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Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
May 08 2011 16:26 GMT
#14281
I dont get why kassa is OP at EU, I mean, it's not like he is hard to counter ;/

renekton I somewhat get, dont get why you would ban him over Jarvan or irelia though.

Ryze and malza are equally gay, not even fun
In the woods, there lurks..
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-08 16:38:47
May 08 2011 16:35 GMT
#14282
On May 08 2011 23:17 Kaniol wrote:
TBH if you managed to somehow convince your allies to give you top as an AD carry you could dominate so hard. But no, shen HAS to take it obviously. Just to lose it after his first ulti

It has always surprised me how Shen and Nunu are such strong picks on EU despite the pretty big holes in the way they are played there (Shen solo top, defensive jungling Nunu that takes absolutely no advantage of his godly counterjungling kit, etc.).

On May 09 2011 01:26 Iplaythings wrote:
I dont get why kassa is OP at EU, I mean, it's not like he is hard to counter ;/

renekton I somewhat get, dont get why you would ban him over Jarvan or irelia though.

Ryze and malza are equally gay, not even fun

Answered before you posted:
On May 08 2011 23:25 spinesheath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2011 23:22 -Kato- wrote:
On May 08 2011 23:02 unichan wrote:
Are you european, I play at 1400-1500 and don't see those bans (kass and malz? lol no one even plays them)


Whaaat? I play 1600 EU and kass and malz are perma 1st and 2nd bans. Don't ban them and you're screwed. Then its Noc/Shen/Ren.

This is precisely because you end up with underfarmed and especially underleveled ranged AD in the bottom lane. Kass is not nearly as scary when he doesn't have a 2-3 level advantage on your ranged AD.

It has been like that on EU for months btw.

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0123456789
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3216 Posts
May 08 2011 17:02 GMT
#14283
Koreans are the least bad mannered people in LoL. Americans #1 bm
Goshawk.
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United Kingdom5338 Posts
May 08 2011 18:03 GMT
#14284
Kass not really banned/picked anymore at high ELO EU, he's been nerfed relatively recently and his laning sucks+no cc. Malz is always banned tho, but that cos he is insane.
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29905 Posts
May 08 2011 18:33 GMT
#14285
That's why u pick teleport on Shen, so You can come back to ur lane after using an ult :3
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unichan
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States4223 Posts
May 08 2011 18:34 GMT
#14286
what is the advantage putting him top anyways
:)
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
May 08 2011 18:35 GMT
#14287
Has there been any news as to when season 1 will end? I'm super determined to become top 10,000 elo by the end of season 1.
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
May 08 2011 18:38 GMT
#14288
On May 09 2011 03:34 unichan wrote:
what is the advantage putting him top anyways

He hits 6 faster.

Shen is put top (instead of mid) because he's pretty safe up there and can farm decently against most champs. Shen is not put bottom because the ranged AD + support bottom lane is religiously enforced on EU. In an extremist, zealous way.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
May 08 2011 18:56 GMT
#14289
On May 09 2011 03:38 spinesheath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2011 03:34 unichan wrote:
what is the advantage putting him top anyways

He hits 6 faster.

Shen is put top (instead of mid) because he's pretty safe up there and can farm decently against most champs. Shen is not put bottom because the ranged AD + support bottom lane is religiously enforced on EU. In an extremist, zealous way.

IMO the strongest way to reliably get Shen to 6 without the issues of him giving up a lane when he ults is to run him with a roamer, who can take the lane once Shen hits 6.
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broz0rs
Profile Joined July 2008
United States2294 Posts
May 08 2011 19:00 GMT
#14290
On May 09 2011 02:02 0123456789 wrote:
Koreans are the least bad mannered people in LoL. Americans #1 bm


lol but they got the most foul mouths.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
May 08 2011 19:02 GMT
#14291
I dunno. I just dont like the idea of wasting farm on a pure tank. I mean, if the other team is any good, then they arent even going to target the tank, so why bother getting extra defensive items? Id much rather have that solo go to a tanky dps or a carry, someone who needs farm in order to do their job effectively.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Niton
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2395 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-08 19:08:35
May 08 2011 19:06 GMT
#14292
On May 09 2011 04:02 Two_DoWn wrote:
I dunno. I just dont like the idea of wasting farm on a pure tank. I mean, if the other team is any good, then they arent even going to target the tank, so why bother getting extra defensive items? Id much rather have that solo go to a tanky dps or a carry, someone who needs farm in order to do their job effectively.


