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This isn't a QQ thread, or an "I'm stuck in elo hell plz carry me out" thread.
I'm asking for help.
Long story short, I keep losing, and have no idea why. I queue up ranked, pick a hero to help team (most people don't like jungling, so I'll typically do that), typically have a strong early game, ward, counter-ward, gank, etc- and end with a good score and feel like I helped my team.
I don't *feel* like I'm playing any different than 5 months ago before I took my hiatus- I was hovering pretty consistently around 1750 elo. Now I just .... lose.
If there's anyone better who wouldn't mind playing some games with me, normal, ranked, whatever- to try and diagnose what the hell I'm doing wrong, I'd really appreciate it. Right now I'm just frustrated because it feels like I'm just getting trolled by my team every game, but there has to be something I"m doing wrong. =|
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Download LoL Replays and upload some of your problematic games.
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It's probably your attitude tbh. I'm not sayin it's bad, but to rise in solo queue you need a ego the size of a small planet. You have to actually believe that you can win 5 vs 1. Most people hit a wall at a certain elo and recovering from that wall can take alot of time. The skillcap in this game is fairly low, I don't believe that knowledge is what makes you win games at that level because you will out-knowledge anyone and everyone untill at least 2.1k and even then those that do are few and far between.
The moment you stop believing that you alone can turn 4 idiots into a winning team is the moment your ELO will crash.
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Alright, I'll upload this next one -- currently playing. I'll try and keep that in mind Hynda, I think you're right.
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The key to winning solo ranked is being a good leader. You have to tell all the idiots on the team when to back because they're over extending. Know when you can take a baron or dragon or a tower because the other team is out of position to stop you. These small advantages snowball into winning a huge teamfight and getting further ahead. Years of RTS play should really help with your minimap awareness. You want to know where everybody is on your team and theirs and direct them through in game chat to victory.
That and realizing you're going to lose games. If you strive for perfection you're just gonna make yourself extremely unhappy because it's just not possible to be that good. You're going to have games where your carry doesn't know what last hitting is and has 1cs/min. You're probably going to lose those games as well. Kindly explain how to play the game properly while you get your ass handed to you to make yourself feel better.
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I find playing random ass champions helps. Jungle morde is always a good pick, because he is just so incredibly op. I had a counterjungle ap shaco who went 9-2 last night. You think he worries about elementz' tier list? No. He plays what he wants because he knows how to do it.
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On June 27 2011 06:38 Two_DoWn wrote:
Jungle morde is always a good pick, because he is just so incredibly op.
I was just about to say, the jungle morde is a pretty normal thing for me- I played it when I was around 1750, so I know the pick has nothing to do with my current loss streak.
Anyway, what's the best place to upload replays?
Also, I'm basically really ashamed of the last game I played. It was garbage, and a terrible example of what I'm talking about. In addition my build was terrible, looking at trying something different this time.
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I'll see if I can get my friends 1450 account and duo queue with you.
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On June 27 2011 07:12 HazMat wrote:
I'll see if I can get my friends 1450 account and duo queue with you.
I'll be on again in about 5.5 hours if you'll be around then.
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On June 27 2011 07:12 HazMat wrote:
I'll see if I can get my friends 1450 account and duo queue with you.
You could just use TheHazMat or DNA Styx. You should re-elo that anyway
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If your problem was mechanics, you'd probably know that yourself. You also know how to fix it.
If your problem is abusing advantages: Push when your ranged DPS finishes IE, when your AP finishes Deathcap, abuse strong phases of certain champs (lvl 9 Ashe, lvl 6/11/16 casters etc). There's lots of stuff that would fit here.
If your problem is team coordination: Be talkative, but do not enrage your allies. This is pretty damn hard to do because you get matched with 4 random people and you have to figure out how to deal with them within the first couple of minutes but you can't mess up or else they will rage and you don't get a second chance. No idea how you learn this type of thing though aside from practice.
Take a short break after each loss.
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Also maybe everyone else got better
because they did
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It might make people less careful when they see that you're on their team, now that you are even more famous.
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You took a long break and then came back and started losing.. my logic tells me that everyone else simply got better while you were gone.
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On June 27 2011 08:53 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Also maybe everyone else got better
because they did
I'm going to agree with 5HIT here; as the game gets older, eventually as a whole, the community learns and knows more about the game from the wealth of information out there.
