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Same rules apply, per usual. Please use the appropriate threads (QQ, Brag, Champion, etc) whenever appropriate. Keep the resident Banling content.

Thanks. Happy Gaming.
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-19 22:06:07
March 19 2012 22:05 GMT
#4761
On March 20 2012 07:01 Two_DoWn wrote:
I just dont think there are many good MR items. You have wits for bruisers, Abyssal for Casters, and what else really?


qss. also svisage is better than I think most ppl give it credit for, tho it's def a niche item

edit: and chalice i think falls in the same category as svisage, tho I think it's even more situational.
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
March 19 2012 22:05 GMT
#4762
Force of nature is very good on maokai.
dooraven
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia2820 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-19 22:06:24
March 19 2012 22:05 GMT
#4763
Banshees I guess, but thats a pretty mediocre item atm.

QSS is very nice for it's price though.FoN and SV are good yeah
Go go Alliance.
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
March 19 2012 22:07 GMT
#4764
I think it's very hard to go wrong with QSS on bruisers (or anyone really) as long as you're able to force a peel. Probably not particularly great for Maokai.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
March 19 2012 22:10 GMT
#4765
Anything that builds out of Negatron. None of them are universally useful, but unless you actually don't need MR there's one for every occasion.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Zhiroo
Profile Joined February 2011
Kosovo2724 Posts
March 19 2012 22:11 GMT
#4766
Has something that I don't know happened today? In all my games I've seen a Vladimir today.
LoL EuW: Zhiroo - By starting this squabble you've proven nothing but how vast your stupidity is.
ManyCookies
Profile Joined December 2010
1164 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-19 22:14:00
March 19 2012 22:11 GMT
#4767
Banshee's just doesn't have as much versatility as QSS does, though it is more efficient slot-wise. QSS can't be popped by poke, for one.

In all my games I've seen a Vladimir today.


Just a versatile and strong champion. Good laning after Revolver, great midgame, good teamfight, good duelist.


Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
March 19 2012 22:16 GMT
#4768
Meh, what I WANT is an item that builds off of Negatron that has a kindlegem, gives CDR, health, and MR, and has an active that does something useful.

Dunno what atm. Still too sick to think.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
March 19 2012 22:18 GMT
#4769
On March 20 2012 07:16 Two_DoWn wrote:
Meh, what I WANT is an item that builds off of Negatron that has a kindlegem, gives CDR, health, and MR, and has an active that does something useful.

Dunno what atm. Still too sick to think.

Reflects the next spell! The imbalance, but the fun.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
ManyCookies
Profile Joined December 2010
1164 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-19 22:27:33
March 19 2012 22:24 GMT
#4770
How would that work for skillshots or AoE spells? How about it copies the next non-ultimate spell/projectile that hits you, which you can then use (by using the item again) within the next few seconds.

A looooot of abuse potential, but might make for some fun plays.
StUfF
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia1437 Posts
March 19 2012 22:33 GMT
#4771
On March 20 2012 07:11 Zhiroo wrote:
Has something that I don't know happened today? In all my games I've seen a Vladimir today.


Dyrus has been playing Vlad alot for TSM.
Most notably Fatality finals where I think he played all 3 games of the finals as.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-19 22:34:48
March 19 2012 22:33 GMT
#4772
I was thinking of starting a thread that summarizes the various arguments and information on common topics that are brought up, so we could just refer back to it instead of burning a few GD pages whenever they come up.

For example:

- What is a tank?
- Armor Pen vs Flat AD marks
- gp10 vs Dorans
- Does elo hell exist?

I would represent all well reasoned analyses of the topics to the best of my ability - it'll be like a FAQ. Unfortunately I'm far too lazy to actually find the past discussions on these topics - one reason they come up repeatedly is that it's really hard to look back to when we were talking about them.

So, here's what I'll do: If you link me to past discussions on these topics, or any others that come up constantly, I'll be happy to summarize them and make sure there's a clear overview available. Once I have a few of these I'll make a thread.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
March 19 2012 22:36 GMT
#4773
You should add a section for "Shit T_D says is OP" so i can refer to it in future GD's.


BTW: Im takin credit for Olaf, even if it is mostly top lane atm.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-19 22:40:12
March 19 2012 22:37 GMT
#4774
On March 20 2012 07:16 Two_DoWn wrote:
Meh, what I WANT is an item that builds off of Negatron that has a kindlegem, gives CDR, health, and MR, and has an active that does something useful.

Dunno what atm. Still too sick to think.


