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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-10 15:52:42
April 10 2012 15:47 GMT
#4861
I assume this might go in the QQ thread, but there are just some champs that I refuse to play because they're gay as fuck to play against and I have too much respect for myself and my fellow players to do that to them. I will never play Trynd, Sion, Zilean, Morg, Rumble, or Shaco in any real amount because every time I see them on the screen it just makes me think, "Well fuck you too guy."

Edit: Oh, and fuck Yorick in top lane too. He's balanced, sure, but too annoying for me to care about balance when talking about.
It's your boy Guzma!
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-10 15:49:23
April 10 2012 15:47 GMT
#4862
You cant reomve a champ for being weak though. Gets to be WAY too bad a precident. If you remove Eve, do you remove Kat? Do you remove Karma? How bout someone no one plays like Teemo?
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
April 10 2012 15:50 GMT
#4863
On April 11 2012 00:47 Two_DoWn wrote:
You cant reomve a champ for being weak though. Gets to be WAY too bad a precident. If you remove Eve, do you remove Kat? Do you remove Karma? How bout someone no one plays like Teemo?

Riot should disable exhaust too because it promotes lazy people playing.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
April 10 2012 15:53 GMT
#4864
On April 11 2012 00:47 Two_DoWn wrote:
You cant reomve a champ for being weak though. Gets to be WAY too bad a precident. If you remove Eve, do you remove Kat? Do you remove Karma? How bout someone no one plays like Teemo?


I think what he means is remove her from ranked and then buff her so he can still have fun? I don't know sounds dodgy
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
April 10 2012 15:56 GMT
#4865
On April 11 2012 00:53 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2012 00:47 Two_DoWn wrote:
You cant reomve a champ for being weak though. Gets to be WAY too bad a precident. If you remove Eve, do you remove Kat? Do you remove Karma? How bout someone no one plays like Teemo?


I think what he means is remove her from ranked and then buff her so he can still have fun? I don't know sounds dodgy

It just cant work. All those champs are considered weak in ranked. Hell, Soniv STILL gets yelled at for picking viktor. How do you say "X champion is to weak for ranked and picking him is pretty much ensuring that the other team will win."

People would move from demanding eve be removed from ranked to other champs too. When in reality, although Eve IS the only unviable champion in the game, every other champ is perfectly viable. So people would use the one unviable champ to push for the removal of perfectly viable ones.

Only there is no way to PROVE that one champ is unviable while the rest are viable.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
April 10 2012 15:59 GMT
#4866
On April 11 2012 00:47 Requizen wrote:
I assume this might go in the QQ thread, but there are just some champs that I refuse to play because they're gay as fuck to play against and I have too much respect for myself and my fellow players to do that to them. I will never play Trynd, Sion, Zilean, Morg, Rumble, or Shaco in any real amount because every time I see them on the screen it just makes me think, "Well fuck you too guy."

Edit: Oh, and fuck Yorick in top lane too. He's balanced, sure, but too annoying for me to care about balance when talking about.

I have that attitude as well but a completely different set of champions I apply it to, except Yorick, 'cause fuck that guy. Not fun to play OR play against.

Vayne used to be on my no-play list but the million nerfs helped bring her down in my eyes. Vlad is on my list, still don't own him. I forget who else. As far as Shaco goes, the fun of playing him certainly outweighs the 'anti-fun' it is to play against him. I suggest trying him out sometime.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
April 10 2012 16:02 GMT
#4867
On April 11 2012 00:47 Two_DoWn wrote:
You cant reomve a champ for being weak though. Gets to be WAY too bad a precident. If you remove Eve, do you remove Kat? Do you remove Karma? How bout someone no one plays like Teemo?


Is there any other character in the game that Riot has openly admitted they have intentionally nerfed to be plain bad? There are red posts that straight up say we made Eve intentionally bad until the stealth rework comes out.
Carrilord has arrived.
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
April 10 2012 16:04 GMT
#4868
Well, while we're discussing this, why not just remove the newest champions from ranked until the next patch? That way, overpowered champions don't clog up the ranked games and force everyone to ban the new champion all the time. I know people would want to play the new champ, but figuring out a new champion doesn't really sound like the mentality you would have if you were trying to raise your ELO.
/人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\ Make a contract with me and join TLADT | Onodera isn't actually a girl, she's just a doormat you walk over to get to the girl. - Numy 2015
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
April 10 2012 16:13 GMT
#4869
On April 11 2012 01:04 Zergneedsfood wrote:
Well, while we're discussing this, why not just remove the newest champions from ranked until the next patch? That way, overpowered champions don't clog up the ranked games and force everyone to ban the new champion all the time. I know people would want to play the new champ, but figuring out a new champion doesn't really sound like the mentality you would have if you were trying to raise your ELO.


I do like at least a 2 week ranked ban upon introduction because:

1. Its cheesy because only you know how to evaluate trades.
2. Riot's internal balancing is rubbish.
Freeeeeeedom
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
April 10 2012 16:15 GMT
#4870
On April 11 2012 00:59 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2012 00:47 Requizen wrote:
I assume this might go in the QQ thread, but there are just some champs that I refuse to play because they're gay as fuck to play against and I have too much respect for myself and my fellow players to do that to them. I will never play Trynd, Sion, Zilean, Morg, Rumble, or Shaco in any real amount because every time I see them on the screen it just makes me think, "Well fuck you too guy."