(Active): Shen rapidly dashes to a target location, Taunting enemies he collides with. Restores 50 Energy if you hit a champion.

edit: (Innate): Every 8 seconds, Shen's next attack deals 10 + (5 x level) + (+3.5% of his maximum health) bonus magic damage. Whenever an enemy champion hits Shen with a basic attack, the cooldown is reduced by 2 seconds.

This too. An overlevelled/fed Shen is honestly pretty scary even when he's built tanky. Nothing scarier than fed AP Cow though.
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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
May 08 2011 19:10 GMT
#14293
With a taunt duration that is shorter than most champs attack speed. So basically you are arguing that taking an auto attack from a champion is going to kill him and therefore it is worth wasting a solo on him?

I mean, if there are no other options, shen can at least make use of a solo lane. But you really want to say that he is better top than irelia, jarman, or some tanky dps like that? Someone who can absorb more damage and deal more damage? Or just a straight up carry who can KILL the enemy?

Im not buying it.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
May 08 2011 19:19 GMT
#14294
On May 09 2011 03:35 Chairman Ray wrote:
Has there been any news as to when season 1 will end? I'm super determined to become top 10,000 elo by the end of season 1.

I think after dreamhack so like 2nd week of June? Don't quote me on it though.
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spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
May 08 2011 19:22 GMT
#14295
He's top to have someone farm up who can teleport bottom and win Dragon fights.
Shen typically gets SFC, which is basically the HP and Armor of the base items, and 800 gold that goes into 40 DPS AoE.

If a tank doesn't have enough defense items, a good team WILL actually focus him. Underfarmed tanks explode pretty quickly.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
May 08 2011 19:27 GMT
#14296
On May 08 2011 07:35 Iplaythings wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2011 07:14 Slayer91 wrote:
Hey ScipObama I like your speech but all I gathered from that was.
"carry you guys but I don't rage, IM SO GOOD!"
telling people that they shouldn't rage here isn't going to do anything and EU LP mostly aren't active posters. -.-

Except Shikyo and Spinesheath I cant really come up with names

(idk if you are doing the same as me. US LP, live in EU)


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Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-08 19:29:03
May 08 2011 19:27 GMT
#14297
TBH I think that shen top + carrysupport bot is still played on EU just because everyone plays it. High Elo players aren't experimenting that much nowadays TBH, the revolutions occur usually once someone climbed really high in Elo by abusing something and then inspired others to try it out (like Eve, Urgot, Irelia or Teemo). OFC there are exceptions but i feel like high Elo players experimented by themselves way more like 8-12 months ago

Also I agree with Spines - there's nothing worse than seeing underfarmed tank. However I don't think they desperately need solo lane farm
0123456789
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3216 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-08 19:38:30
May 08 2011 19:30 GMT
#14298
Tanks scale faster in terms of defensiveness than carries do in terms of offensiveness. It costs more for a carry to break a tank then it would cost the tank to nullify a carry, and in a lot of fights, I doubt the carry is going to be attacking someone that's not tanky.
TL Blazeraid
Profile Joined January 2011
566 Posts
May 08 2011 19:32 GMT
#14299
On May 09 2011 01:23 BluzMan wrote:
I got a quadra with Jax recently - I farm top peacefully, Kat and Ashe (extremely underfed) come to gank me, I eat ashe's ult, tank kat's ult with mine killing her, then finish ashe only to find GP and Sona coming to help, GP brings me to about 200 HP before dying and then full HP Sona helplessely watches her dying as GP ult ends and she deals no damage.

Jax is retardedly powerful if people play/pick wrong against him.


Jax (and most melee dps) are strong vs teams with few stuns
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
May 08 2011 19:46 GMT
#14300
On May 09 2011 01:23 BluzMan wrote:
I got a quadra with Jax recently - I farm top peacefully, Kat and Ashe (extremely underfed) come to gank me, I eat ashe's ult, tank kat's ult with mine killing her, then finish ashe only to find GP and Sona coming to help, GP brings me to about 200 HP before dying and then full HP Sona helplessely watches her dying as GP ult ends and she deals no damage.

Jax is retardedly powerful if people play/pick wrong against him.


If you are unable to stunlock a Jax who has a rageblade and a gunblade, you're gonna have a very bad day. You simply won't be able to kill him due to how quickly he'll heal from his vamp and spell vamp.
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