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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-22 22:32:57
November 22 2012 22:31 GMT
#3281
You missed the point of my original post which is that saying DotA has more hard counters is pretty much counter to the opinion of myself and anyone I know who's actually played both games--particularly insofar as it pertains to the laning phase where, again, lane counterpicks happen more frequently in LoL and people generally feel like lane matchups matter more in Lol than in DotA.

It represents a superficial and ignorant point of view that obviously shows no effort in actually properly researching your competitor's game.
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Parametric
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1261 Posts
November 22 2012 22:32 GMT
#3282
On November 23 2012 07:24 AsnSensation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 07:03 BluzMan wrote:
Geez I hate the idea with colored brackets so much. I didn't play ranked in S2 (well, mostly normals with my friends) and now got to 1500's and every fucking idiot there keeps telling me how he's worried about my ELO. I've just lost a game when a guy who played lastpick support Nunu kept bitching how I "took his AD carry" and didn't even fucking ward. We lost the game 1-15 and I was the only one without deaths on my team.

It will get worse when I climb up higher I guess.

On the other note, why are people picking support Nunu so often? In my experience, in most lane combinations it's a complete disaster.


tbh I feel ya bro, I'm actually open minded and always sty positive when I get a non badge player in my 1700 games right now I think to myself: Damn is that someone who just got lucky with his placements?

I wish riot removed the badges in the loading screen again


Then there's the silver border guy with 2000+ ranked games played last season and he starts the game off by talking about elo hell XD
Crispy Bacon craving overload.
BluzMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Russian Federation4235 Posts
November 22 2012 22:34 GMT
#3283
On November 23 2012 07:26 PrinceXizor wrote:
You should have the option of displaying your s2 ELO rank or not


Won't fix anything. If you're not displaying it, you're probably hiding something. Those brackets need to go.

Still, the Nunu question stands. I have no idea how to play with him because I mostly pick "safe" ad's and work to dominate the lategame and maybe do some harass but rarely commit to killing. I don't know if it's just my picks, my playstyle or if Nunu is actually a terrible support in most lanes.
You want 20 good men, but you need a bad pussy.
Twinmold
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden238 Posts
November 22 2012 22:37 GMT
#3284
On November 23 2012 07:34 BluzMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 07:26 PrinceXizor wrote:
You should have the option of displaying your s2 ELO rank or not


Won't fix anything. If you're not displaying it, you're probably hiding something. Those brackets need to go.

Still, the Nunu question stands. I have no idea how to play with him because I mostly pick "safe" ad's and work to dominate the lategame and maybe do some harass but rarely commit to killing. I don't know if it's just my picks, my playstyle or if Nunu is actually a terrible support in most lanes.

What do the Nunu supports you've played with max first?
SC / LoL / DotA // Twinmold took a moment for himself. He never gave it back.
c.Deadly
Profile Joined March 2010
United States545 Posts
November 22 2012 22:40 GMT
#3285
I don't know if this has been linked yet, but there's a spreadsheet now for item efficiency.

http://www.reignofgaming.net/blogs/a-different-view/vvinrar/22455-all-about-season-3-item-efficiency
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0AhSzLWU_Cl-NdDFIRFFNeklfY1UyRHQ3b2dLYjhSdHc&authkey=CLm220c&toomany=true#gid=13

I haven't done any calculations myself so I'm assuming everything on there is accurate - how do you guys feel about some of these new items? There were a few standouts that I took note of...

Morellonomicon: looks very nice, still a niche item but it's actually buyable now. If a team is running 2 APs with mana, it might be a nice option for the AP who isn't getting blue buff.

Twin Shadows: One ghost for the enemy mid, one for the enemy jungler. The stats are perfect for mid lane and can scout out the enemy jungler if he's nearby, and assist in any mid lane + jungler skirmishes around wraiths or buffs

Locket of the Iron Solari: anyone considering getting this on top laners now? The stats are nice, for someone like Malphite or Shen it would be a good support-y option, it leaves the support more gold to buy...

Mikael's Crucible: I think this one's already been mentioned. So is it a staple item for supports now? Or is it a game-by-game basis thing like QSS on the AD? Will top laners and junglers carry more of the burden of buying aura items like Zeke's, Aegis, and Locket so the support can afford this?

I'm looking forward to where these changes will take us. Double AP comps? Triple bruiser? I really have no clue.
BluzMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Russian Federation4235 Posts
November 22 2012 22:43 GMT
#3286
On November 23 2012 07:37 Twinmold wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 07:34 BluzMan wrote:
On November 23 2012 07:26 PrinceXizor wrote:
You should have the option of displaying your s2 ELO rank or not


Won't fix anything. If you're not displaying it, you're probably hiding something. Those brackets need to go.

