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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
August 16 2011 16:39 GMT
#21
Fiddle is the best option out of the three the OP listed.

I learned jungling by drilling WW and Nunu for double digit games each.
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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11767 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-16 16:43:03
August 16 2011 16:41 GMT
#22
I learned jungle with Malphite, then Rammus, then Amumu.

Does this answer some of your bewilderment regarding how I play, Neo? LOL

Edit:
Oh yeah, release-version Udyr too I guess.

Edit2:
I mentioned before in the thread but Fiddle's the best jungler of the 3 at the moment, and is also one of the best junglers overall atm, and is also banned a lot. He's also probably going to get nerfed again at some point. Take that as you will.
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Ziemson
Profile Joined January 2011
Poland20 Posts
August 16 2011 16:44 GMT
#23
Nunu is one of the best junglers, because his jungle speed is very optimal (around 3:50), he's difficult to counter jungle and he can easily counter jungle himself. Thanks to Snowball and his speed buff he can gank very good. Especially when with the red buff, then no one he hits will escape him. But unfortunately his getting pretty useless in the late game, because even with Banshee's Veil his ulti can be instantly taken down. So you have to play a pretty good early game and mid game with a lot of succesful ganks and teamfights.
And he can jungle without runes. The safest build is 0/21/9, which doesn't improve your Smite (but imo he doesn't need improved Smite), but gives you great survivability and you can make blue golem without any pulls and help. I tried 1/19/10 but with runes and I think that without them he won't handle jungle alone (if someone pulls him, then yes).
Fiddlesticks owns with his ulti and damage, but only on public games. There is no way for him to do much if he gets stunned or CC'ed correctly.
I'd like to agree with Pogo0o, Amumu is a great jungler too. He has lots of health early on and can gank with his Bandage Toss and deal great damage with his Tantrum and Despair.
RumZ
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States956 Posts
August 16 2011 17:04 GMT
#24
Your jungle pick has a big impact on the game you're playing.

It also helps with your team's comp.

Do you need a support? Jungle nunu
Need an AD ripper? Master Yi
Need someone who's going to be able to survive a lane and have a stun ult? Warwick
Need a more consistant stun? Udyr
Need some CC/AoE slow? Trundle
Need heavy and bulky damage output? Jungle jarvan/irralia(sp)/brolof are good in this category.

Also consider can your team counter-jungle well? Can you counter-jungle well? Nunu, warwick, udyr, all good counters.
NightWalks
Profile Joined May 2011
Latvia252 Posts
August 17 2011 06:12 GMT
#25
As already stated Fiddles is better choice from 3 mentioned champs .

Then again i wouldn't advise fids as your first Jungle choice espec if you can't get your team to protect you from jungle ganks and/or enemy team has jungle nunu.

@ Ziemson Nunu is stil great Jungler , but his late game lacks compared to other jungle picks and recent E (Snowball) nerf made his bigest assest - early game - lackluster

I vote mumu / rammus as best choice when start to learn Jungle / Tank / LoL
You compliment your team with Jungler + tank and even if you mess up you can still act as meatshield . Also both of them are hated for CC/gap closer and since new ppl push lanes like mad .. getting gank kills are cake .

Once you know the drill get champs like noc / olaf and melt faces

PS : Skarner is boooooooring and bland
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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17250 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-17 06:39:58
August 17 2011 06:39 GMT
#26
Pretty much Amumu or WW always work because everyone rushes to pick carry.
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All.In
Profile Joined August 2010
United States214 Posts
August 17 2011 06:53 GMT
#27
Fiddles laning isnt good imo. His farming isnt very good but he is a great fighter so he can deny cs for the other carry often times.

The 3 top junglers according to the little one right now in this patch are:

fiddle's
gankplank
udyr

IMO nunu is the easiest
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zalz
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Netherlands3704 Posts
August 17 2011 07:02 GMT
#28
Nunu is a great jungler but out of those 3 i would say Fiddle.