Much like BW...when I first started it back in the late 90s I could win games....take a break for 10 years and what happens?
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On June 27 2011 09:46 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2011 08:53 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Also maybe everyone else got better
because they did I'm going to agree with 5HIT here; as the game gets older, eventually as a whole, the community learns and knows more about the game from the wealth of information out there. Much like BW...when I first started it back in the late 90s I could win games....take a break for 10 years and what happens?
what happened was unichan was born
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On June 27 2011 10:26 unichan wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2011 09:46 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 27 2011 08:53 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Also maybe everyone else got better
because they did I'm going to agree with 5HIT here; as the game gets older, eventually as a whole, the community learns and knows more about the game from the wealth of information out there. Much like BW...when I first started it back in the late 90s I could win games....take a break for 10 years and what happens? what happened was unichan was born
In the late 90s?
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Unichan is 12. So late 90's is right before she was born, depending on your definition of late.
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Okay I'm on but chat is down so basically fuck
Edit:Yup just got trolled again 2 games in a row
New elo: 1507. I'm going to have to play like jiji to get out of this I think :X
edit edit: sorry, I lied
3 games in a row. 1495
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Well there are also more trolls around because they think s2 is around the corner. Well trolls even out eventually, so take it in stride.
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I'm rather amazed how you can feel you're not playing worse after a 5 month hiatus. I felt I was playing worse when I came back from a break of 2 weeks.
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On June 27 2011 15:50 TheYango wrote:
I'm rather amazed how you can feel you're not playing worse after a 5 month hiatus. I felt I was playing worse when I came back from a break of 2 weeks.
This.
Don't expect to be 1700 after a break like that. Just accept the fact that you've gotten worse and aren't a 1700 elo player anymore and work on getting your skill back.
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I am. The problem, I suppose, is I can't even identify my failings anymore to figure out what the hell I need to be improving on. :
It'll probably get better with time. The trolls are just compounding the problem.
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solo queue is a toss-up, a total coin flip to a certain point, especially this late in the season
you might just be in the coin flip threshhold
duo your way up to 1600/1700 or w/e or just join a team and play real games
or wait til season 2 or something
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The story of my life:
This has been literally 5 of the last 6 games for me. I have replays to prove them if anyone cares to find out.
http://www.mediafire.com/?rr76xzkzl1i0kxw
In champ select: fp goes TF, says we need a jungle
I say OK, I pick fiddle immediately, and then at the very end of 30s countdown 3rd pick takes nocturne, locks smite, says nothing.
I say OK, I'll go top.
Next picks: Irelia, garen. Irelia demands top or afk.
I go bot with fiddle, get killed over and over because I am fiddle in the bot lane, get blamed all game for it, and reported by every member of my team.
Inb4 I get banned for knowing how the fucking champs work.
This seems irrelevant but I don't understand how to even begin learning to play again when this shit happens every single game. I'm so mad I would literally, given the chance without legal consequences IRL, seriously maim my teammates these last few games without a second's hesitation or a moment's regret. It's my honest belief that they don't deserve to live, and, objectively speaking, I know exactly how disgusting that is. I don't know what's wrong with me or anyone else and it's making me sick. =/
Now I can't sleep.
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A good idea would be to not pick a champ who is as hit or miss depending on his team as Fiddle. Fiddle can't fight on his own and he can't support well either.
Also I'm not so sure what the problem with a Fiddle+Garen lane is... max fear, camp brush. If your team decides that they want to create a retarded team comp, you gotta be creative with your champ.
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The problem is it was against an ali/rumble lane, but yeah. Must be sleep deprivation thats letting this get to me so badly. Gonna try to fix that. Shake helped quite a bit too. /dance
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Spinesheath not everyone is as creative as you :p
I know this sounds stupid, cause you just took such a long break, but if your feeling down, not having fun, and are on a losing streak. Take a short break, and hour or two. I like to take a shower personally.