Still, the Nunu question stands. I have no idea how to play with him because I mostly pick "safe" ad's and work to dominate the lategame and maybe do some harass but rarely commit to killing. I don't know if it's just my picks, my playstyle or if Nunu is actually a terrible support in most lanes.

What do the Nunu supports you've played with max first?


No idea, they just enrage me and sit in the brush and wait for something to happen, snowballing people from time to time when they come close. I don't recall them snowballs doing significant damage so probably enrage first but idk. That last one got at least one level of consume and kept stealing my farm.
You want 20 good men, but you need a bad pussy.
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
November 22 2012 22:47 GMT
#3287
On November 23 2012 07:34 BluzMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 07:26 PrinceXizor wrote:
You should have the option of displaying your s2 ELO rank or not


Won't fix anything. If you're not displaying it, you're probably hiding something. Those brackets need to go.

Still, the Nunu question stands. I have no idea how to play with him because I mostly pick "safe" ad's and work to dominate the lategame and maybe do some harass but rarely commit to killing. I don't know if it's just my picks, my playstyle or if Nunu is actually a terrible support in most lanes.

Nunu is like the Vayne of supports. Terrible early game but scales really well. Nunu loses like loses like every lane except maybe against blitz but his Bloodboil is basically a free item for your AD which makes him really fucking useful. He also is a big threat in teamfights because of his ultimate, and his Iceball slow is fucking huge. I hate playing against Nunu and I love when I have a Nunu on my team. I have no idea what you mean by your playstyle. Kogmaw and Vayne, 2 of the best late game ADs, are the best ADs to combine with Nunu.
Also, if everybody just hides their border, then it's solved. Just because somebody is hiding something doesn't mean anything.
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17274 Posts
November 22 2012 22:48 GMT
#3288
No he isn't.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Twinmold
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden238 Posts
November 22 2012 22:49 GMT
#3289
On November 23 2012 07:43 BluzMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 07:37 Twinmold wrote:
On November 23 2012 07:34 BluzMan wrote:
On November 23 2012 07:26 PrinceXizor wrote:
You should have the option of displaying your s2 ELO rank or not


Won't fix anything. If you're not displaying it, you're probably hiding something. Those brackets need to go.

Still, the Nunu question stands. I have no idea how to play with him because I mostly pick "safe" ad's and work to dominate the lategame and maybe do some harass but rarely commit to killing. I don't know if it's just my picks, my playstyle or if Nunu is actually a terrible support in most lanes.

What do the Nunu supports you've played with max first?


No idea, they just enrage me and sit in the brush and wait for something to happen, snowballing people from time to time when they come close. I don't recall them snowballs doing significant damage so probably enrage first but idk. That last one got at least one level of consume and kept stealing my farm.

If they aren't maxing iceblast first then that's probably the problem. Bloodboil max leaves you very weak in lane.
SC / LoL / DotA // Twinmold took a moment for himself. He never gave it back.
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
November 22 2012 22:53 GMT
#3290
pretty sure that nunu is the strongest champ in the game after zyra
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
November 22 2012 23:00 GMT
#3291
On November 23 2012 07:48 Craton wrote:
No he isn't.

great post, adds to the discussion a lot
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
November 22 2012 23:02 GMT
#3292
Come and tell my Wukong there's no hard counters in LoL, Riot. Fuck Darius. :<
It seems pretty intuitive to me that, at least in the current meta, LoL would have many more hard counters than DotA: sure, there's no deny, but there are more 1v1 or 1v2 lanes, leading to critical ranged farming capabilities or trading tools in champions' kits. You can more or less assume what's going to be played where, and picks with multiple lane choices like Kennen (esp. when he was played AD too), or currently Lee in soloQ (top? mid? jungle?) are seen as such a big plus that it's pretty telling about the importance of the match-ups.

iirc, in DotA some heroes are generally easy to shutdown by themselves or simply weak in lane (inherently, not especially related to a carry state or something that makes their early levels weak), but those are then sent to the "long lane" with one or sometimes 2 co-laners to help them farm, while the fact that you'll forego a lot of farm in the "suicide lane" is more or less admitted, meaning counters are already accounted for in some way when you choose who to pick for that lane?


