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On June 16 2009 03:35 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2009 03:28 micronesia wrote:
I'm glad nobody gave FA or TL crap for the one hour difference between daylight savings time and standard time (technically it's daylight time in the USA for example, but I'm not sure if that one hour offset when misinterpreting what FA meant would mean one less hour or one additional hour for guide writing... too lazy to think about it XD) I hate trying to figure out what time it is in different places. Between different time zones, different dates, military or non-military time, and daylight savings time, it's just a pain in the ass. I'd also like to thank everyone for the polite responses, even if you don't agree with the entire guide. I'm glad to find that I can post on TL without getting my head bitten off for putting up one thing that people don't always agree with.
don't worry about it dude, I love zombie discussions lol
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On June 16 2009 03:34 chaoser wrote:In regards to having a TV, I definietly agree having something to take your minds off the outbreak as well as a source of news is a good thing to have but at the same time for there to be TV there has to be people manning the broadcasting stations and I doubt anyone will be. Perhaps the military will send out some sort of newscast but in that cast a portable radio would be a lot better. Also, having a safe house is good but in a zombie outbreak nowhere is safe, only safer. Sooner or later you'll have to abandon that safehouse due to various reasons and so it's best not to have too many things while on the move. Also, with guns, there's going to be ammo. So aside from food (in cans/preserved), winter clothing, supplies (water canteens, flashlights, radio, batteries, camping material etc., you're going to have shotguns, assault rifles, etc.) you're going to be so weighed down you won't be able to move fast. Also, with assault rifles, in the heat of the moment you're likely to just going to spam your bullets and probably not kill much. They work on humans cause we feel the pain and fall down. They don't on zombies. Also having these high powered weapons might make you over confident and more cocky and that could also lead to your downfall. I would suggest having two main weapons. First, a crowbar. This is so useful. Not only is it durable and so won't be bent by hits to zombie's heads (some are made with titanium, and cheap) but it affords you range and one can also use it to open doors, crates, etc. that could have useful supplies in them. The second is some sort of long ranged weapon that's silenced and is either bolt action or single shot/semi auto, either a silenced pistol or a rifle. This is to pick off SINGLE zombies. Like I said you would never want to be in the situation where you're surrounded and you're just holding them off with your "trusty" shotgun while you await help. Always be on the move so you're NEVER surrounded. Keep quiet and it'll probably never happen that you'll be surrounded unless you're horribly unlucky and in that situation nothing can help you. Another book by Max Brooks about how a zombie outbreak DOES happen and how the world responds with one of the most realistic strategies I've ever read is:
Very good points. I just wonder what would happen if the "they're coming for you" scenario actually happens, where they're mindlessly drawn to you to eat you no matter how well you hide. While that book is extremely realistic as to what could possibly happen, my post was more light-hearted and included the crazy, not-so-explainable possibilities.
I'd also like to mention that I guess I just assumed (because I live in MN and everyone here shoots guns) that the people that have the guns you choose would not be the overly jittery type and that they know how to shoot a gun properly. You can include the fact that many people may get too hyper and start screwing up their shots and whatnot, but because that would bog down my guide and the discussion even more, I just went with the assumption that the people you hand the guns to are semi-competent.
