:On December 05 2012 11:58 Irave wrote:On December 05 2012 11:34 billy5000 wrote:
TheYango, are you saying that I should just skip philo altogether or get it later in the game? I do feel like gp/s items are unnecessary from this one game in which I just rushed sightstone and aegis as leona. You have the opportunity to start the lane with the two pieces of the philo, 3 wards a biscuit and an hp pot. Which enables you to buy the philo on your first back to get the gp10 rolling. Kages is now actually useful for a support as well. I don't think we will see the rush sighstone being the way. What's the point of rushing Philo when Sightstone's ward usage is effectively worth 2 gp10 items? Bottle+Sightstone is more effective gp10 than actual gp10 items, lol. Because you get a core item up and running sooner. At the expense of having to buy 2-3 more wards out of pocket. With the philo regen a good portion of supports won't even need to invest in the flask. So with what you save on the flask you pay for in wards. Rushing sighstone saves you a minimal amount of gold. Wait, how do you "save" on a Flask when Flask costs 225 and Philo costs 700. It's Philo that's generating gold to catch up to Flask, not the other way round. If you don't want the immediate Sightstone that's fine. Just rush your core item off just the Flask, and get Sightstone later. But it's silly to suggest that Philo is "saving" you money compared to a Flask.
I can understand getting the flask on some some supports Leona/Blitz the all in type. I'm just slightly caught in the old ways, of getting incredibly excited at the opportunity of getting a really early philo. Since your still likely going to get the Shurelya's.
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On December 05 2012 12:23 Frolossus wrote:
i feel like the archangels upgrade is kinda crap on everyone who isn't ryze
i can't justify the 600 damage shield over building a rod of ages or something instead
600 damage shield, 120 AP, 1000 mana and 10 MP/5?
Totally worse than a Rod of Ages on everybody but Ryze.
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On December 05 2012 12:01 petered wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 11:37 VayneAuthority wrote:On December 05 2012 11:24 petered wrote:
Anybody hating on the new shop is crazy. So much better now. You can get to any category instantly rather than having to click through menus. man i hope your joking. it took me 10 minutes just to find out how to buy a doran blade. There is really nothing the new shop does better than the old, a lot of needless complexity and terrible design. Not joking, you are just bad at looking. It is demonstrably better than the old in terms of how long it takes to get to any given item. The old shop bothered the crap out of me. The new interface is whatever. No opinion on that. Don't see the need to change it but whatever floats their boat. New masteries are blowing my mind. Really no clue what to get. Early game and laning doesn't seem all that different to me so far, but once mid game hits everything is just so different.
you are in the minority so no...you must have a very interesting sense of organization. Took me 5 seconds to get whatever item i wanted in the old shop. now it takes me at least 20 seconds just to buy something. its a considerable difference and is quite annoying.
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On December 05 2012 12:27 Irave wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 12:13 TheYango wrote:On December 05 2012 12:11 Irave wrote:On December 05 2012 12:00 TheYango wrote:On December 05 2012 11:58 Irave wrote:On December 05 2012 11:34 billy5000 wrote:
TheYango, are you saying that I should just skip philo altogether or get it later in the game? I do feel like gp/s items are unnecessary from this one game in which I just rushed sightstone and aegis as leona. You have the opportunity to start the lane with the two pieces of the philo, 3 wards a biscuit and an hp pot. Which enables you to buy the philo on your first back to get the gp10 rolling. Kages is now actually useful for a support as well. I don't think we will see the rush sighstone being the way. What's the point of rushing Philo when Sightstone's ward usage is effectively worth 2 gp10 items? Bottle+Sightstone is more effective gp10 than actual gp10 items, lol. Because you get a core item up and running sooner. At the expense of having to buy 2-3 more wards out of pocket. With the philo regen a good portion of supports won't even need to invest in the flask. So with what you save on the flask you pay for in wards. Rushing sighstone saves you a minimal amount of gold. Wait, how do you "save" on a Flask when Flask costs 225 and Philo costs 700. It's Philo that's generating gold to catch up to Flask, not the other way round. If you don't want the immediate Sightstone that's fine. Just rush your core item off just the Flask, and get Sightstone later. But it's silly to suggest that Philo is "saving" you money compared to a Flask. I can understand getting the flask on some some supports Leona/Blitz the all in type. I'm just slightly caught in the old ways, of getting incredibly excited at the opportunity of getting a really early philo. Since your still likely going to get the Shurelya's.