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On June 27 2011 18:18 Odds wrote:The story of my life: This has been literally 5 of the last 6 games for me. I have replays to prove them if anyone cares to find out. http://www.mediafire.com/?rr76xzkzl1i0kxwIn champ select: fp goes TF, says we need a jungle I say OK, I pick fiddle immediately, and then at the very end of 30s countdown 3rd pick takes nocturne, locks smite, says nothing. I say OK, I'll go top. Next picks: Irelia, garen. Irelia demands top or afk. I go bot with fiddle, get killed over and over because I am fiddle in the bot lane, get blamed all game for it, and reported by every member of my team. Inb4 I get banned for knowing how the fucking champs work. This seems irrelevant but I don't understand how to even begin learning to play again when this shit happens every single game. I'm so mad I would literally, given the chance without legal consequences IRL, seriously maim my teammates these last few games without a second's hesitation or a moment's regret. It's my honest belief that they don't deserve to live, and, objectively speaking, I know exactly how disgusting that is. I don't know what's wrong with me or anyone else and it's making me sick. =/ Now I can't sleep.
Why not go top and make Irelia afk? One more Tribunal case is always healthy.
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try looking at streams too. I had no way of playing LoL for like 2 months, but managed to catch a stream or two and watch it during this break. It's laid back and makes you think about the game instead of going full robot mode.
When i came back last hitting was painfull at first but otherwise i was playing the best LoL i ever did
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Streams/replays are helpful but too many people get into the deadly trap of "backseat pro" when they know so much stuff about how to play the game but play like shit when actually trying it. You'd wanna maintain a healthy ratio between playing and watching. Actually, after watching DH I realized how many opportunities I've been missing with overly cautious play and began playing much more aggressive than I usually did, quite fruitful, I might add.
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I dunno. I took about a month off, came back and found everyone at 1400 was WORSE than when I left. I chalked it up to elo inflation. So it may not be that you are playing worse, but that you are playing with more retards who somehow managed to push themselves up.
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I took three months off and lol'd at the people that were 1700 rating. Elo decay'd to like 1400 and I effortlessly (ie. like 14-3) hiked back up to just under 1700 despite not giving a shit. Elo inflation would insinuate that you're simply not as good as you think you are (anymore).
IMO the #1 thing 99% of people stink at (and don't understand that they stink at) in this game is initiating, or starting fights and capitalizing on positioning mistakes (which will inevitably happen, even at the top level of play). Playing backseat heroes like Fiddle doesn't help unless you're Fear initiating, flashing backwards, and then channeling ult ASAP or something gosu like that.
Fiddle bot lane is fine by the way, as he is an extremely strong and robust laner (double CC) with tremendous 2v2 damage if the other team fails to position properly. He can also roam, and can take most people 1v1 for some time despite minimal items.
Edit;
Also watching streams are terrible for most people if you're actually trying to learn the game. Yes, this is an amazing thing to realize, but LoL is very strategic, all the way down to hero selection, and a lot of shit people pull in top-level streams is never going to apply to you unless you have the determination to become similarly a top-level player... and even then with a lot of playstyle swaps and preferences you're not going to have a similar setup, most likely. So unless you're watching streams to properly analyze why people are doing what, watching these things will degenerate your play and turn you into a talk the talk piece of trash.
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coming from a ex-LoL player, i suggest just to have fun with the game, as personally i've tried to compete in solo Q before and its not really competitive at all
if you want to get better, just get a few good ppl to scrim 5v5 with, you will improve , realistically, the fastest that way.
i suppose another way to say this is, it is better to die assuming your teammate is good and will make correct plays, then to play passive and miss opportunities.
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Fiddle garen is like an instant kill with the silence-->fear-->garen silence-->drain+spin to win. How can you lose that lane. lol. If garen has flash up when you land the first silence they are screwed, if he doesn't just fear the guy while garen Q speeds up to him and then silences and spins to win.
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On June 27 2011 23:25 HeavOnEarth wrote:
coming from a ex-LoL player, i suggest just to have fun with the game, as personally i've tried to compete in solo Q before and its not really competitive at all
if you want to get better, just get a few good ppl to scrim 5v5 with, you will improve , realistically, the fastest that way.
i suppose another way to say this is, it is better to die assuming your teammate is good and will make correct plays, then to play passive and miss opportunities.
This statement explains most of the frustration people have with soloqq. It is so easy to become angry at the people you encounter in soloqq and just go into F*** you guys i've got to farm to 1v5 the other team because my team is useless.
Then soloqq becomes a 1v1v1v1v1 vs. 5.
If anything whenever you soloqueue communicate and give your teammates a chance if they aren't responding as quickly as you'd like then next time you know.
