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UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
May 08 2011 20:10 GMT
#14301
it helps jax kill you if you're like four levels lower than him and have no good cc and run at him two at a time and let him charge his ult up beforehand
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
unichan
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States4223 Posts
May 08 2011 20:44 GMT
#14302
Here I will say something that might sound remotely intelligent about how tanks can farm better bot lane with the support to babysit them (imo) and they don't need the levels as much as the carry. If you put a singed/shen/malph top they might get zoned a lil so they won't be able to get as many last hits as if you had like caitlyn or something top, whereas if you had a janna/soraka/sona with your tank they can help make sure you get as many last hits as possible.

and now I have a story which no one will care about.
So one day I was looking around for someone to duo with from TL because I am a baddie. Unfortunately no one wanted to take me up on my offer so I was sad and lonely, and had to get duo q from other places like GingerBROWN, who apparently everyone hates. Then he got high elo and left me 4ever, which broke my heart (I was heartbroken by this btw).
Then, I found someone from TL who was around my elo (but skill level? idk. according to some he has downs syndrome two times over, which is why he is named "twodown"). I asked if he would duo with me, but I was ignored. Later someone told me it was because he didn't want to lose (since I'm bad, there is a 25% less chance of him finding someone to carry him u know)

Then I told him I like chipotle, so he invited me to play. I was really excited so I am telling u all about this event because i have never duo'd with someone from TL before. anyways i have a screenshot of our first duo q. we went to chipotle and ate mexican food. gg i will remember this moment 4ever
[image loading]
:)
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
May 08 2011 20:47 GMT
#14303
good job unichan, we are all very proud
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-08 20:54:51
May 08 2011 20:53 GMT
#14304
So can anyone explain how to beat epic heal/support setups?

Was arranged 5s with some friends and setups were:

jarv/kassa/ashe/janna/udyr VS soraka/sona/ww/irelia/karthus

As expected team fights were real depressing with them simply outlasting us while we pick up 1-2 kills only.

I guess the obvious answer is spike damage? Then again noct/malz was banned so..
MF instead of ashe could also be a good beat i guess.
"trash micro but win - its marine" MC commentary during HSC 4
unichan
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States4223 Posts
May 08 2011 20:54 GMT
#14305
On May 09 2011 05:53 Senx wrote:
So can anyone explain how to beat epic heal/support setups?

Was arranged 5s with some friends and setups were:

jarv/kassa/ashe/janna/udyr VS soraka/sona/ww/irelia/karthus

ignite
:)
Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
May 08 2011 20:55 GMT
#14306
On May 09 2011 05:54 unichan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2011 05:53 Senx wrote:
So can anyone explain how to beat epic heal/support setups?

Was arranged 5s with some friends and setups were:

jarv/kassa/ashe/janna/udyr VS soraka/sona/ww/irelia/karthus

ignite


didnt work.
"trash micro but win - its marine" MC commentary during HSC 4
unichan
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States4223 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-08 20:57:27
May 08 2011 20:55 GMT
#14307
On May 09 2011 05:55 Senx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2011 05:54 unichan wrote:
On May 09 2011 05:53 Senx wrote:
So can anyone explain how to beat epic heal/support setups?

Was arranged 5s with some friends and setups were:

jarv/kassa/ashe/janna/udyr VS soraka/sona/ww/irelia/karthus

ignite


didnt work.

exec calling?
also can't your kassadin just run in and lulz rape teh sona and soraka late game
:)
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
May 08 2011 21:36 GMT
#14308
unichan you got a third TLer on your team in solo queue, i've never lost when that's happened.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
May 08 2011 21:55 GMT
#14309
Wait, who was number 3?

And uni, I never dodged you cuz i thought we would lose. It was cuz You took to long to respond and I solo;d and my q popped. If i cared about losing ranked games I'd never play anyone but amumu.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
unichan
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States4223 Posts
May 08 2011 22:03 GMT
#14310
On May 09 2011 06:36 zulu_nation8 wrote:
unichan you got a third TLer on your team in solo queue, i've never lost when that's happened.