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On June 16 2009 03:38 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2009 03:34 chaoser wrote:In regards to having a TV, I definietly agree having something to take your minds off the outbreak as well as a source of news is a good thing to have but at the same time for there to be TV there has to be people manning the broadcasting stations and I doubt anyone will be. Perhaps the military will send out some sort of newscast but in that cast a portable radio would be a lot better. Also, having a safe house is good but in a zombie outbreak nowhere is safe, only safer. Sooner or later you'll have to abandon that safehouse due to various reasons and so it's best not to have too many things while on the move. Also, with guns, there's going to be ammo. So aside from food (in cans/preserved), winter clothing, supplies (water canteens, flashlights, radio, batteries, camping material etc., you're going to have shotguns, assault rifles, etc.) you're going to be so weighed down you won't be able to move fast. Also, with assault rifles, in the heat of the moment you're likely to just going to spam your bullets and probably not kill much. They work on humans cause we feel the pain and fall down. They don't on zombies. Also having these high powered weapons might make you over confident and more cocky and that could also lead to your downfall. I would suggest having two main weapons. First, a crowbar. This is so useful. Not only is it durable and so won't be bent by hits to zombie's heads (some are made with titanium, and cheap) but it affords you range and one can also use it to open doors, crates, etc. that could have useful supplies in them. The second is some sort of long ranged weapon that's silenced and is either bolt action or single shot/semi auto, either a silenced pistol or a rifle. This is to pick off SINGLE zombies. Like I said you would never want to be in the situation where you're surrounded and you're just holding them off with your "trusty" shotgun while you await help. Always be on the move so you're NEVER surrounded. Keep quiet and it'll probably never happen that you'll be surrounded unless you're horribly unlucky and in that situation nothing can help you. Another book by Max Brooks about how a zombie outbreak DOES happen and how the world responds with one of the most realistic strategies I've ever read is: Very good points. I just wonder what would happen if the "they're coming for you" scenario actually happens, where they're mindlessly drawn to you to eat you no matter how well you hide. While that book is extremely realistic as to what could possibly happen, my post was more light-hearted and included the crazy, not-so-explainable possibilities. Unless they're voodoo zombies (zombies that have been raised by and are controlled by magic as opposed to a virus) I doubt they'd be able to seek humans out any better than any other predator. Hence why I'm a staunch advocate for a stealth approach to surviving a zombie apocalypse.
Also I did enjoy the guide, it's just rare in this forum to have an excuse to have a discussion about zombies 
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Yeah, ditto what Falcynn said, I liked the guide, but zombies discussions are always fun.
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On June 16 2009 03:42 Falcynn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2009 03:38 Stratos_speAr wrote:On June 16 2009 03:34 chaoser wrote:In regards to having a TV, I definietly agree having something to take your minds off the outbreak as well as a source of news is a good thing to have but at the same time for there to be TV there has to be people manning the broadcasting stations and I doubt anyone will be. Perhaps the military will send out some sort of newscast but in that cast a portable radio would be a lot better. Also, having a safe house is good but in a zombie outbreak nowhere is safe, only safer. Sooner or later you'll have to abandon that safehouse due to various reasons and so it's best not to have too many things while on the move. Also, with guns, there's going to be ammo. So aside from food (in cans/preserved), winter clothing, supplies (water canteens, flashlights, radio, batteries, camping material etc., you're going to have shotguns, assault rifles, etc.) you're going to be so weighed down you won't be able to move fast. Also, with assault rifles, in the heat of the moment you're likely to just going to spam your bullets and probably not kill much. They work on humans cause we feel the pain and fall down. They don't on zombies. Also having these high powered weapons might make you over confident and more cocky and that could also lead to your downfall. I would suggest having two main weapons. First, a crowbar. This is so useful. Not only is it durable and so won't be bent by hits to zombie's heads (some are made with titanium, and cheap) but it affords you range and one can also use it to open doors, crates, etc. that could have useful supplies in them. The second is some sort of long ranged weapon that's silenced and is either bolt action or single shot/semi auto, either a silenced pistol or a rifle. This is to pick off SINGLE zombies. Like I said you would never want to be in the situation where you're surrounded and you're just holding them off with your "trusty" shotgun while you await help. Always be on the move so you're NEVER surrounded. Keep quiet and it'll probably never happen that you'll be surrounded unless you're horribly unlucky and in that situation nothing can help you. Another book by Max Brooks about how a zombie outbreak DOES happen and how the world responds with one of the most realistic strategies I've ever read is: Very good points. I just wonder what would happen if the "they're coming for you" scenario actually happens, where they're mindlessly drawn to you to eat you no matter how well you hide. While that book is extremely realistic as to what could possibly happen, my post was more light-hearted and included the crazy, not-so-explainable possibilities. Unless they're voodoo zombies (zombies that have been raised by and are controlled by magic as opposed to a virus) I doubt they'd be able to seek humans out any better than any other predator. Hence why I'm a staunch advocate for a stealth approach to surviving a zombie apocalypse. Also I did enjoy the guide, it's just rare in this forum to have an excuse to have a discussion about zombies
Well it does seem that way in several movies. Night of the Living Dead and Dawn of the Dead both have zombies slowly coming to the house/mall, despite their relative sneakyness. Several other movies are the same way; they're just kinda chillin' and livin' at their place and zombies just stroll up and "knock on the door", despite never really being led there.