Edit: Oh, and fuck Yorick in top lane too. He's balanced, sure, but too annoying for me to care about balance when talking about.

I have that attitude as well but a completely different set of champions I apply it to, except Yorick, 'cause fuck that guy. Not fun to play OR play against.

Vayne used to be on my no-play list but the million nerfs helped bring her down in my eyes. Vlad is on my list, still don't own him. I forget who else. As far as Shaco goes, the fun of playing him certainly outweighs the 'anti-fun' it is to play against him. I suggest trying him out sometime.

I actually have him, but I generally don't like assassin characters as it is. I just refuse to try and get better with him specifically because I hate what he stands for
It's your boy Guzma!
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
April 10 2012 16:19 GMT
#4871
They've purposely nerfed pantheon into oblivion before just cause he's so hard to balance. I still remember smash'a drawing of panth parachuting down slowly while in a wheelchair lol
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
greggy
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom1483 Posts
April 10 2012 16:21 GMT
#4872
What's wrong or unfun about trynd, zilean or rumble? None of them are the yorick level of bullshit.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-10 16:24:18
April 10 2012 16:23 GMT
#4873
On April 11 2012 01:21 greggy wrote:
What's wrong or unfun about trynd, zilean or rumble? None of them are the yorick level of bullshit.

This is why zileans unfun
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trynds ult and crit mechanics are both annoying as fuck, and rumbles just unfun to play against in general
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22307 Posts
April 10 2012 16:36 GMT
#4874
Banning new champions from ranked for a week or 2 would cost riot a lot of money and as such will not happen.
Id wager a lot of people buy new champions and try them out right away often in ranked, yet would not do so if they had seen others play the champion for 2 weeks in normal only to learn some random ability isnt OP like they thought ect.

Riot would lose a lot of impulse buys if they banned new champions from ranked.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
April 10 2012 16:37 GMT
#4875
I hate how champs have these things called abilities that I actually need to play against.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-10 16:45:52
April 10 2012 16:45 GMT
#4876
On April 11 2012 01:37 BlackPaladin wrote:
I hate how champs have these things called abilities that I actually need to play against.

Lol, I just hate how some are way more annoying than others. Zil gets basically free harass and amazing protection, so does Rumble and Yorick with harass, Yorick also gets to block skillshots with an army and double his Vayne, and you have to base your entire post-6 laning/roaming phase around whether or not Trynd has his ult up. I'm not saying any of them need to be removed, I just dislike them from a preferential standpoint.
It's your boy Guzma!
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
April 10 2012 16:48 GMT
#4877
On April 11 2012 01:45 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2012 01:37 BlackPaladin wrote:
I hate how champs have these things called abilities that I actually need to play against.

Lol, I just hate how some are way more annoying than others. Zil gets basically free harass and amazing protection, so does Rumble and Yorick with harass, Yorick also gets to block skillshots with an army and double his Vayne, and you have to base your entire post-6 laning/roaming phase around whether or not Trynd has his ult up. I'm not saying any of them need to be removed, I just dislike them from a preferential standpoint.

Zil is a no mana cd based champion now?
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
0123456789
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3216 Posts
April 10 2012 16:51 GMT
#4878
Orianna needs a buff. However, once Orianna gets a buff, every1 will start using her, making Orianna lose her appeal. Orianna's spells take up way too much mana, even at early levels, making her laning phase really passive and really weak even if you go agressive. She is strong vs people who go into auto attack range so that orianna can use her passive, but except for ryze, no1 goes into autoattack range.
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-10 16:53:14
April 10 2012 16:52 GMT
#4879
On April 11 2012 00:56 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2012 00:53 Numy wrote:
On April 11 2012 00:47 Two_DoWn wrote:
You cant reomve a champ for being weak though. Gets to be WAY too bad a precident. If you remove Eve, do you remove Kat? Do you remove Karma? How bout someone no one plays like Teemo?


I think what he means is remove her from ranked and then buff her so he can still have fun? I don't know sounds dodgy

It just cant work. All those champs are considered weak in ranked. Hell, Soniv STILL gets yelled at for picking viktor. How do you say "X champion is to weak for ranked and picking him is pretty much ensuring that the other team will win."

People would move from demanding eve be removed from ranked to other champs too. When in reality, although Eve IS the only unviable champion in the game, every other champ is perfectly viable. So people would use the one unviable champ to push for the removal of perfectly viable ones.

Only there is no way to PROVE that one champ is unviable while the rest are viable.


Riot has already said that if your team reports you for your champion pick (given that you went for something unusual) it's your fault for not picking something they liked or convincing them otherwise. So yeah, picking anything that isn't FOTM is technically a bannable offense as long as your team is mad about it. No proof needed. Just goes to show how stupid the code can be.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
greggy
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom1483 Posts
April 10 2012 16:54 GMT
#4880
What they need to do is make heroes unavailable for general play for about a month but you could buy it + 1 skin for RP only. That'd make it fair for everyone.
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