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Kyhron
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States945 Posts
December 06 2011 14:52 GMT
#2561
bear is scary when his passive is up and hes got a ton of health, but if his passive isnt up hes not much of a threat generally from what ive noticed
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
December 06 2011 15:15 GMT
#2562
does the one who kills the minion get the full xp? ie, your entire team can be doing blue but if jungler smites it he gets full xp now?
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
ManyCookies
Profile Joined December 2010
1164 Posts
December 06 2011 15:18 GMT
#2563
Neo is on Doublelift's stream.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
December 06 2011 15:31 GMT
#2564
Neo used to be on jiji stream when he was stuck in 1400 elo or so:p
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
December 06 2011 15:47 GMT
#2565
Bear is very strong, he feels kind of like Singed with Ult as passive, but not as good, plus nice burst. He really has more of the feel of a "single target tank", as you can basically royally fuck someone's day up with QEW into your group, but his AoE damage and threat are low. He's a good tank for teams that focus one target at a time, you're better off with someone like Amumu or Galio for AoE comps.

On another topic, how long do we have to wait for the next champ sneak peek? Isn't it usually up by now?
It's your boy Guzma!
Hynda
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden2226 Posts
December 06 2011 15:47 GMT
#2566
On December 06 2011 22:37 Slayer91 wrote:
Shushei always trolling in solo queue, you guys just never watched him play before he got famous, lol. I played against him doing stuff like solo lane fiddle and generally doing awful at it. Then I turn on his stream and he's going sword of the occult tears ashe and like 0/8 getting carried because "it's his lucky ashe build". Heh.
He plays consistently stupid builds and heroes now aswell. But he at least enjoys the game and acts like he enjoys the game. Even when playing poor hero combinations he very rarely is the reason for a loss and he ALWAYS radiates the fact that league of legends is fun. Something I havn't seen any of the American streamers do for like a year now.

It just feels like it's a job for them that has to be done to generate the revenue to live one, and that is probably true aswell. And I am in no way shape or form holding that against them.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
December 06 2011 15:51 GMT
#2567
On December 07 2011 00:47 Hynda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2011 22:37 Slayer91 wrote:
Shushei always trolling in solo queue, you guys just never watched him play before he got famous, lol. I played against him doing stuff like solo lane fiddle and generally doing awful at it. Then I turn on his stream and he's going sword of the occult tears ashe and like 0/8 getting carried because "it's his lucky ashe build". Heh.
He plays consistently stupid builds and heroes now aswell. But he at least enjoys the game and acts like he enjoys the game. Even when playing poor hero combinations he very rarely is the reason for a loss and he ALWAYS radiates the fact that league of legends is fun. Something I havn't seen any of the American streamers do for like a year now.

It just feels like it's a job for them that has to be done to generate the revenue to live one, and that is probably true aswell. And I am in no way shape or form holding that against them.

You should watch Saint, Dan Dinh or Salce more. Saint has fun and makes no bones about it, and Dan seems to enjoy himself quite a bit, and he does weird shit that tends to work out. And salce is just the best NA ap carry.

Basically any good player normally streams with below 3k viewers. Is going to be free of your "oh this is just a business" phobia.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Sabin010
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1892 Posts
December 06 2011 15:58 GMT
#2568
What are some strong bot lanes that can destroy ad carry / support? I am interested in creating some unorthodox team compositions that can be used with friends in a 5 man queue.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
December 06 2011 16:03 GMT
#2569
annie/brand, taric/brand, zilean/whatever bombs OP lol. Pantheon/xin pant/leona/taric etc.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Hynda
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden2226 Posts
December 06 2011 16:03 GMT
#2570
On December 07 2011 00:58 Sabin010 wrote:
What are some strong bot lanes that can destroy ad carry / support? I am interested in creating some unorthodox team compositions that can be used with friends in a 5 man queue.

There is a reason ad carry and support is played there. But if you just want to "dominate the lane" ending up with a completly fucked up team, dubble ap usually does the trick.
AwayFromLife
Profile Joined August 2011
United States441 Posts
December 06 2011 16:06 GMT
#2571
What are the thoughts on Graves after his chain of nerfs? His short range is kind of wonky for an AD carry, but you want to be in close for QR anyway. He still seems very mobile and kinda bursty, but he doesn't feel as overwhelmingly scary as he did before. I've been holding off on playing him, sticking to Vayne, but I kind of want to try him again.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
December 06 2011 16:15 GMT
#2572
On December 07 2011 01:03 Hynda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2011 00:58 Sabin010 wrote:
What are some strong bot lanes that can destroy ad carry / support? I am interested in creating some unorthodox team compositions that can be used with friends in a 5 man queue.