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Zurich15325 Posts
On June 16 2009 01:54 Stratos_speAr wrote:
2) Water. Duh.
And once again, an entire survival plan foiled by this tiny little detail. Why does EVERY end game survival strategy happen to not include a section on how to get drinkable water? I seriously don't get it. 25 paragraphs about secondary stuff and then "Water. Duh". Yeah duh. How are you going to get water? From the supermarket? How much do you figure you can carry? How long is it going to last? What are you going to do then? Wait for rain? What if you live in Southern California, like most people? Say you are lucky enough to live somewhere where actual rivers still exist. How long till the rivers will be poisoned by the bodies of the infected?
EVERY end game survival guide should start with: Water - this is ALL you need to think about. How to get a lasting, reliable source of drinking water must be your no 1 priority, everything else is laughably unimportant. Half your guide should be about how to secure water. Learn how to locate underground water. Acquire equipment. Learn drilling. Acquire drilling equipment. Prepare a well at your save house. And at your backup house. Learn about filtering water. Learn how to save rain water.
It is all about getting water. If you know how to drill for drinkable water you will be end game king. All wannabe survivors who are locked up, stocked with food and armed to the teeth will look pretty stupid after a week of shooting up zombies.
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On June 16 2009 03:56 zatic wrote:And once again, an entire survival plan foiled by this tiny little detail. Why does EVERY end game survival strategy happen to not include a section on how to get drinkable water? I seriously don't get it. 25 paragraphs about secondary stuff and then "Water. Duh". Yeah duh. How are you going to get water? From the supermarket? How much do you figure you can carry? How long is it going to last? What are you going to do then? Wait for rain? What if you live in Southern California, like most people? Say you are lucky enough to live somewhere where actual rivers still exist. How long till the rivers will be poisoned by the bodies of the infected? EVERY end game survival guide should start with: Water - this is ALL you need to think about. How to get a lasting, reliable source of drinking water must be your no 1 priority, everything else is laughably unimportant. Half your guide should be about how to secure water. Learn how to locate underground water. Acquire equipment. Learn drilling. Acquire drilling equipment. Prepare a well at your save house. And at your backup house. Learn about filtering water. Learn how to save rain water. It is all about getting water. If you know how to drill for drinkable water you will be end game king. All wannabe survivors who are locked up, stocked with food and armed to the teeth will look pretty stupid after a week of shooting up zombies.
Well, first of all, I SPECIFICALLY said in a later post that this ISN'T an end game survival strategy guide. I never even mention it being one in the guide. I actually specifically say that I will outline how to set up your initial safe house. Secondly, going to Cub and/or Walmart, you can just stock up your vehicle with all the bottles of water you can find (at least my local Walmart and grocery store have literally hundreds of packs of water bottles at the). This can last you for quite a while and get you set up, which is what my guide does. Furthermore, pretty much any place you bunker up in will have running water for at least the first week or so. Water doesn't just automatically shut off the moment zombies come.
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True. If the zombie survival guide can be trusted, then Solanum (the disease that causes zombification) isn't transferable through water so that part shouldn't be too much of a problem. As for obtaining water, it probably depends a lot on where you plan to hideout, or if you plan to hideout at all. If you have everything you need at home (proper fortifications and an easy escape plan) then you can just run every bath tub, sink, and whatever water source you have and fill up every tub/sink/bucket you have. You can even use toilet water (not for drinking, but anything else you may need water for). Then just wait it out until you feel it's safe enough to escape on foot. If you want to escape at all.
On the move, as zatic mentioned, it should be easy if you have access to lakes or rivers (just keep water purification tablets or if you have a portable stove you can kill most bacteria and viruses by bringing the water to a boil). You can also use tarps to collect the morning dew (it's not much, but every bit counts). If you're in the deserts, as zatic also made mention of, then follow these steps to find water (copy/pasted)
+ Show Spoiler +In an emergency, your map, your eyes and your trowel are your best bets for finding water. Examine the map not only for springs and streams, but also for man-made structures like wells, cattle tanks and windmills. As you hike, look for bright green vegetation. There may be a seep or spring nearby. Keep an eye out for cottonwoods, sycamores and seep willows growing in dry stream beds. They too may mean water is close at hand. If you find damp sand, dig down with your trowel. You may find water further down, or you may be able to wait until the depression fills up. Search out places in canyons where flash-flood waters have scoured away the sand and gravel, exposing bedrock. Shallow depressions in the bedrock, called tinajas, may have trapped pools of rainwater. If you're hiking the ridges in hilly terrain, examine the canyon floors below you for the bright flash of sunlight reflecting in a water-filled pothole. Lava and limestone are porous rocks that often contain springs. A cave in a limestone cliff or a place where lava abuts a sandstone cliff may contain a seep or a spring. Look for the dark stains and green moss that mark seeps in sandstone cliffs. In the high desert in the winter months, examine the shady north sides of cliffs where the sun never shines. Lingering snow patches may provide a source of water. Whatever the source, an easily cleaned water filter will not only remove whatever critters may exist, but also the inevitable sand and silt.