Get a locket it's better now.
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On December 05 2012 12:32 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 12:01 petered wrote:On December 05 2012 11:37 VayneAuthority wrote:On December 05 2012 11:24 petered wrote:
Anybody hating on the new shop is crazy. So much better now. You can get to any category instantly rather than having to click through menus. man i hope your joking. it took me 10 minutes just to find out how to buy a doran blade. There is really nothing the new shop does better than the old, a lot of needless complexity and terrible design. Not joking, you are just bad at looking. It is demonstrably better than the old in terms of how long it takes to get to any given item. The old shop bothered the crap out of me. The new interface is whatever. No opinion on that. Don't see the need to change it but whatever floats their boat. New masteries are blowing my mind. Really no clue what to get. Early game and laning doesn't seem all that different to me so far, but once mid game hits everything is just so different. you are in the minority so no...you must have a very interesting sense of organization. Took me 5 seconds to get whatever item i wanted in the old shop. now it takes me at least 20 seconds just to buy something. its a considerable difference and is quite annoying.
When you get more familiar with it it will be cake. Now not only is the interface new, but there is a mass amount of new items. So your eyes just want to go everywhere. Or if you know what you want, just type it in... So similar to the old, just way more options.
Get a locket it's better now.
My mind jumps to the innervating locket and I get excited, that's real good regen! As to what you mean though, yea I look forward to trying it out, just haven't got around to it yet.
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On December 05 2012 11:48 Koenig99 wrote:
So what's the new Jax build looking like now? Iceborne Gauntlet a must or still rush Trinity Force?
So this is pure theorycraft (im on euw, we are being patched right now), but i really like guinsoos on him, i feel like the slight tweaks to it allow it to be a great snowball item on jax. Ofc this I still have to try things out!
Edit: Also out of curiosity what do you guys think of the biscuit mastery?
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On December 05 2012 12:32 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 12:01 petered wrote:On December 05 2012 11:37 VayneAuthority wrote:On December 05 2012 11:24 petered wrote:
Anybody hating on the new shop is crazy. So much better now. You can get to any category instantly rather than having to click through menus. man i hope your joking. it took me 10 minutes just to find out how to buy a doran blade. There is really nothing the new shop does better than the old, a lot of needless complexity and terrible design. Not joking, you are just bad at looking. It is demonstrably better than the old in terms of how long it takes to get to any given item. The old shop bothered the crap out of me. The new interface is whatever. No opinion on that. Don't see the need to change it but whatever floats their boat. New masteries are blowing my mind. Really no clue what to get. Early game and laning doesn't seem all that different to me so far, but once mid game hits everything is just so different. you are in the minority so no...you must have a very interesting sense of organization. Took me 5 seconds to get whatever item i wanted in the old shop. now it takes me at least 20 seconds just to buy something. its a considerable difference and is quite annoying.
I bet you a dollar that I can get to any given item faster under the new shop than the old, which to me is the only criteria that is important in a shop. Just because you are not use to it doesn't mean it isn't better.
It is like when you upgrade from excel 1997 to excel 2003, and you have no clue how to use it at first so everything takes longer. doesn't change the fact that it is demonstrably better than the old.
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Now every time I see a canon minion die without getting last hit, I cry. ;-;
Not good, man. 