There is a reason ad carry and support is played there. But if you just want to "dominate the lane" ending up with a completly fucked up team, dubble ap usually does the trick.


The reason is coordination. Honestly double AP bottom with an AD carry mid isn't all that crazy, it just requires better coordination.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Hynda
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden2226 Posts
December 06 2011 16:16 GMT
#2573
On December 07 2011 00:51 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2011 00:47 Hynda wrote:
On December 06 2011 22:37 Slayer91 wrote:
Shushei always trolling in solo queue, you guys just never watched him play before he got famous, lol. I played against him doing stuff like solo lane fiddle and generally doing awful at it. Then I turn on his stream and he's going sword of the occult tears ashe and like 0/8 getting carried because "it's his lucky ashe build". Heh.
He plays consistently stupid builds and heroes now aswell. But he at least enjoys the game and acts like he enjoys the game. Even when playing poor hero combinations he very rarely is the reason for a loss and he ALWAYS radiates the fact that league of legends is fun. Something I havn't seen any of the American streamers do for like a year now.

It just feels like it's a job for them that has to be done to generate the revenue to live one, and that is probably true aswell. And I am in no way shape or form holding that against them.

You should watch Saint, Dan Dinh or Salce more. Saint has fun and makes no bones about it, and Dan seems to enjoy himself quite a bit, and he does weird shit that tends to work out. And salce is just the best NA ap carry.

Basically any good player normally streams with below 3k viewers. Is going to be free of your "oh this is just a business" phobia.

SaintVicious is one of the worst offenders ha, maybe I've just caught him badly but it seems everytime I turn on his stream it seems he love spewing derogative shit over his teammates and opponents. That's not for me.

Dan Dinh, was someone I used to watch alot but I can't do it anymore I don't know why. Every time I turn it on I find myself not watching. Why this is I don't know.

Salce, I'll check it it never paid to much attention to it.

And I have a stream running 24/7, and that isn't a joke. I have program set up so that if a stream goes down it alerts and sets to a new stream. It's what I can do to support the players and I never see a reason not have a stream running even if I'm not watching. But it also means I've been watching a shit ton of streaming in my day and there are certain people that used to have just a ton of energy and drive that seems to have vanished. My favourite streamer being TheOddOne, before i could look past the fact that he complains aaaaaaall the time, because he was being genuinly funny and had a great energy. Now it just feels like the complaining is there. A sort of "Why do I even do this shit". and it goes a for a gaggle of streamers, no matter how many k's they have.
Matsumoto
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Germany493 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-06 16:39:40
December 06 2011 16:39 GMT
#2574
On December 07 2011 01:16 Hynda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2011 00:51 Two_DoWn wrote:
On December 07 2011 00:47 Hynda wrote:
On December 06 2011 22:37 Slayer91 wrote:
Shushei always trolling in solo queue, you guys just never watched him play before he got famous, lol. I played against him doing stuff like solo lane fiddle and generally doing awful at it. Then I turn on his stream and he's going sword of the occult tears ashe and like 0/8 getting carried because "it's his lucky ashe build". Heh.
He plays consistently stupid builds and heroes now aswell. But he at least enjoys the game and acts like he enjoys the game. Even when playing poor hero combinations he very rarely is the reason for a loss and he ALWAYS radiates the fact that league of legends is fun. Something I havn't seen any of the American streamers do for like a year now.

It just feels like it's a job for them that has to be done to generate the revenue to live one, and that is probably true aswell. And I am in no way shape or form holding that against them.

You should watch Saint, Dan Dinh or Salce more. Saint has fun and makes no bones about it, and Dan seems to enjoy himself quite a bit, and he does weird shit that tends to work out. And salce is just the best NA ap carry.

Basically any good player normally streams with below 3k viewers. Is going to be free of your "oh this is just a business" phobia.

