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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
This community has become far too sensitive over flaming. OH NO! A PRO HURT SOMEONE'S FEELING! Better try and start a shitstorm on reddit! Everyone keeps saying oh, "act professionally". Do you guys even watch pro sports? Majority of those players are even less professional than LoL players. | ||
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Implenia
Austria3846 Posts
On October 31 2012 23:43 AsnSensation wrote: Its not really an incident for me, i assume he could pick before that eve and yeah i could beliebe it if a new lvl 12 player asked who froggen is but not a 2400 elo player especially because he says thta he ll post that shit in reddit where You can find one 'froggen big play' post once a day Fuck alex parker This sounds retarded Yeah and isnt supposed to mean pros>rest but yeah hes fucking froggen Thank you for this wonderful insight. On November 01 2012 02:17 wei2coolman wrote: I don't even understand what the big deal about froggen flaming is >.> This community has become far too sensitive over flaming. OH NO! A PRO HURT SOMEONE'S FEELING! Better try and start a shitstorm on reddit! Everyone keeps saying oh, "act professionally". Do you guys even watch pro sports? Majority of those players are even less professional than LoL players. Uh.. yeah in professional sport you get fined. That's what happens. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On November 01 2012 02:15 seRapH wrote: I would say exactly this. You can tell what kind of player someone is just by checking their rank stats like this lol. People with high kills per game generally have high deaths per game. The opposite is also true. I would say I'm more of a passive player (generally just like farming and harassing rather than diving or dueling), but I feel like with many if not most solo-queue players being really aggressive (or one side just better than the other and getting a lot of kills), a passive, get-farm-and-don't-feed playstyle can't contribute as much since they're not getting big chunks of gold from kills. Yes, deaths only ~= 12 CS or so, but when someone is 10/3, they're having much more of an impact than the 1/1/0 guy with more farm. Especially, I feel, when I'm playing someone like Cait, who is more of a passive farmer and harasser, but doesn't have a big mid-game presence until she gets IE/PD. I feel around that ~20 minute mark, when I have highest farm but few kills, I'm not contributing as much as I could if I was playing Ez or Graves and being aggressive and getting kills. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On November 01 2012 02:03 Requizen wrote: If I'm trying to improve in solo queue, is it better to make risky, but possibly rewarding plays or to play safe? I feel that if I play safe and do well, I generally can't carry hard enough (solo queue being what it is) since I'm not making aggressive plays and getting fed. On the other hand, making aggressive plays sometimes leads to deaths (occasionally many, admittedly), which isn't good and can lower morale (and by that I mean incite flaming and shitstorms). When you're trying to improve and play well, how do you handle it? Try and make (potentially catastrophic) plays and be the hero, or play cautiously and try not to start rage? It sounds like you're trying to improve your Elo, rather than your abilities, as otherwise the rage/flaming of your allies would be almost completely irrelevant. The truth is that unless your lane is a blowout in either direction carrying in solo queue has very little to do with the laning phase. At some point you've probably played a lane where you had a significant advantage, only to have your opponent prey on your other lanes and come back to win the game. That's carrying, and it doesn't require anything other than the game sense to be in the right place at the right time taking the right course of action. | ||
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Abenson
Canada4122 Posts
On November 01 2012 02:17 wei2coolman wrote: I don't even understand what the big deal about froggen flaming is >.> This community has become far too sensitive over flaming. OH NO! A PRO HURT SOMEONE'S FEELING! Better try and start a shitstorm on reddit! Everyone keeps saying oh, "act professionally". Do you guys even watch pro sports? Majority of those players are even less professional than LoL players. So just because he's froggen he's suddenly allowed to flame anyone in his games? I think it's ok for pro players to rage - it's something everyone does. But we shouldn't just rush to their defense just because he's a pro player. It's like someone famous spitting gum on the sidewalk. It's not the right thing to do, but a lot of people do it so we shouldn't try to crucify for him. But we shouldn't just instantly assume it's ok for said famous person to do it just because he's famous. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On November 01 2012 02:03 Requizen wrote: If I'm trying to improve in solo queue, is it better to make risky, but possibly rewarding plays or to play safe? I feel that if I play safe and do well, I generally can't carry hard enough (solo queue being what it is) since I'm not making aggressive plays and getting fed. On the other hand, making aggressive plays sometimes leads to deaths (occasionally many, admittedly), which isn't good and can lower morale (and by that I mean incite flaming and shitstorms). When you're trying to improve and play well, how do you handle it? Try and make (potentially catastrophic) plays and be the hero, or play cautiously and try not to start rage? Risky plays push limits, allow you to figure out what went wrong and why. Risky plays might be safe play when your calculation skills improve. The only issue is it forms into a habit and you will do lots of crazy shit. | ||