Whoz the third, I never seen those people in my life.
:)
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
May 08 2011 22:10 GMT
#14311
think ive seen ayux3 in channel
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
May 08 2011 22:16 GMT
#14312
Which goes to show, no matter how many TLer's you have on your team, the non-TLer will carry you.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
TL Blazeraid
Profile Joined January 2011
566 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-08 22:18:45
May 08 2011 22:18 GMT
#14313
Can someone who knows for sure how Ardor works clarify exactly how it scales with aspd?
(if it bonuses per-level aspd, skill steroid aspd, etc... and how)
unichan
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States4223 Posts
May 08 2011 23:09 GMT
#14314
zilean is going more and more into irrelevancy whee
:)
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
May 08 2011 23:13 GMT
#14315
On May 09 2011 07:18 TL Blazeraid wrote:
Can someone who knows for sure how Ardor works clarify exactly how it scales with aspd?
(if it bonuses per-level aspd, skill steroid aspd, etc... and how)


Items only afaik.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
May 08 2011 23:57 GMT
#14316
On May 09 2011 08:13 BlackPaladin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2011 07:18 TL Blazeraid wrote:
Can someone who knows for sure how Ardor works clarify exactly how it scales with aspd?
(if it bonuses per-level aspd, skill steroid aspd, etc... and how)


Items only afaik.


I'm pretty sure its just base. Almost every mastery only works off of base stats
iamphrost.tumblr.com // http://howtobebettermagicplayer.tumblr.com // twitter @phrost_
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-09 00:06:28
May 09 2011 00:03 GMT
#14317
On May 09 2011 04:22 spinesheath wrote:
He's top to have someone farm up who can teleport bottom and win Dragon fights.

There won't BE a dragon fight if top suddenly disappears--the opposing team just farms lanes and pushes down top tower.

Again, I think Shen is fine as a 1v2 with a roamer. He gets his levels, he gets enough farm to cover his tanking needs, and he's really good at CSing by tower and using taunt as a threat to keep the enemy champions from hitting it. And when Shen ults away after level 6, the roamer can cover bot, hold the tower, and catch up on some levels/farm.

On May 09 2011 08:57 Phrost wrote:
I'm pretty sure its just base. Almost every mastery only works off of base stats

There's no such thing as base AP, so that makes zero sense with Ardor.

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BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
May 09 2011 00:11 GMT
#14318
Masteries

* Ardor
o Now provides all of its benefit at level 1 rather than half at level 1 and the other half scaling up to level 18
o Fixed bugs where Ardor was not counting Ability Power and Attack Speed from many sources - essentially anything that wasn't an item
o Fixed a bug where Ardor and Zhonya's Ring/Rabadon's Deathcap were double multiplicative
o Clarified the tooltip

From the patch notes. Was trying to find the answer on the LoL boards but it wasn't answered in all of the ones I found. =/
I knew there was some bug where it wasn't effecting items, only base stats making it literally useless back then lol, but that was fixed so was 100% sure it affects items.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
ArC_man
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States2798 Posts
May 09 2011 00:19 GMT
#14319
On May 09 2011 05:53 Senx wrote:
So can anyone explain how to beat epic heal/support setups?

Was arranged 5s with some friends and setups were:

jarv/kassa/ashe/janna/udyr VS soraka/sona/ww/irelia/karthus

As expected team fights were real depressing with them simply outlasting us while we pick up 1-2 kills only.

I guess the obvious answer is spike damage? Then again noct/malz was banned so..
MF instead of ashe could also be a good beat i guess.

IMO against a heal team you can't play the poke/kite game unless you have heals yourself. Their team doesn't really have strong tower pushing power (especially if you have ashe/janna clearing the waves like nothing) so if my team were losing, I'd probably try to get the Udyr/Jarvan to split push, try to avoid confrontations, and force them into making a mistake so you can pick off Soraka/Sona with arrow. IMO your team has a mobility advantage so you need to take advantage of that and force teamfights when you're at an advantage.

If you teamfight, you need to make sure your initiation is perfect and you're all focusing the correct target(s) (eg: Ashe needs to arrow someone like Sona/Soraka and one of those two needs to be blown up immediately). I think if you switched Ashe for MF, your team would lack initiation even more (Jarvan would have to be really really farmed).


Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
May 09 2011 01:12 GMT
#14320
On May 09 2011 09:03 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2011 04:22 spinesheath wrote:
He's top to have someone farm up who can teleport bottom and win Dragon fights.

There won't BE a dragon fight if top suddenly disappears--the opposing team just farms lanes and pushes down top tower.

Again, I think Shen is fine as a 1v2 with a roamer. He gets his levels, he gets enough farm to cover his tanking needs, and he's really good at CSing by tower and using taunt as a threat to keep the enemy champions from hitting it. And when Shen ults away after level 6, the roamer can cover bot, hold the tower, and catch up on some levels/farm.

Show nested quote +
On May 09 2011 08:57 Phrost wrote:
I'm pretty sure its just base. Almost every mastery only works off of base stats

There's no such thing as base AP, so that makes zero sense with Ardor.



Some abilities dont have real base damage, doesn't stop the last offensive talent from continuing to suck
iamphrost.tumblr.com // http://howtobebettermagicplayer.tumblr.com // twitter @phrost_
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