SaintVicious is one of the worst offenders ha, maybe I've just caught him badly but it seems everytime I turn on his stream it seems he love spewing derogative shit over his teammates and opponents. That's not for me.

Dan Dinh, was someone I used to watch alot but I can't do it anymore I don't know why. Every time I turn it on I find myself not watching. Why this is I don't know.

Salce, I'll check it it never paid to much attention to it.

And I have a stream running 24/7, and that isn't a joke. I have program set up so that if a stream goes down it alerts and sets to a new stream. It's what I can do to support the players and I never see a reason not have a stream running even if I'm not watching. But it also means I've been watching a shit ton of streaming in my day and there are certain people that used to have just a ton of energy and drive that seems to have vanished. My favourite streamer being TheOddOne, before i could look past the fact that he complains aaaaaaall the time, because he was being genuinly funny and had a great energy. Now it just feels like the complaining is there. A sort of "Why do I even do this shit". and it goes a for a gaggle of streamers, no matter how many k's they have.


i love to watch LoL stream but i feel the same way about saintVicious or Hotshot

of course there are good players and they have a lot of skill but honestly sometimes it just makes me sick listeting to them
i mean i personally also love to trashtalk but if i have to listen to Hotshot say "faggot" ten times in 2 minutes or something like "this guy plays like he has autism" just makes me question his intelligence

why do they always have to act like the biggest douchebags on stream?
Fk it ,BAYLIFE? BAYLIFE
Sabin010
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1892 Posts
December 06 2011 16:40 GMT
#2575
On December 07 2011 01:15 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2011 01:03 Hynda wrote:
On December 07 2011 00:58 Sabin010 wrote:
What are some strong bot lanes that can destroy ad carry / support? I am interested in creating some unorthodox team compositions that can be used with friends in a 5 man queue.

There is a reason ad carry and support is played there. But if you just want to "dominate the lane" ending up with a completly fucked up team, dubble ap usually does the trick.


The reason is coordination. Honestly double AP bottom with an AD carry mid isn't all that crazy, it just requires better coordination.


The only thing is I was thinking along the lines of putting AP top, and then going for something like Lux with CV and some one who can abuse the root. Lux/Morg seems strong. Hell they can even push the lane all the way and do a double root puddle with only taking one tower shot.
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
December 06 2011 16:46 GMT
#2576
On December 07 2011 01:03 Hynda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2011 00:58 Sabin010 wrote:
What are some strong bot lanes that can destroy ad carry / support? I am interested in creating some unorthodox team compositions that can be used with friends in a 5 man queue.

There is a reason ad carry and support is played there. But if you just want to "dominate the lane" ending up with a completly fucked up team, dubble ap usually does the trick.

Sure there is a reason. However it's definitely not a good reason for the one particular game you're about to play.


The general idea is 1 targeted or relatively easy to land ranged CC combined with lots of damage and potentially more CC. A not so much all-in approach also requires at least 1 character with a ranged autoattack so you can still farm even if you don't straight up win the lane. Double melee lanes typically dominate really hard once they get ahead, but if they don't get there, they lose lots of farm.
There are plenty of good combinations; look at all the champs each of you can play and consider their stats/abilities unbiased. Some champs are played vastly different if you put them in a duo lane. Ignore how a champ plays in a solo lane when you want to decide if he's fit for a duo lane.

Don't take CV in such a lane. Ideally you have all 3 of Exhaust/Ignite/Heal.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Hynda
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden2226 Posts
December 06 2011 16:47 GMT
#2577
On December 07 2011 01:39 Nero. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2011 01:16 Hynda wrote:
On December 07 2011 00:51 Two_DoWn wrote:
On December 07 2011 00:47 Hynda wrote:
On December 06 2011 22:37 Slayer91 wrote:
Shushei always trolling in solo queue, you guys just never watched him play before he got famous, lol. I played against him doing stuff like solo lane fiddle and generally doing awful at it. Then I turn on his stream and he's going sword of the occult tears ashe and like 0/8 getting carried because "it's his lucky ashe build". Heh.
He plays consistently stupid builds and heroes now aswell. But he at least enjoys the game and acts like he enjoys the game. Even when playing poor hero combinations he very rarely is the reason for a loss and he ALWAYS radiates the fact that league of legends is fun. Something I havn't seen any of the American streamers do for like a year now.