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On June 27 2011 18:18 Odds wrote:
In champ select: fp goes TF, says we need a jungle
I say OK, I pick fiddle immediately,
i've found the reason you're losing
why would you ever *expect* a win after picking fiddle? in the very best scenario i would feel grateful to win as fiddle, and laugh it off if i (far more likely) lost.
this thread should be deleted imo. everything that needs to be said has been said
like, why are you complaining to US about your irelia threatening to afk? if this is a thread about how you can improve, how can WE help your irelia not afk? how can anything you or we do affect how your 4 random teammates make their picks? how can anything you say in this thread change whether or not your team facechecks brush and gives up first blood, or dominates their lane? like i said before up to a certain point where players have enough experience to know what good picks and good decisions are, solo queue is a coin-flip. while it is required that you win your lane to win, you can't make your partners win their lanes. if you need help with individual matchups, ask away, but if you're just going to bitch that your team took 4 AD champs after you first-picked ashe, take it to shikyo's namesake thread, because we can't help you.
the only advice i can give you is this: if you think your skill is higher than your elo, always try to get matched up against the highest pick on the other team. logic would dictate that their elo is the highest on their team, so if anyone on their team is likely to stomp a lane, it's them. if you can limit them from crushing your teammates (by matching/beating their best player), and have your teammates (who you are assuming are worse than you) play against HIS worse teammates, you will greatly increase your chance of winning.
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On June 28 2011 02:40 gtrsrs wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2011 18:18 Odds wrote:
In champ select: fp goes TF, says we need a jungle
I say OK, I pick fiddle immediately, i've found the reason you're losing why would you ever *expect* a win after picking fiddle? in the very best scenario i would feel grateful to win as fiddle, and laugh it off if i (far more likely) lost. this thread should be deleted imo. everything that needs to be said has been said like, why are you complaining to US about your irelia threatening to afk? if this is a thread about how you can improve, how can WE help your irelia not afk? how can anything you or we do affect how your 4 random teammates make their picks? how can anything you say in this thread change whether or not your team facechecks brush and gives up first blood, or dominates their lane? like i said before up to a certain point where players have enough experience to know what good picks and good decisions are, solo queue is a coin-flip. while it is required that you win your lane to win, you can't make your partners win their lanes. if you need help with individual matchups, ask away, but if you're just going to bitch that your team took 4 AD champs after you first-picked ashe, take it to shikyo's namesake thread, because we can't help you. the only advice i can give you is this: if you think your skill is higher than your elo, always try to get matched up against the highest pick on the other team. logic would dictate that their elo is the highest on their team, so if anyone on their team is likely to stomp a lane, it's them. if you can limit them from crushing your teammates (by matching/beating their best player), and have your teammates (who you are assuming are worse than you) play against HIS worse teammates, you will greatly increase your chance of winning.
Fidds is considered op in high elo.
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i have never seen fiddle picked or banned in any tourney-level game i've ever played, so i'm going to say "hm, no" to that
unless you're being sarcastic in which case touche sir
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On June 28 2011 02:44 gtrsrs wrote:
i have never seen fiddle picked or banned in any tourney-level game i've ever played, so i'm going to say "hm, no" to that
unless you're being sarcastic in which case touche sir
What I've picked up on since the patch by watchin streams and such I've seen a lot of fidds bans and Saint qqing to Classick about fidds.
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On June 28 2011 02:47 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 02:44 gtrsrs wrote:
i have never seen fiddle picked or banned in any tourney-level game i've ever played, so i'm going to say "hm, no" to that
unless you're being sarcastic in which case touche sir What I've picked up on since the patch by watchin streams and such I've seen a lot of fidds bans and Saint qqing to Classick about fidds.
Are you sure those bans aren't targeted bans when people know Reidan is on the other team?
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Didn't seem to be, and even if it was, I wouldnt expect saint to be qqing to classik because of 1 player.
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Fiddle is strong, gtr is just being ignorant as usual. Also, Solo queue is NOT a coinflip.
People need to accept the fact that they're not as good as they are and stop crying.
Just look at the welfare thread. I'm an 1800 Elo player so I have no problem winning at 1500 Elo. Theres no fucking luck in there, I just play better than everyone else and win.