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On December 05 2012 12:27 Irave wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 12:13 TheYango wrote:On December 05 2012 12:11 Irave wrote:On December 05 2012 12:00 TheYango wrote:On December 05 2012 11:58 Irave wrote:On December 05 2012 11:34 billy5000 wrote:
TheYango, are you saying that I should just skip philo altogether or get it later in the game? I do feel like gp/s items are unnecessary from this one game in which I just rushed sightstone and aegis as leona. You have the opportunity to start the lane with the two pieces of the philo, 3 wards a biscuit and an hp pot. Which enables you to buy the philo on your first back to get the gp10 rolling. Kages is now actually useful for a support as well. I don't think we will see the rush sighstone being the way. What's the point of rushing Philo when Sightstone's ward usage is effectively worth 2 gp10 items? Bottle+Sightstone is more effective gp10 than actual gp10 items, lol. Because you get a core item up and running sooner. At the expense of having to buy 2-3 more wards out of pocket. With the philo regen a good portion of supports won't even need to invest in the flask. So with what you save on the flask you pay for in wards. Rushing sighstone saves you a minimal amount of gold. Wait, how do you "save" on a Flask when Flask costs 225 and Philo costs 700. It's Philo that's generating gold to catch up to Flask, not the other way round. If you don't want the immediate Sightstone that's fine. Just rush your core item off just the Flask, and get Sightstone later. But it's silly to suggest that Philo is "saving" you money compared to a Flask. I can understand getting the flask on some some supports Leona/Blitz the all in type. I'm just slightly caught in the old ways, of getting incredibly excited at the opportunity of getting a really early philo. Since your still likely going to get the Shurelya's.
there is a very good chance you're not going to get reverie since it's balanced now. And to be honest, early boots is pretty poor too.
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On December 05 2012 12:39 petered wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 12:32 VayneAuthority wrote:On December 05 2012 12:01 petered wrote:On December 05 2012 11:37 VayneAuthority wrote:On December 05 2012 11:24 petered wrote:
Anybody hating on the new shop is crazy. So much better now. You can get to any category instantly rather than having to click through menus. man i hope your joking. it took me 10 minutes just to find out how to buy a doran blade. There is really nothing the new shop does better than the old, a lot of needless complexity and terrible design. Not joking, you are just bad at looking. It is demonstrably better than the old in terms of how long it takes to get to any given item. The old shop bothered the crap out of me. The new interface is whatever. No opinion on that. Don't see the need to change it but whatever floats their boat. New masteries are blowing my mind. Really no clue what to get. Early game and laning doesn't seem all that different to me so far, but once mid game hits everything is just so different. you are in the minority so no...you must have a very interesting sense of organization. Took me 5 seconds to get whatever item i wanted in the old shop. now it takes me at least 20 seconds just to buy something. its a considerable difference and is quite annoying. I bet you a dollar that I can get to any given item faster under the new shop than the old, which to me is the only criteria that is important in a shop. Just because you are not use to it doesn't mean it isn't better. It is like when you upgrade from excel 1997 to excel 2003, and you have no clue how to use it at first so everything takes longer. doesn't change the fact that it is demonstrably better than the old.
he said she said, thats all this boils down to. great you like the new shop, great I hate it.
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roffles trolling like 5k kids at once right now l0l
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I feel like the search function alleviates a lot of the problems, even if you don't know where something is you can just search it.
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On December 05 2012 12:52 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
roffles trolling like 5k kids at once right now l0l
Is he the graves who sounds like the goldman kid from family guy?
For the shop you have 2 viewing options, the one on the right cuts off 1/2 of the choices, the 1 on the left is closer to the old shop.
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I must have missed it, I see a lot of best graves NA. With a hard time hearing whoever he is on skype or whatever with. Yea I missed it he muted.
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On December 05 2012 12:52 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
roffles trolling like 5k kids at once right now l0l
rofl, seeing a million delayed replies to his in game shittalk
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roffles just managed to earn an ignore from TOO. No more trolling =(
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It feels like resists cost way too much combined with the rework of how flat penetration applies.It also makes zero sense that wardens mail builds into Frozen Heart when it doesn't even retain the effect.
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On December 05 2012 13:24 zer0das wrote:
It feels like resists cost way too much combined with the rework of how flat penetration applies.It also makes zero sense that wardens mail builds into Frozen Heart when it doesn't even retain the effect.
The effect becomes an aura around you....
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How about building up a tear on Singed? combined with Liandry Lament and Rylais?
I've heard good things.
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