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Abenson
Canada4122 Posts
On November 01 2012 02:03 Requizen wrote: If I'm trying to improve in solo queue, is it better to make risky, but possibly rewarding plays or to play safe? I feel that if I play safe and do well, I generally can't carry hard enough (solo queue being what it is) since I'm not making aggressive plays and getting fed. On the other hand, making aggressive plays sometimes leads to deaths (occasionally many, admittedly), which isn't good and can lower morale (and by that I mean incite flaming and shitstorms). When you're trying to improve and play well, how do you handle it? Try and make (potentially catastrophic) plays and be the hero, or play cautiously and try not to start rage? Assuming you prioritize improving at LoL over your elo, you should be trying out all sorts of plays. That way you get more experience and the next time you see a similar situation you will know whether you are capable of coming out on top or not. | ||
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Gaslo
Finland951 Posts
This community has become far too sensitive over flaming. IMHO the community is not clearly sensitive enough when it comes to flaming. I dont understand why its so hard to build this community on positive stuff, not "get cancer" talk. :< | ||
FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
so i fp'd jungle maokai, which i've never played, and just camped his lane. 30 minutes later he's got 25 kills and it's so over. ridiculously fun game lol | ||
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Badboyrune
Sweden2247 Posts
On November 01 2012 02:30 Abenson wrote: So just because he's froggen he's suddenly allowed to flame anyone in his games? I think it's ok for pro players to rage - it's something everyone does. But we shouldn't just rush to their defense just because he's a pro player. It's like someone famous spitting gum on the sidewalk. It's not the right thing to do, but a lot of people do it so we shouldn't try to crucify for him. But we shouldn't just instantly assume it's ok for said famous person to do it just because he's famous. I dont think that many are saying that what he did is ok. The issue is rather that it seems quite silly to go on a witch hunt for a guy that generally behaves quite good who lost it once and rage when every other popular pro streamer does this kind of stuff regularly. If they really got upset about people raging there would be nothing but 'omg this streamer is a douchebag' on reddit. Instead there's just one of a player that's usually quite well behaved. So no what Froggen did wasn't ok, but it wasn't very different from what other streamers do daily. If people are upset about people raging they would do better to go after the people who do this stuff regularly. But they don't, because they just want something to rage about themself. Irony is fun. And also, fuck reddit. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On November 01 2012 02:36 Gaslo wrote: IMHO the community is not clearly sensitive enough when it comes to flaming. I dont understand why its so hard to build this community on positive stuff, not "get cancer" talk. :< The league community would honestly be a lot better without reddit. It's the worst source of drama. Imagine if we didn't have reddit, no one would really care about Froggen flaming some random guy in one game. No one would really care about Dyrus. Even when we've talked about drama on TL it's been relatively civil. On reddit it's basically a ton of people shit talking pro players or teams non-stop and getting worked up over the smallest shit. Compared to what the pro players were like a year or so ago the stuff Froggen said in that one game was nothing compared to some of the shit Hotshot or ocelote used to pull on a daily basis. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On November 01 2012 02:26 Seuss wrote: It sounds like you're trying to improve your Elo, rather than your abilities, as otherwise the rage/flaming of your allies would be almost completely irrelevant. I think we've had this discussion before, but I still view these as one and the same. If my abilities improve, I will play better and win more, and therefore my ELO will improve. There's nothing wrong with enjoying validation of a visual representation of your progress. But ELO is in the end inconsequential, just a nice way to see how you're doing (carrying enough games to rise 100 ELO is always a nice feeling, for example). The truth is that unless your lane is a blowout in either direction carrying in solo queue has very little to do with the laning phase. At some point you've probably played a lane where you had a significant advantage, only to have your opponent prey on your other lanes and come back to win the game. That's carrying, and it doesn't require anything other than the game sense to be in the right place at the right time taking the right course of action. It may just be my personal experience, but a lot of times in the lower ELOs, roaming doesn't count for nearly as many kills as one laner getting ahead and his opponent not knowing how to play against it. But it could be just me :\ | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
On November 01 2012 02:36 Gaslo wrote: IMHO the community is not clearly sensitive enough when it comes to flaming. I dont understand why its so hard to build this community on positive stuff, not "get cancer" talk. :< It is very difficult to make people prone to raging change their attitude/behavoir, while it is comparatively simple to just stop caring. It's the easiest way to ease the tension. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On November 01 2012 02:43 Scip wrote: It is very difficult to make people prone to raging change their attitude/behavoir, while it is comparatively simple to just stop caring. It's the easiest way to ease the tension. To add to this, people who rage are people who are either angry or just trolling you. If they're angry it doesn't excuse their behavior and they need to learn to not get angry at a video game. But they're gonna act irrational and not listen to reason because they're already angry. If they're trolling you then you're giving them exactly what they want by arguing with them. So yeah, it's pretty much always best to ignore it or to not care. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On November 01 2012 00:24 Dan HH wrote: Time to move on to happier thoughts, we have 3 LAN tournaments this weekend - MLG Dallas, IEF 2012 (Spoiler: WE will win) and Asus RoG PGW. I can't watch any of those, I'm too scared of Froggen the bully. At the moment I'm contacting CLG.eu's sponsors to tell them about how bad this guy is, and that if it continue I might sue him for being such a bad influence on me. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
[QUOTE]On November 01 2012 02:18 Implenia wrote: [QUOTE]On October 31 2012 23:43 AsnSensation wrote: Its not really an incident for me, i assume he could pick before that eve and yeah i could beliebe it if a new lvl 12 player asked who froggen is but not a 2400 elo player especially because he says thta he ll post that shit in reddit where You can find one 'froggen big play' post once a day Fuck alex parker This sounds retarded Yeah and isnt supposed to mean pros>rest but yeah hes fucking froggen[/QUOTE] Thank you for this wonderful insight. np since you have nothing to contribute either and I guess you dont even know what exactly has been discussed, you can go back to Dota2 forums now. | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21242 Posts
On November 01 2012 02:42 overt wrote: The league community would honestly be a lot better without reddit. It's the worst source of drama. Imagine if we didn't have reddit, no one would really care about Froggen flaming some random guy in one game. No one would really care about Dyrus. Even when we've talked about drama on TL it's been relatively civil. On reddit it's basically a ton of people shit talking pro players or teams non-stop and getting worked up over the smallest shit. Compared to what the pro players were like a year or so ago the stuff Froggen said in that one game was nothing compared to some of the shit Hotshot or ocelote used to pull on a daily basis. reddit is like the best league site dont be jealous funniest shit happens on reddit and dont lie every single one of you here browses reddit anyways lol | ||
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Antyee
Hungary1011 Posts
On November 01 2012 02:55 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: reddit is like the best league site dont be jealous funniest shit happens on reddit and dont lie every single one of you here browses reddit anyways lol http://www.reddit.com/r/firstworldanarchists/ best. | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On November 01 2012 02:55 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: reddit is like the best league site dont be jealous funniest shit happens on reddit and dont lie every single one of you here browses reddit anyways lol Yeah I love reddit. There are many funny things going down there, but what I don't like are people who gets upsets for no reasons. It's boring. Part of this community just love the drama for the drama, they need it or something. Laughing at someone fapping on stream is good, but arguing about the effect it have on e-sport and whatnot is... well. | ||
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