Nunu however has to be played good. You can't be afraid to abuse that incredible jungle power, you have to clear your own jungle, invade the other jungle and gank lanes. Most junglers are happy enough just farming and ganking but for Nunu to shine he has to really go all out.
NIIINO
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Slovakia1320 Posts
August 17 2011 07:07 GMT
#29
I think that best jungler is Noc. he is fast, great ganks, and dont need blue that much.
NightWalks
Profile Joined May 2011
Latvia252 Posts
August 17 2011 10:00 GMT
#30
I think that best jungler is Noc. he is fast, great ganks, and dont need blue that much.


I often pass my first blue to mid AP or top AP as with Noc i can clear camps fast BR
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Ziemson
Profile Joined January 2011
Poland20 Posts
August 17 2011 10:29 GMT
#31
Guys, I'd like to try Warwick, haven't ever played him before. Can I go jungle with my runes for a tank:
HP Quints, HP Marks, Dodge Seals and Magic Resist Glyphs? What masteries he needs?
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
August 17 2011 11:03 GMT
#32
On August 17 2011 19:29 Ziemson wrote:
Guys, I'd like to try Warwick, haven't ever played him before. Can I go jungle with my runes for a tank:
HP Quints, HP Marks, Dodge Seals and Magic Resist Glyphs? What masteries he needs?


You can safely do Jungle WW with that setup but your ganks will be a little weak with HP Marks.

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Ziemson
Profile Joined January 2011
Poland20 Posts
August 17 2011 11:41 GMT
#33
I think I will handle that, thanks. But doesn't he only need 9 in offense for cooldown reduction and 15% spell penetration? With this I would get 21 in utility which is imo very good.
Jakkerr
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands2549 Posts
August 17 2011 11:50 GMT
#34
Master yi jungle is also really good.
It just works a little different.
You don't get the red/blue buffs till lvl 4 or so and just farm:
Golems-wraiths-wolves and get a quick Wriggle's lantern + boots.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17250 Posts
August 17 2011 14:01 GMT
#35
I do 21 0 9 for ww. It doesn't really matter. All you really need is the 5% exp.
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Ziemson
Profile Joined January 2011
Poland20 Posts
August 17 2011 14:17 GMT
#36
Yes. I tried 9/0/21 and it went pretty good, I've done solo blue buff on a custom game, so i'm quite confident jungling him.
Tooplark
Profile Joined October 2008
United States3977 Posts
August 17 2011 15:03 GMT
#37
I learned to jungle with Olaf and Amumu. Bad habits from both have influenced the other.
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adrift
Profile Joined August 2010
192 Posts
August 17 2011 15:50 GMT
#38
fiddle is easily the best of what you listed. very strong gank/teamfights but he is often banned if you are looking to play ranked

shaco has been pretty bad for a while now (he ate tons of nerfs over time). he is still pretty good at ganking early with red but after that you are basically useless

maokai is OK but not normally a jungler. usually played as solo lane

other ones you should look at:
amumu: easy to jungle on, very strong. good gank at 6 with flash + ult + Q. only thing you really have to learn with him is landing the Q and ulting at good times. start cloth armor 5 pots then W at 1, E at 2 + 3, Q at 4. after that max E > W > Q and get ult whenever you can. build heart of gold + philo stone early then go into merc treads/aegis/sunfire/ect

ww: pretty much the easiest jungle. with his passive you can start almost anything and still clear jungle well. build tanky (wriggles, merc tread, spirit visage then wits end or sunfire depending)

those two have been among the best junglers forever and are staples in competitive play. also both fairly easy to clear the jungle on and don't cost much IP
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
August 17 2011 16:14 GMT
#39
I think amumu and yi are the two easiest junglers to win with in solo queue, once mastered. They both have decent to strong ganks but are capable of farming fast and are capable of accomplishing a lot even if lanes don't do well.

Fiddlesticks is strong as a jungler, but playing him can be extremely unpleasant if your teammates are incompetent.
JustinMartin
Profile Joined November 2010
159 Posts
August 17 2011 16:22 GMT
#40
best jungle : Nocturne!
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