It just feels like it's a job for them that has to be done to generate the revenue to live one, and that is probably true aswell. And I am in no way shape or form holding that against them.

You should watch Saint, Dan Dinh or Salce more. Saint has fun and makes no bones about it, and Dan seems to enjoy himself quite a bit, and he does weird shit that tends to work out. And salce is just the best NA ap carry.

Basically any good player normally streams with below 3k viewers. Is going to be free of your "oh this is just a business" phobia.

SaintVicious is one of the worst offenders ha, maybe I've just caught him badly but it seems everytime I turn on his stream it seems he love spewing derogative shit over his teammates and opponents. That's not for me.

Dan Dinh, was someone I used to watch alot but I can't do it anymore I don't know why. Every time I turn it on I find myself not watching. Why this is I don't know.

Salce, I'll check it it never paid to much attention to it.

And I have a stream running 24/7, and that isn't a joke. I have program set up so that if a stream goes down it alerts and sets to a new stream. It's what I can do to support the players and I never see a reason not have a stream running even if I'm not watching. But it also means I've been watching a shit ton of streaming in my day and there are certain people that used to have just a ton of energy and drive that seems to have vanished. My favourite streamer being TheOddOne, before i could look past the fact that he complains aaaaaaall the time, because he was being genuinly funny and had a great energy. Now it just feels like the complaining is there. A sort of "Why do I even do this shit". and it goes a for a gaggle of streamers, no matter how many k's they have.


i love to watch LoL stream but i feel the same way about saintVicious or Hotshot

of course there are good players and they have a lot of skill but honestly sometimes it just makes me sick listeting to them
i mean i personally also love to trashtalk but if i have to listen to Hotshot say "faggot" ten times in 2 minutes or something like "this guy plays like he has autism" just makes me question his intelligence

why do they always have to act like the biggest douchebags on stream?
Probably because they are, there are plenty fo likeable streamers out there that doesn't act like doucebags. Infact most people arn't doucebags on their streams. Some of them are completly unwatchable like Reginald that can't stop saying bro. Seriously if someone offered him a billion dollars to not say bro for 1 day he would fuck it up in 10 seconds flat. But he isn't a douchebag. And i suspect alot of Hotshots douchebagery is an act, he has buildt up an persona around being an asshole and that is bringing in the viewers. I've met plenty of people that met Hotshot irl and they all said he is a pretty decent guy.
Hynda
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden2226 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-06 16:51:47
December 06 2011 16:49 GMT
#2578
On December 07 2011 01:46 spinesheath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2011 01:03 Hynda wrote:
On December 07 2011 00:58 Sabin010 wrote:
What are some strong bot lanes that can destroy ad carry / support? I am interested in creating some unorthodox team compositions that can be used with friends in a 5 man queue.

There is a reason ad carry and support is played there. But if you just want to "dominate the lane" ending up with a completly fucked up team, dubble ap usually does the trick.

Sure there is a reason. However it's definitely not a good reason for the one particular game you're about to play.


The general idea is 1 targeted or relatively easy to land ranged CC combined with lots of damage and potentially more CC. A not so much all-in approach also requires at least 1 character with a ranged autoattack so you can still farm even if you don't straight up win the lane. Double melee lanes typically dominate really hard once they get ahead, but if they don't get there, they lose lots of farm.
There are plenty of good combinations; look at all the champs each of you can play and consider their stats/abilities unbiased. Some champs are played vastly different if you put them in a duo lane. Ignore how a champ plays in a solo lane when you want to decide if he's fit for a duo lane.

Don't take CV in such a lane. Ideally you have all 3 of Exhaust/Ignite/Heal.

Annie Maokai would probably do fairly well. The scenario I keep runing into is that it's just such an all in. If you fuck them up yea, you can win, but if you don't manage to dominate that bot you're going to be extremly far behind.
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
December 06 2011 16:50 GMT
#2579
Locicero/Snoopeh are both mannered. Sk Ocelote isn't bad. If you're looking for enthusiasm/energy he still has it
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Hynda
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden2226 Posts
December 06 2011 16:53 GMT
#2580
On December 07 2011 01:50 mordek wrote:
Locicero/Snoopeh are both mannered. Sk Ocelote isn't bad. If you're looking for enthusiasm/energy he still has it

I think Loci said he would stop streaming cause he didn't have enough viewers.
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