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Craton
United States17250 Posts
On December 05 2011 11:40 sylverfyre wrote: But we've already established that rank doesn't affect queue priority in Normal Draft. The whole group goes first. I was thinking of Ranked order for some reason. | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
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Cixah
United States11285 Posts
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On December 05 2011 13:04 zer0das wrote: Voilbear is beyond retarded... was playing MF against him, he has 504 move speed with boots 1 and his speed roid up. I had like 440ish move speed with my passive up and boots 2. How is this even remotely fair? Whee Riot balance team... you must hate shyvana with a burning passion then x] | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
On December 05 2011 13:12 Ryuu314 wrote: you must hate shyvana with a burning passion then x] She's actually fine in comparison. She can't fling you back (her ult kind of, but not really), she doesn't start out with 45% move speed at level freaking 1 if she wants and her movespeed buff decreases over time, and her damage output is a lot lower. She also can't slow you without a frozen mallet or red buff. Why doesn't the bear's movespeed roid scale slowly? It's basically Singed's ult 1.5 at level freaking 1 as far as speed goes. | ||
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Snaphoo
United States614 Posts
On December 05 2011 13:04 zer0das wrote: Voilbear is beyond retarded... was playing MF against him, he has 504 move speed with boots 1 and his speed roid up. I had like 440ish move speed with my passive up and boots 2. How is this even remotely fair? Whee Riot balance team... Were you over-extended? Movement speed is part of his kit; doesn't seem outrageous. Even with his roid speed I don't think he's as fast Singed ult, for ex. | ||
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Craton
United States17250 Posts
On December 05 2011 13:11 Cixah wrote: It's a mini ghost. It's ment to CATCH people out of position. That's like saying, Ez's blink is op because it moves him. Meaning to do something has no bearing it whether or not it's OP. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On December 05 2011 13:24 Snaphoo wrote: Were you over-extended? Movement speed is part of his kit; doesn't seem outrageous. Even with his roid speed I don't think he's as fast Singed ult, for ex. Which is a little ridiculous considering it's Singed's ult...oh, AND Singed's E. I don't think Volibear is necessarily OP, I just think his kit is really freaking stupid. | ||
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
On December 05 2011 13:28 jcarlsoniv wrote: Which is a little ridiculous considering it's Singed's ult...oh, AND Singed's E. I don't think Volibear is necessarily OP, I just think his kit is really freaking stupid. I think when you have his kit on 1 champ, its fairly OP. A move speed steroid/ fling, AoE slow that also damages, attack speed steroid/execute, and then massive AoE damage. And he scales with health. And is a bear with armor. | ||
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Parnage
United States7414 Posts
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Cixah
United States11285 Posts
On December 05 2011 13:28 Craton wrote: Meaning to do something has no bearing it whether or not it's OP. True, but if the numbers get neutered to the point that it can't catch people. What was the point? The only thing I think that's absolutly rediculous about the ability in question is that its cheaper than singed's version and gives him a boost. To be fair singed is also dumb, but Bear's kit has no innate CC reduction (even if 35% is given away for free now). He's a tank that needs to be CC'd. Do it. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On December 05 2011 13:36 Bladeorade wrote: I think when you have his kit on 1 champ, its fairly OP. A move speed steroid/ fling, AoE slow that also damages, attack speed steroid/execute, and then massive AoE damage. And he scales with health. And is a bear with armor. I mean, conceptually and thinking about his kit and such, yeah I think he's op. But I haven't actually seen one do particularly well. The only 2 times I've laned against him was top with Kennen, and it was entirely too easy. Haven't seen a successful one in the jungle yet. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On December 05 2011 13:28 jcarlsoniv wrote: Which is a little ridiculous considering it's Singed's ult...oh, AND Singed's E. I don't think Volibear is necessarily OP, I just think his kit is really freaking stupid. Hmm, what are some cool abilities? Well, singed's e is cool, but whats its weakness? I know, he doesnt move fast enough! So lets make it a ghost AND fling. Herm what should we do for his w. Well, attackspeed is cool, but thats boring. I GOT IT! We can give him a garen ult! On a 15 second CD! That sounds PERFECT! Well, now we need to make sure he has some way of slowing down any enemies he fights cuz, ya know, a speed boost isnt enough. So lets give him an aoe slow, that also fears minions! That way he can towerdive with his q and w! Now for an ult. Well, he already has an ult, so I guess we could just give him some sort of damage steroid. Huh. How bout we let him get a free 465 damage? Per auto attack of course. That seems fair. So considering we just put together a fairly weak kit, we need to give him a strong passive to compensate. Mundo's ult is cool, but it takes too long. How bout we just compress that baby so that there is no way to counter it with a well timed ignite? Sounds good to me. Ship this baby out! | ||
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CeriseCherries
6170 Posts
On December 05 2011 13:38 Cixah wrote: True, but if the numbers get neutered to the point that it can't catch people. What was the point? The only thing I think that's absolutly rediculous about the ability in question is that its cheaper than singed's version and gives him a boost. To be fair singed is also dumb, but Bear's kit has no innate CC reduction (even if 35% is given away for free now). He's a tank that needs to be CC'd. Do it. He'd still be decent if he didn't scale with enemy health + his own health... its just that you can build full tank but still do a lot of damage that makes him on the op side... I don't want to focus the tank, because well, he's tanky | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On December 05 2011 13:40 Two_DoWn wrote: Hmm, what are some cool abilities? Well, singed's e is cool, but whats its weakness? I know, he doesnt move fast enough! So lets make it a ghost AND fling. Herm what should we do for his w. Well, attackspeed is cool, but thats boring. I GOT IT! We can give him a garen ult! On a 15 second CD! That sounds PERFECT! Well, now we need to make sure he has some way of slowing down any enemies he fights cuz, ya know, a speed boost isnt enough. So lets give him an aoe slow, that also fears minions! That way he can towerdive with his q and w! Now for an ult. Well, he already has an ult, so I guess we could just give him some sort of damage steroid. Huh. How bout we let him get a free 465 damage? Per auto attack of course. That seems fair. So considering we just put together a fairly weak kit, we need to give him a strong passive to compensate. Mundo's ult is cool, but it takes too long. How bout we just compress that baby so that there is no way to counter it with a well timed ignite? Sounds good to me. Ship this baby out! Sounds pretty accurate to me. | ||
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
On December 05 2011 13:39 jcarlsoniv wrote: I mean, conceptually and thinking about his kit and such, yeah I think he's op. But I haven't actually seen one do particularly well. The only 2 times I've laned against him was top with Kennen, and it was entirely too easy. Haven't seen a successful one in the jungle yet. I have seen Volibear done well. Jungle Bear ganks are wicked scary. If he flips you, you are dead. No questions asked. In team fights the AoE slow is really strong as is his disruption with flip and then he gets good AoE damage from his ult. Yeah you can CC him, but if you spend your CC on him and he is built as a tank (which he should be) then he has done his job IMO. And even if you have enough burst to get him down (unlikely,) his passive also restores 30% of his health. So if he has 3500 health in a team fight (likely,) you have to do 4550 damage to him. LoLz And +1 to Two_DoWn's description | ||
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Craton
United States17250 Posts
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On December 05 2011 14:16 Craton wrote: It's pretty much a "what if every gank was from ulted singed, but with more damage?" You have to play more passive than against Shaco, which is really dumb zzz. The only saving grace is that if you have a cc to throw on him, then he loses his ability to fling you. | ||
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