EPT[Patch 1.0.0.151: End of S2] General Discussion - Page 34
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Celial
2602 Posts
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wussleeQ
United States3130 Posts
On November 14 2012 19:31 kongoline wrote: is it me or gragas late game is horrible, i just seem to not make much dmg in team fights (its basically only ult and 1-2 Q's) and its very hard to carry games, yesterday i crushed lux in lane which didnt matter much because my teammates were bad and we ended in late game where everyone was fed and she still outscaled me horribly while i barely did any dmg and couldnt carry my team ... he's great. if you are barely doing damage you're doing something wrong. good initiator and ability to burst squishies. his late game def is not as good as his early game but it's still very good | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On November 14 2012 19:31 kongoline wrote: is it me or gragas late game is horrible, i just seem to not make much dmg in team fights (its basically only ult and 1-2 Q's) and its very hard to carry games, yesterday i crushed lux in lane which didnt matter much because my teammates were bad and we ended in late game where everyone was fed and she still outscaled me horribly while i barely did any dmg and couldnt carry my team ... Janna ult you can throw is one of the best initiations in the game but yeah, super late game it might fall off if you don't have deathcap/void/etc. | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On November 14 2012 19:47 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: Janna ult you can throw is one of the best initiations in the game but yeah, super late game it might fall off if you don't have deathcap/void/etc. But there's no way you don't have those items super late game. You farm 20 minions with a single barrel. | ||
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zodde
Sweden1908 Posts
On November 14 2012 19:44 Celial wrote: AP Gragas stronk early and mid. Tank Gragas stronk late. Is there anyone who plays tank gragas? I would be interesting in seeing how that works out throughout the game | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
On November 14 2012 20:44 zodde wrote: Is there anyone who plays tank gragas? I would be interesting in seeing how that works out throughout the game kinda entertaining. hes a triforce champ, can dish a lot of damage with body slam lol | ||
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Razhil
Belgium208 Posts
On November 14 2012 19:29 M2 wrote: I thought they lower the price based on when the champions has been issued. I mean they keep some kind of a ratio between cheap, mid and expensive champions and when new ones come the old ones fall back in price. Thats what I thought I though as well... That's why I'm still waiting and waiting and waiting for them to lower Ezreal's price as he's the oldest current 6300 IP champ (next one is Vlad)... Won't happen I guess, too many Ezreal players already... | ||
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kongoline
6318 Posts
On November 14 2012 19:45 wussleeQ wrote: he's great. if you are barely doing damage you're doing something wrong. good initiator and ability to burst squishies. his late game def is not as good as his early game but it's still very good i already had grail,dc,void staff, dfg at this point so i doubt my items were problem, maybe it was my teammates doing no dmg which made team fights look so hopeless | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
Cool ranked game with no jungler and two top, you gotta love your ranked. I've seen two Zed already, seems like he does no damages at all past early game. | ||
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Celial
2602 Posts
On November 14 2012 20:44 zodde wrote: Is there anyone who plays tank gragas? I would be interesting in seeing how that works out throughout the game Froggen routinely picks him if he doesn't get mid. Plays him toplane. Funny thing is, even if he get's fucked super hard in lane, he starts fucking shit up in late regardless. Wasn't he picked recently in some tournament too (as tank)? Can't remember... | ||
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Gaslo
Finland951 Posts
On November 14 2012 20:56 kongoline wrote: i already had grail,dc,void staff, dfg at this point so i doubt my items where problem at this point, maybe it was my teammates doing no dmg which made team fights look so hopeless Well your full burst is something like DFG + 975 base + 2.4AP... So it should be more then enough to oneshot a squishy. And you have to remember that all of that is AOE too. I've never felt that gragas falls of too much, at least compared to most other AP mids i play. His poke is good, displacement is great, movement and AS slows, DR, Great mobility... Yeah his damage is not in the 6 item karthus levels, but its still pretty good. | ||
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57 Corvette
Canada5941 Posts