And I want a pony champion.

I don't really see the purpose your hypothetical item serves except to crowd MR itemization and make Spirit Visage (a highly underrated item) obsolete.

On March 20 2012 07:36 Two_DoWn wrote:
You should add a section for "Shit T_D says is OP" so i can refer to it in future GD's.


BTW: Im takin credit for Olaf, even if it is mostly top lane atm.


Your shotgun approach to prognostication continues to yield something almost but not quite like results.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-19 22:37:34
March 19 2012 22:37 GMT
#4775
On March 20 2012 07:36 Two_DoWn wrote:
You should add a section for "Shit T_D says is OP" so i can refer to it in future GD's.


BTW: Im takin credit for Olaf, even if it is mostly top lane atm.


id rather not have a list of every champion and item in the game
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-19 22:43:38
March 19 2012 22:42 GMT
#4776
On March 20 2012 07:37 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2012 07:16 Two_DoWn wrote:
Meh, what I WANT is an item that builds off of Negatron that has a kindlegem, gives CDR, health, and MR, and has an active that does something useful.

Dunno what atm. Still too sick to think.


And I want a pony champion.

I don't really see the purpose your hypothetical item serves except to crowd MR itemization and make Spirit Visage (a highly underrated item) obsolete.

Show nested quote +
On March 20 2012 07:36 Two_DoWn wrote:
You should add a section for "Shit T_D says is OP" so i can refer to it in future GD's.


BTW: Im takin credit for Olaf, even if it is mostly top lane atm.


Your shotgun approach to prognostication continues to yield something almost but not quite like results.

hmm, good point. They should remake SV to be a late game item instead of a midgame one, especially since wits is better.

And I do NOT have a shotgun approach. Who have I called sleeper op besides Olaf, Shyvana, Kennen, and Morgana? And Annie technically as well I guess. But she is just underused.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
March 19 2012 22:43 GMT
#4777
On March 20 2012 07:42 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2012 07:37 Seuss wrote:
On March 20 2012 07:16 Two_DoWn wrote:
Meh, what I WANT is an item that builds off of Negatron that has a kindlegem, gives CDR, health, and MR, and has an active that does something useful.

Dunno what atm. Still too sick to think.


And I want a pony champion.

I don't really see the purpose your hypothetical item serves except to crowd MR itemization and make Spirit Visage (a highly underrated item) obsolete.

On March 20 2012 07:36 Two_DoWn wrote:
You should add a section for "Shit T_D says is OP" so i can refer to it in future GD's.


BTW: Im takin credit for Olaf, even if it is mostly top lane atm.


Your shotgun approach to prognostication continues to yield something almost but not quite like results.

hmm, good point. They should remake SV to be a late game item instead of a midgame one, especially since wits is better.

And I do NOT have a shotgun approach. Who have I called sleeper op besides Olaf, Shyvana, Kennen, and Morgana?


On March 20 2012 07:37 UniversalSnip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2012 07:36 Two_DoWn wrote:
You should add a section for "Shit T_D says is OP" so i can refer to it in future GD's.


BTW: Im takin credit for Olaf, even if it is mostly top lane atm.


id rather not have a list of every champion and item in the game

"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
danana
Profile Joined March 2011
United States321 Posts
March 19 2012 22:44 GMT
#4778
That reminds me that I've been wanting to ask about support items but really don't want to bring up the gp10 vs dorans debate again. So I guess I can frame it this way: how do you follow up on a standard gp10 opening as a support? I'm sure it varies depending on the situation but I'm curious how you go about deciding which items are most important next.

From my experience, after getting philo, hog if i can get it early, and lvl 1 boots (obviously buying wards throughout and possibly getting oracles), I'm looking to get one or two out of...
- lvl 2 boots
- Shurelya's Reverie
- Randuin's
- Aegis
- Zeke's Herald

The rule of thumb I've been following (it feels good, but I have no clue if it's actually good) is to build either heart of gold or aegis before shurelya's, picking hog if i can get it before 15 minutes and avoiding aegis if someone else already got it. I don't mind doubling up on shurelya's or randuin's, but i'd only get randuin's when they have multiple bruisers diving my carry.

But I find it really hard to look at a teamfight and know whether it would have gone better if I had bought a different item, because there are so many factors and each item contributes in a very different way.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
March 19 2012 22:45 GMT
#4779
Actual words are helpful when trying to make a counter-statement.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
March 19 2012 22:48 GMT
#4780
sorry td but he got u mang loooooooooool
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