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Fiddle is super strong, he's just tricky (melee-range squishy caster) and relies a lot on positioning and over-pursuit by the opponent, as I feel his greatest strength is to force the other team into an anti-kite chase into Ashe or something only to get faceplanted with a Fiddle ult. The issue is that this requires a kiting team (as he's not as good at pushing into people, similar to Cait) and that it requires good positioning from your team too, hence my calling him a "backseat hero" where he tends to clinch fights as opposed to win them "straight-up."
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On June 27 2011 06:38 Two_DoWn wrote:
I find playing random ass champions helps. Jungle morde is always a good pick, because he is just so incredibly op. I had a counterjungle ap shaco who went 9-2 last night. You think he worries about elementz' tier list? No. He plays what he wants because he knows how to do it.
What do you build on jungle morde?
I feel that in solo queue that you have to essentially have to lead your team with your knowledge. There are a lot of players that are pretty bad with minimap awareness, warding, builds, and just general play, but you can lead a team through chat if you're not a dick to people. I come across that way too much imo since a lot of people at my level build carry AP sona or AD janna (I have actually seen people try both of these things), and I have no problems telling people that "your build is bad, do XYZ instead" - most people aren't willing to change.
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On June 28 2011 04:24 HazMat wrote:
Fiddle is strong, gtr is just being ignorant as usual. Also, Solo queue is NOT a coinflip.
People need to accept the fact that they're not as good as they are and stop crying.
Just look at the welfare thread. I'm an 1800 Elo player so I have no problem winning at 1500 Elo. Theres no fucking luck in there, I just play better than everyone else and win.
How far away from 1800 do you find that you start having trouble? I'm starting to think that my problem getting back near my peak Elo is just because I can't carry games that 'close' to my actual Elo.
(well, that and i'm dogshit at carries!)
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On June 28 2011 04:24 HazMat wrote:
Fiddle is strong, gtr is just being ignorant as usual. Also, Solo queue is NOT a coinflip.
People need to accept the fact that they're not as good as they are and stop crying.
Just look at the welfare thread. I'm an 1800 Elo player so I have no problem winning at 1500 Elo. Theres no fucking luck in there, I just play better than everyone else and win.
Really? how do you win if you get shit like clarity yi feeding or heal warwick feeding.
Without playing someone who can 1v5.
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you carry their worthless ass by 1v5ing the opposing team with a full leveled Jarizard.
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On June 28 2011 02:44 gtrsrs wrote:
i have never seen fiddle picked or banned in any tourney-level game i've ever played, so i'm going to say "hm, no" to that
unless you're being sarcastic in which case touche sir
Games in tournaments != tourney level games. No offense, but I'm looking for the help of people who actually have a clue what they're talking about.
Which I seem to have gotten. Thank you all. Especially Shake. :O
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On June 28 2011 04:42 Niton wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 04:24 HazMat wrote:
Fiddle is strong, gtr is just being ignorant as usual. Also, Solo queue is NOT a coinflip.
People need to accept the fact that they're not as good as they are and stop crying.
Just look at the welfare thread. I'm an 1800 Elo player so I have no problem winning at 1500 Elo. Theres no fucking luck in there, I just play better than everyone else and win. How far away from 1800 do you find that you start having trouble? I'm starting to think that my problem getting back near my peak Elo is just because I can't carry games that 'close' to my actual Elo. (well, that and i'm dogshit at carries!)
Ya I'm terrible at carries too. I can hold my own against 2k~ junglers easy but my carries are just not on that level. I hover around 1780-1820.
edit: and Ya, gtr just stop talking about your tourney experience lololo.
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On June 28 2011 04:34 HyperionDreamer wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2011 06:38 Two_DoWn wrote:
I find playing random ass champions helps. Jungle morde is always a good pick, because he is just so incredibly op. I had a counterjungle ap shaco who went 9-2 last night. You think he worries about elementz' tier list? No. He plays what he wants because he knows how to do it.
What do you build on jungle morde? I feel that in solo queue that you have to essentially have to lead your team with your knowledge. There are a lot of players that are pretty bad with minimap awareness, warding, builds, and just general play, but you can lead a team through chat if you're not a dick to people. I come across that way too much imo since a lot of people at my level build carry AP sona or AD janna (I have actually seen people try both of these things), and I have no problems telling people that "your build is bad, do XYZ instead" - most people aren't willing to change.
