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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 27 2012 03:42 GMT
#1381
On October 27 2012 12:38 schmutttt wrote:
Why did swain fall out of favour so much top lane? I thought he was really good vs a lot of bruisers and seems like he'd be good vs malphite as well.

Gapclosers. Gapclosers everywhere. Also burst damage and the power creep that is such that Swain doesn't fare as well pre-6 and building RoA (or even catalyst) first in top lane is a risky play.

Add in that he contributes less to teamfights and AoE than Kennen and Vlad, who aren't that bad at skirmishes either (I'd argue that before mid/late Swain's better than Vlad thanks to cc), and there aren't that many reasons to want him in particular in a teamcomp. Plus it's double AP then in most cases, which isn't too condoned by the meta (and he lacks burst to go with Skarner, ask MoonBear).
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
FR4CT4L
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia697 Posts
October 27 2012 03:45 GMT
#1382
Woah hotshot playing swain :O I haven't seen that in a LONG time.
Veni, vidi, vici!
iKill[ShocK]
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Vietnam3530 Posts
October 27 2012 03:48 GMT
#1383
DAT BAIT
<3 Kim Taeyeon
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 27 2012 03:48 GMT
#1384
Orianna checking powers OP.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
October 27 2012 03:48 GMT
#1385
the CLG throws rofl, best calls
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 27 2012 03:50 GMT
#1386
Link stacking a lot of health on Irelia, second belt after that sunfire cape. What's the objective? They have Janna and Orianna shields, and Irelia likes resists better anyway.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Amethyst21
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada7032 Posts
October 27 2012 03:52 GMT
#1387
Wow awful fight from Meat playground
/On the C9 Hype Train/@DatFirefly
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-27 03:54:11
October 27 2012 03:52 GMT
#1388
Awful positioning. This is NOT how you use Orianna's ball...
Plus with baron gone, CLG won't even hesitate, they'll just push the bot inhib. In MP's stead, I wouldn't be pressed to fight unless CLG pressured the baron too much: let them dance around it, use Link to splitpush. They needed to make up the turrets/gold.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Deleted User 101379
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
4849 Posts
October 27 2012 03:53 GMT
#1389
Throw into counterthrow into countercounterthrow...
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 27 2012 03:57 GMT
#1390
That defense was actually quite good until Link and Inc ate that nevermove for no reason.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
October 27 2012 04:10 GMT
#1391
Where did the idea that Skarner works best with double AP originate anyways?
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
October 27 2012 04:14 GMT
#1392
Is it impossible to log in NA right now or is it just me?
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
October 27 2012 04:14 GMT
#1393
wow my league jsut absolutely disintegrated while i was legendary with irelia

it only happens during league, random graphic lockups and then the monitor completely loses video, leading to a restart of my pc and endless swearing
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
October 27 2012 04:14 GMT
#1394
On October 27 2012 13:14 Sufficiency wrote:
Is it impossible to log in NA right now or is it just me?


nope, same here
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
Haasts
Profile Joined October 2011
New Zealand4445 Posts
October 27 2012 04:15 GMT
#1395
On October 27 2012 13:10 Scip wrote:
Where did the idea that Skarner works best with double AP originate anyways?



http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=362492#Partthree
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
October 27 2012 04:17 GMT
#1396
On October 27 2012 13:10 Scip wrote:
Where did the idea that Skarner works best with double AP originate anyways?

Well, technically it works with double burst, and double ap offers best burst. It would work with mid AP and assassin top, as well. it's just assassin top has gone way out of favor.
liftlift > tsm
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-27 04:21:00
October 27 2012 04:19 GMT
#1397
On October 27 2012 13:10 Scip wrote:
Where did the idea that Skarner works best with double AP originate anyways?

Not double AP, I just mentioned the Skarner comp in passing. MoonBear explained in a review that what made (I think it was Frost's?) Skarner comp work was the fact that they built up a very bursty comp, so that in the timespan of Impale, the target would get blown-up. It stops being so effective once your primary targets get QSS obviously, so the comp has to abuse it in the midgame.
Double AP is easy to think about when you get told about a "very bursty midgame comp", but it's not the only one. AD carries like Graves or Sivir, tops like Olaf, Jax, Jayce, Rengar all are viable picks.
And since Swain doesn't really have a good burst (well it takes like 3+ seconds for him to output his damage, meaning twice Impale's duration, so it isn't that "bursty") he doesn't mesh well with that comp any more than he outperforms Kennen/Vlad/Cho in double AP comps, even if they were popular atm.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-27 04:22:51
October 27 2012 04:21 GMT
#1398
It just seems strange because I usually prefer to have someone with an initiating skills toplane, rather than a second AP. If I had to choose the best toplane for Skarner (not factoring in the enemy teamcomp) I would usually go for Malphite rather than someone like Vlad or Rumble or Swain or Diana.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
October 27 2012 04:25 GMT
#1399
Double AP don't necessarily do the most burst to single targets, top AP definitely doesn't do more burst to single target without ult. There's only like 3 viable AP tops. If your team of 5 champions can't burst down a single target after skarner ult then it's a focus issue or that you're too behind, has nothing to do with team comp. QSS is not that critical unless every carry on the other team has it. There are plenty of other occasions when skarner can't ult most notably when his team is too behind and ulting would be baiting a losing fight.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
October 27 2012 04:28 GMT
#1400
On October 27 2012 13:21 Scip wrote:
It just seems strange because I usually prefer to have someone with an initiating skills toplane, rather than a second AP. If I had to choose the best toplane for Skarner (not factoring in the enemy teamcomp) I would usually go for Malphite rather than someone like Vlad or Rumble or Swain or Diana.

You could definitely do it with Malph, so long as you can supplement the lack of damage (assuming you're wasting your ult for someone skarner ulted on). Like with Sivir/Graves/Corki/Ez.
liftlift > tsm
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