When I'm playing Nunu support I go WEE, taking a point in Q whenever, and I only use it against a heavy harass lane if it allows me to counteract their harass (I use it on a low health minion so as not to push, and anyway if I "steal" a cs then just think of it as an additional ward when I'll back). I know Q shouldn't be used in an ideal scenario, but when I manage to bait them to try and focus me rather than my carry during a gank/countergank, being able to consume a creep and shug a health pot so I can survive or tank more hits while my ADC does the damage unhindered makes it worth it to me.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
November 22 2012 23:02 GMT
#3293
Guys I have a folder on a separate hard-drive where I save all of my recordings uncompressed. Is there a way to somehow compress an entire folder without having to do each recording individually?
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
Eiii
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2566 Posts
November 22 2012 23:04 GMT
#3294
...do you mean run a video compressor over all the videos in the folder in a batch operation, or like just compress the folder for storage?

If you're talking about the latter, I'd recommend 7-zip. Makes it easy to compress folders and gives you lots of control over the format and level of compression.
:3
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
November 22 2012 23:04 GMT
#3295
On November 23 2012 08:02 HazMat wrote:
Guys I have a folder on a separate hard-drive where I save all of my recordings uncompressed. Is there a way to somehow compress an entire folder without having to do each recording individually?

Do you record with fraps or just xplit?
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-22 23:10:40
November 22 2012 23:06 GMT
#3296
On November 23 2012 08:04 Eiii wrote:
...do you mean run a video compressor over all the videos in the folder in a batch operation, or like just compress the folder for storage?

If you're talking about the latter, I'd recommend 7-zip. Makes it easy to compress folders and gives you lots of control over the format and level of compression.

The former. Aka I'm too lazy to do 100 videos separably.
I use Fraps.
Feel free to just PM me if you want to help so we don't clog up the thread. The thing is I just left all my recordings uncompressed in a spare harddrive I had and when I made a montage I would render that montage so I could upload it. So I don't really use any encoding software because I'm a technological noob. Now I could just delete them all but I'd rather archive them for now.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
November 22 2012 23:07 GMT
#3297
My saddest moment was when I was support nunu, grabbed consume mid fight when my jungler was ganking for us. Go to eat the closest minion which would have given us a 2 for 0 excange...my jungler for some reason autos the creep, killing it eith red buff the moment before my q animation goes off. I die a noble death.

Saddest day for a yeti.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
November 22 2012 23:16 GMT
#3298
On November 23 2012 07:47 OutlaW- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 07:34 BluzMan wrote:
On November 23 2012 07:26 PrinceXizor wrote:
You should have the option of displaying your s2 ELO rank or not


Won't fix anything. If you're not displaying it, you're probably hiding something. Those brackets need to go.

Still, the Nunu question stands. I have no idea how to play with him because I mostly pick "safe" ad's and work to dominate the lategame and maybe do some harass but rarely commit to killing. I don't know if it's just my picks, my playstyle or if Nunu is actually a terrible support in most lanes.

Nunu is like the Vayne of supports. Terrible early game but scales really well. Nunu loses like loses like every lane except maybe against blitz but his Bloodboil is basically a free item for your AD which makes him really fucking useful. He also is a big threat in teamfights because of his ultimate, and his Iceball slow is fucking huge. I hate playing against Nunu and I love when I have a Nunu on my team. I have no idea what you mean by your playstyle. Kogmaw and Vayne, 2 of the best late game ADs, are the best ADs to combine with Nunu.
Also, if everybody just hides their border, then it's solved. Just because somebody is hiding something doesn't mean anything.


I think Janna is a lot more comparable to Vayne than Nunu. Like, yeah, his blood boil is pretty nifty come late game. But his consume and ult are reallyyyyy situationally useful (and in most situations, come late game, his ult and consume are useless). Janna has a very mediocre lane phase and is still the best support late game. Who gives a shit if Nunu has blood boil when you have a knock up, slow, shield that also functions as an AD steroid, and the best team fight ult of any of the supports so long as you use it properly.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
November 22 2012 23:19 GMT
#3299
On November 23 2012 08:16 overt wrote:
and the best team fight ult of any of the supports so long as you use it properly.

Wait for Nami's. Damn, that thing's range...
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
November 22 2012 23:22 GMT
#3300
On November 23 2012 08:19 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 08:16 overt wrote:
and the best team fight ult of any of the supports so long as you use it properly.

Wait for Nami's. Damn, that thing's range...


I haven't even looked at Nami's kit. But something tells me that we'll see her in the solo lane or jungle role and then she'll get nerfed before we see her played as a proper support.
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