I have no idea what to build on jungle morde. I thought odds was trolling since he is a decent player. So I tried to countertroll his perceived troll only to get recountered by the fact that it was not, in fact, a troll. I just through jungle morde out there cuz I knew he already uses that. I've only done it a handful of times and it was never very successful.
#1 way to win solo q though: just play anything you want, and make sure that you do it well enough to ensure that you can make it to late game. Honestly, as long as you have all 5, and arent down 15 kills any game is winnable in solo q because the teamwork is just shit. It just becomes getting your team to fight in advantageous spots, grabbing a baron/sniping them at baron, split pushing, ect.
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On June 28 2011 04:48 Odds wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 02:44 gtrsrs wrote:
i have never seen fiddle picked or banned in any tourney-level game i've ever played, so i'm going to say "hm, no" to that
unless you're being sarcastic in which case touche sir Games in tournaments != tourney level games. No offense, but I'm looking for the help of people who actually have a clue what they're talking about. Which I seem to have gotten. Thank you all. Especially Shake. :O User was warned for this post
I, uh,
I'm not complaining, but this seems kind of silly. It's pretty well known that guitar is a pretty cool dude, but also pretty bad. My apologies in any case if any offense was perceived.
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Download Lolreplay and then upload some of them. I am sure at least one or two people here will watch it and tell you.
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Watch replays of how you play, and you'll realize you play worse than you think. It's mostly small things, maybe that add up. If you improve on those small things, you'll be gosu.
The things you need work on are really subtle, maybe not so subtle.
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I notice that when I make an effort to be positive and talkative pre-game (and pick the role that the team needs most), the team usually ends up performing better. That being said, I've been stuck around 1400 for weeks now and it's a little depressing. You know, those games where you say 'please ban ____ or they'll get him as first pick without a doubt' or 'don't pick _____ as a first choice, you'll get countered hard' and you just get flat out ignored and the game goes pretty much exactly as you said it would. Or your 2v2 lane goes 0-5 in the first ten minutes while you're busting your balls in the solo lane to not get owned in a mismatch. And then that game ends up getting dragged out to 30+ minutes despite being down thousands of gold from dragons/towers/kills leaving you frustrated you for the next game.
I look back on my recent games and see that I have had some rough games here and there so I know there is definitely room for improvement. For example, I focus on harass/cs so much at times that I don't check the minimap enough.
Anyways, I really do feel that solo Q is hit and miss at times. One person messing up on either team can totally make a game one-sided but it's better to have an attitude of 'what can I do better' than 'shitty teammates'.
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We are naturally inclined to remember that one game where a troll screwed our game, and not that one free win we had because the other team had a troll.
Everybody has shit games, but it tends to even out in the long run.
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On July 01 2011 00:43 0123456789 wrote:
Watch replays of how you play, and you'll realize you play worse than you think. It's mostly small things, maybe that add up. If you improve on those small things, you'll be gosu.
The things you need work on are really subtle, maybe not so subtle.
I've come to terms with that I'm awful, just need to find the things I need to work on. Do you remember any of the bigger ones from those practice games you gave me a while back? :3
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On July 01 2011 04:31 Odds wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2011 00:43 0123456789 wrote:
Watch replays of how you play, and you'll realize you play worse than you think. It's mostly small things, maybe that add up. If you improve on those small things, you'll be gosu.
The things you need work on are really subtle, maybe not so subtle. I've come to terms with that I'm awful, just need to find the things I need to work on. Do you remember any of the bigger ones from those practice games you gave me a while back? :3
Win lane hard, win game. Last hit perfectly or almost perfectly. Win early game, scale hard off noobs to mid game, win mid game, win game. Then there's just game/map awareness which you would get off playing a lot of games.
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On July 01 2011 04:34 0123456789 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2011 04:31 Odds wrote:On July 01 2011 00:43 0123456789 wrote:
Watch replays of how you play, and you'll realize you play worse than you think. It's mostly small things, maybe that add up. If you improve on those small things, you'll be gosu.
The things you need work on are really subtle, maybe not so subtle. I've come to terms with that I'm awful, just need to find the things I need to work on. Do you remember any of the bigger ones from those practice games you gave me a while back? :3 Win lane hard, win game. Last hit perfectly or almost perfectly. Win early game, scale hard off noobs to mid game, win mid game, win game. Then there's just game/map awareness which you would get off playing a lot of games.
