Ben Brode talks RNG in Hearthstone - Page 4

TiberiusAk

United States122 Posts

November 13 2014 16:27 GMT

#61

On November 12 2014 10:58 Reason wrote:
What about spectator mode? Seems to me like you can spectate the opponent and msg your friend on skype what they have.........

Take it a step further and you can spectate your own game -.- ??

For the first case, said opponent would have to have accepted or sent you a friend request already and have automatically-allow-spectating-from-friends turned on or give you permission to spectate them. But remember, in hearthstone it's not possible to friend a player (i.e. see their battle tag #) unless you just played against them or contact them out of game. What are the odds that you had the opportunity to friend your friend's opponent before they played them?

Also, from the videos at Blizzcon, it's clear that if you only spectate one side of the match you cannot see the other player's cards. So for the second case (spectating your own game), you wouldn't be able to see any more than you already can as the original player.

They did also say there will be a way to spectate both sides at once (see both hands, etc), but that will still require you to be on both people's friends list.

Reason

United Kingdom2770 Posts

November 13 2014 17:28 GMT

#62

Hmm I didn't realise you would have to be on both friend lists. I guess that solves it thanks.

Phoobie

Canada120 Posts

November 14 2014 17:02 GMT

#63

I play Hearthstone as well as MTG casually, for MTG i enjoy the Commander or EDH format. For those who don't know, Commander is a casual multiplayer format where each player chooses a legendary creature to serve as the decks general and then builds a 99 card deck for the general to lead. Other than basic land cards you are only allowed one copy of a card in your deck and each card must be in line with the colors of your general, for example, a red/blue commander can ONLY have red, blue, red/blue and colorless cards in the deck.

What this leads to is a high degree of randomness and variance....and fun!

No game of commander ever plays out the same, some players get a strong start with a good hand and win, some start slow and then suddenly take the game while the other players are going at it. This high decree of variance is what makes me coming back each week as games get random and crazy and often leads to laughs and stories to tell.

With that said, there is still separation of skill. The players that are able to build more direct and consistent decks reduces the variance, they play better politics/mind games and over time, win more often.

I wholly agree that a healthy dose of randomness makes games exciting with interesting board states and gives opportunities for the better players make the better choice when faced with these events. The problem is the current tournament format.

For a game like hearthstone you need a more round-robin style format where players play each and every other player at least once, this way, in a 36 player tournament each player will have played 35+ games in just the first one and the better players, over the course of several games, will have a better overall result and advance.

MidnightZL

Sweden203 Posts

November 14 2014 17:42 GMT

#64

On November 11 2014 06:30 awesomoecalypse wrote:

Reynad weighed in on this too, and drew a similar distinction between good and bad rng while acknowledging some RNG cards are good for the game

Reynad, too cool for wow i guess..... what a j***!
Whats the difference between sitting with hearthstone or any other game 8 or more hours per day? You just made yourself a world wide enemy, Reynad!

imallin

United States17 Posts

November 15 2014 00:43 GMT

#65

Reynad's reasoning for animal companion being "bad rng" makes no sense at all. How does a minion that gives any minion of a certain mana cost in the game be less rng than animal companion, which does basically the same thing.

Being able to roll a vanilla 2/3 (Defender of Argus) vs a vanilla 4/5 (Yeti) off of Sky Golem is somehow less volatile than the 3 outcomes of animal companion? This is only true if one outcome of animal companion is extremely undercosted at 3 mana while another is extremely overcosted. All 3 animal companions are actually excellent value at 3 mana.

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