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Thereisnosaurus
Australia1822 Posts
Whatever the hell happened to Janna? nerfs to pretty much everything. It's the funniest thing, it seems like supports get THE most buffs and nerfs of any role and end up in this constant cycle of 2 or 3 that are on top (currently blitz/sona/nunu) and the rest that are still really good but don't get played at all, then a group of 2 or 3 that were OP a few months back until they got smashed in the face with the nerfbat (at the moment it's janna/soraka) | ||
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TheLink
Australia2725 Posts
Support though... Riot doesn't release support champs. Support builds don't change and there are only like half a dozen supports period so every pro plays all of them. The only way we change is Riot obliterates whoever's on top each month so we go through a cycle. Unfortunately it's only changed through nerfs so supports become steadily more and more irrelevent until now we're nearly just an AP mid without any gold and no late-game presence. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
I am not convinced that she is actually "bad". It's just that in LoL there are always OP champions to abuse (currently, Sona) so there is no need to play mediocre champions. | ||
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nyxnyxnyx
Indonesia2978 Posts
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Xayoz
Estonia373 Posts
Perhaps this time? With the latest change to her ult, she should at least beat Morgana. Still think they should somewhat buff the range on it. | ||
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Zhiroo
Kosovo2724 Posts
On October 25 2012 18:11 Nos- wrote: Whatever the hell happened to Janna? I still play her a bit but she has completely fallen off the face of the Earth in all my games Yeah I'm just gonna play Janna/Leona now. I love Janna, my favorite champion. And people play whatever pros play for some reason and Janna hasn't gotten too much play in the pro scene lately. | ||
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Thereisnosaurus
Australia1822 Posts
Support though... Riot doesn't release support champs. Support builds don't change and there are only like half a dozen supports period so every pro plays all of them. The only way we change is Riot obliterates whoever's on top each month so we go through a cycle. Unfortunately it's only changed through nerfs so supports become steadily more and more irrelevent until now we're nearly just an AP mid without any gold and no late-game presence. There are actually assloads of support champs, really viable ones too. raka, janna, taric, nunu, blitz, lulu, sona, leona, ali, zilean and then a bunch of rarer but still good niche ones like lux, zyra, kayle, nidalee. Really the only truly underpowered support is karma, and she still destroys things at low elo. The cycle is also about which AD's are in favour. We're seeing hypercarries come back into fashion recently, so it's likely the defensive/zoning supports like ali, taric and kayle may come back into fashion over the next couple of months alongside them. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On October 25 2012 18:33 Xayoz wrote: Üüh! Can't wait for the weekend - want to give Synda another go. Perhaps this time? With the latest change to her ult, she should at least beat Morgana. Still think they should somewhat buff the range on it. IMO Syndra could beat Morgana in lane with relative ease even before this upcoming patch, or at least stay even. But I feel that Morgana is infinitely more useful in teamfights than Syndra, so the question is how hard Syndra has to stomp Morgana in lane. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 25 2012 18:22 TheLink wrote: Support though... Riot doesn't release support champs. Support builds don't change and there are only like half a dozen supports period so every pro plays all of them. The only way we change is Riot obliterates whoever's on top each month so we go through a cycle. Unfortunately it's only changed through nerfs so supports become steadily more and more irrelevent until now we're nearly just an AP mid without any gold and no late-game presence. The simple fact is that Riot doesn't understand the support archetype enough. Just look at how many champs they designed that were intended to be supports but turned out to be better as another role. Then consider how many of the supports were initially designed to be another role and turned out to be better as supports. On October 25 2012 18:38 Thereisnosaurus wrote: There are actually assloads of support champs, really viable ones too. raka, janna, taric, nunu, blitz, lulu, sona, leona, ali, zilean and then a bunch of rarer but still good niche ones like lux, zyra, kayle, nidalee. Really the only truly underpowered support is karma, and she still destroys things at low elo. The cycle is also about which AD's are in favour. We're seeing hypercarries come back into fashion recently, so it's likely the defensive/zoning supports like ali, taric and kayle may come back into fashion over the next couple of months alongside them. Tell me what makes Zilean any more a support than Anivia. His farm demand due to having enormous mana requirements inhibits his abilities as a support--just like they inhibit Anivia's despite her having good utility. | ||
barbsq
United States5348 Posts
I think lux is a bit underrated as a support tho, imo. I actually feel like lux can beat sona pretty consistently, and in TL inhouses i've found her extremely effective against alistar and taric. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 25 2012 18:52 barbsq wrote: zilean was always a shit 0farm support imo. You literally get like 5 bombs in lane, and spend the rest of the game being a speed/slow/ult bot. I think lux is a bit underrated as a support tho, imo. I actually feel like lux can beat sona pretty consistently, and in TL inhouses i've found her extremely effective against alistar and taric. See, that would actually be fine if Zilean actually had the mana to cast multiple rounds of spells from base mana/mana costs. His itemization demand for mana is almost as Anivia's, which is what makes them bad supports. Their farm priority to function properly is simply too high, even though they otherwise have good utility. | ||
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ihasaKAROT
Netherlands4730 Posts
Sure from then on it you are getting more and more useless, but the ult is still pretty good. Its gonna be a thing, trust me  | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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Chexx
Korea (South)11232 Posts
Qualifier between mvp white and BBT | ||
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lastshadow
United States1372 Posts
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
On October 25 2012 19:17 lastshadow wrote: 좃밥 승빈이 화이팅 ~ Thank you for your kind words sir | ||
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Chexx
Korea (South)11232 Posts
좃밥 = MVP member 승빈 = MVP member 화이팅 = fighting 6:0 for bbt looks like lvl 1 invade went terrible wrong. I missed the start  | ||
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Chexx
Korea (South)11232 Posts
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Antyee
Hungary1011 Posts
On October 25 2012 19:07 Sufficiency wrote: Gosu pepper playing Karma support. http://www.solomid.net/livestream.php?s=536 It's not working at all. And he blames toplaner and the game for getting grabbed ~.~ | ||
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lastshadow
United States1372 Posts
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