I suppose this applies to jungle as well: win the lanes for them?
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2 ways to win solo q singlehandedly:
1- Play an aoe ap carry, annie preferably. Dominate your lane, either with kills or cs (preferably both). Get more ap faster than anyone else can think about leveling up or getting defense, win by dominating every teamfight prior to late game. This generally works despite moron teammates, as you should be able to use them as meatshields.
2- Play a carry jungle, nocturne, fidds, gangplank, yi. Gank and get kills, putting your team ahead and letting you get your offensive item (GB or Triforce) then build tanky. You will do more damage then anyone else, and be unkillable. Same principle as the ap carry, but this time you cant use your teammates as meatshields, but gain better pushing power. NOTE: This only works if you are at an elo where people are idiots and are open for ganks. Not advisable for higher elos.
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On June 28 2011 04:45 JackDino wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 04:24 HazMat wrote:
Fiddle is strong, gtr is just being ignorant as usual. Also, Solo queue is NOT a coinflip.
People need to accept the fact that they're not as good as they are and stop crying.
Just look at the welfare thread. I'm an 1800 Elo player so I have no problem winning at 1500 Elo. Theres no fucking luck in there, I just play better than everyone else and win. Really? how do you win if you get shit like clarity yi feeding or heal warwick feeding. Without playing someone who can 1v5.
You outplay their team so hard that their whole team 'feeds' you, and you get like 100 last hits.
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Easiest to carry with a tanky DPS like Jarven. Once you get fed nobody can kill you and you can just 1v5 their whole team even if your entire team is useless.
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I've been playing a lot on EU lately, and I'd have to say the troll to tryhard ratio is much higher in ranked than it has been ever. I've had much better luck with solid play by my teammates in normal and ARAM games.
1727 ELO
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I think you keep losing because your Radeon 5870 keeps crashing to a white screen.
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On July 01 2011 18:24 Dgiese wrote:
I think you keep losing because your Radeon 5870 keeps crashing to a white screen.
Heh, it's not helping
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Ehh, usually what I see is that people don't help teammates and then cry at them for feeding and being the reason why they are in low ELOs. Hint, Annie leaves mid. Don't just call mia, don't just ping it, FOLLOW HER. Kite her if she has the ability to kill you. Your teammates will be able to easily look at the map and see Annie is coming, your jungle will get into position, bot will come to help. Maybe the fight won't go so well, oh well. But at least you didn't straight up give Annie a double kill tower dive because you called "mia" and thought your job was done. When someone is gone from your lane, if it looks like they could get a kill in a lane and it's safe to leave your lane, go help.
This also means that as top you should really take teleport (they always do so in high ELO EU according to streams). Why? Because if bot is feeding, you tele gank. You force 4v5 dragons. It doesn't matter if you win your lane if you don't save your teammates and get yourself fed from actually fighting.
'This also means that if you're jungling, gank gank gank. Every time your ult is up, gank. Yes, you won't be as farmed, but what farm you're giving up is for your teammates. If you get a kill you get farm anyways, but making the other team back up due to pressure makes them miss minions and get behind in levels which makes them just as easy to kill as wriaths + wolves would have. Plus it keeps your team from feeding.
Actively make your team stop feeding like this and you'll step up a lot. Think of it like this, just assume the ELO system works. The person who is feeding is about the same skill level as you, but they had a bad lane, now they aren't as tanky as you, are getting discouraged, face checking since they are dying for a successful kill otherwise the game is over for them, etc. You can do two things:
A) Tell them they will get reported
B) Gank their lane so even if it's not successful, they can farm and catch up in levels. Put a ward for them if they're too dumb too/can't go back right now because that would cost them precious farm that they need to get back in the game.
You're at your ELO for a reason. It's a coin flip but it's not a fair coin, the coin is slightly favoring you if you're good and helping your team and it's slightly against you if you're not. If you're stabilized, you have a fair coin, so that tells you something about your play.
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
Way to win solo Queue :
1. Pick Karthus
2. Pick Annie
3. Pick Brand
Can't lose with that @ 1200-1500 ELO
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Annie or Brand would be superior to Karthus because of the frontloaded burst!
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EPT