On November 14 2012 20:56 kongoline wrote: i already had grail,dc,void staff, dfg at this point so i doubt my items where problem at this point, maybe it was my teammates doing no dmg which made team fights look so hopeless At that point your Qs should be doing 900 magic damage (assuming no/low MR), and your ult well over 1k. I'm thinking it may have just been your team doing no damage. The only problem with Gragas lategame is he throws his barrels in, then has to wait 5 seconds for his Q to come up. You don't use E for damage so much lategame unless you are catching someone out alone with your team, so you have 2.5 damaging abilities, only 1.5 of them useable more than once per teamfight. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14076 Posts
On November 14 2012 16:24 TheLink wrote: vs a lot of melee lanes you have to start pink + 2. If they pink your lane brush you get totally fucked by Taric/Blitz/Alistar/Leona. But yeah I have started charm + 4 + 1 and warded for top quite often. Usually if I'm blue side and opponents purple jungler is going to rotate between wraiths - golems - top all day as purple junglers usually do. Favourite streamer goes: LoCicero --> Snoopeh --> Everyone Else --> Scarra Scarra just pisses me off, I'm sure he's a nice guy and all but he's so arrogant and such a prick from what I see. It's always his teams poor play, its never his opponents, its never himself, its always just Dignitas sucks ass according to him. you ever watch wingsofdeath? hes my favorite streamer. talks about what hes doing a lot and useuslay does a really good job at it. | ||
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SlashCare
Netherlands13 Posts
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On November 14 2012 21:55 SlashCare wrote: Loving the buffs on Elise, makes her more viable because she really was a bit UP. I don't think so, her problem is her itemisation. She was already really good early (especially if you land the cocoon), but no itemisation late made her bad. Now the buff, I like them since I like Elise actually (I had this crush on an Italian girl called Elise, god man Italian girls are something else) but really I'm not sure they were needed considering the item rework coming in. The "tanky" sheen for exemple would be a good item on her. | ||
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Lysteria
France2280 Posts
On November 14 2012 19:31 kongoline wrote: is it me or gragas late game is horrible, i just seem to not make much dmg in team fights (its basically only ult and 1-2 Q's) and its very hard to carry games, yesterday i crushed lux in lane which didnt matter much because my teammates were bad and we ended in late game where everyone was fed and she still outscaled me horribly while i barely did any dmg and couldnt carry my team ... The thing is, as long as your team can deal a bunch of damage - and so do you cause you're gragas after all - the ultimate is often strong enough to tear appart the team and let you begin the fight at 5v4 or 5v3, with a good placement, even if you are on CD after that. | ||
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ihasaKAROT
Netherlands4730 Posts
Aphro -> Snoopeh -> Wings -> Wickd -> Dyrus is my top5 | ||
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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
Always drink, abuse your free 30 - 70 AD. Some chump moves away from creeps, body slam him. Build whatever you need to get through lane and into farm mode. Get as fat as possible - we're talking at least one warmogs. Mog, FoN, Randuin is when you hit total invincible mode. The last 2 slots are a tough choice - Spirit Visage is very cost-efficient and you heal a stupid amount. Trinity Force is fantastic but super expensive. Atma's is great if you're autoattacking things at all. Frozen Heart is godlike and basically destroys the AS of anyone in your vicinity (Q + Randuin + FHeart is hilarious). Anything that increases your mana pool/regen and gives you tank stats isn't going to be bad; anything that gives you CDR and tank stats isn't going to be bad; anything that gives you more damage is going to be questionable but probably ok because you don't even care any more. Just try to be a big fat oaf that is in between your squishies and their team. There was one TL game with I think CSheep on Veigar and me on tank gragas and every lane except CSheep lost hard. We were way behind, but slowly ground it out until CSheep was doing 2/3 hp on their entire team with one Dark Matter and I very nearly could not die. Teamfights were all 5 of them trying to dive him and us doing our best to peel Noc and Lee or whatever it was. | ||
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Razhil
Belgium208 Posts
Now... Playing TT has an ADC gave me serious headache... I can't really practice when my friends are not there because playing ADC in TT with a PUG gets me trashtalked by my team for not picking a bruiser... So in short, even if it's not optimal, what is the best way to play ADC in the new TT ? Which lane should I pick, why ? Which items should be my go-to? Should I pick more defensive masteries/runes ? What could my friends pick, do to increase the synergy of our team as well ? I'm mainly playing Caitlyn, Vayne and Tristana btw. I really hate the pew pew Ezreal :$ Thanks guys ! | ||
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Dusty
United States3359 Posts
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