Also, so you don't dehydrate yourself too much, keep your traveling to three hours at dawn, and three hours at dusk. Traveling in the day will cause dehydration much faster, while traveling at night is just asking for trouble in zombie infested lands.
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good point zatic, i never really thought about end game water...I always figured since I live in the north east rain water could be collected and rationed out and we'd have a stash of emergency water from the beginning. In regards to going to some store for water, horrible idea (i didn't even think about this through) because obviously EVERYONE else will be there too and so you got like hundreds of people yelling for shit, people bring trampled and zombies coming from every which way.
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My zombie plan is
1) Get 3 friends.
2) Play L4D and the upcoming L4D2 for hours and hours.
3) Kick ass.
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On June 16 2009 04:13 chaoser wrote:
good point zatic, i never really thought about end game water...I always figured since I live in the north east rain water could be collected and rationed out and we'd have a stash of emergency water from the beginning. In regards to going to some store for water, horrible idea (i didn't even think about this through) because obviously EVERYONE else will be there too and so you got like hundreds of people yelling for shit, people bring trampled and zombies coming from every which way.
You could apply this to everything, and if you do, everyone is screwed because everyone F's each other over. If you have a decent team that works together, you should be able to collect supplies, despite the chaos. A solid team negates the natural chaos that would ensue because of a zombie attack.
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On June 16 2009 04:18 Gumbo wrote:
My zombie plan is
1) Get 3 friends.
2) Play L4D and the upcoming L4D2 for hours and hours.
3) Kick ass.
You can't play L4D 4 player on one console though. >.>
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On June 16 2009 04:03 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2009 03:56 zatic wrote:On June 16 2009 01:54 Stratos_speAr wrote:
2) Water. Duh. And once again, an entire survival plan foiled by this tiny little detail. Why does EVERY end game survival strategy happen to not include a section on how to get drinkable water? I seriously don't get it. 25 paragraphs about secondary stuff and then "Water. Duh". Yeah duh. How are you going to get water? From the supermarket? How much do you figure you can carry? How long is it going to last? What are you going to do then? Wait for rain? What if you live in Southern California, like most people? Say you are lucky enough to live somewhere where actual rivers still exist. How long till the rivers will be poisoned by the bodies of the infected? EVERY end game survival guide should start with: Water - this is ALL you need to think about. How to get a lasting, reliable source of drinking water must be your no 1 priority, everything else is laughably unimportant. Half your guide should be about how to secure water. Learn how to locate underground water. Acquire equipment. Learn drilling. Acquire drilling equipment. Prepare a well at your save house. And at your backup house. Learn about filtering water. Learn how to save rain water. It is all about getting water. If you know how to drill for drinkable water you will be end game king. All wannabe survivors who are locked up, stocked with food and armed to the teeth will look pretty stupid after a week of shooting up zombies. Well, first of all, I SPECIFICALLY said in a later post that this ISN'T an end game survival strategy guide. I never even mention it being one in the guide. I actually specifically say that I will outline how to set up your initial safe house. Secondly, going to Cub and/or Walmart, you can just stock up your vehicle with all the bottles of water you can find (at least my local Walmart and grocery store have literally hundreds of packs of water bottles at the). This can last you for quite a while and get you set up, which is what my guide does. Furthermore, pretty much any place you bunker up in will have running water for at least the first week or so. Water doesn't just automatically shut off the moment zombies come.
If it's just you at your safehouse, then yeah - several hundred bottles of water will last you for months if you're just going by the bare minimum of what the average human needs. After that there's also the consideration of other people at said safe house, which will divide several months worth of water into several weeks, not to mention other luxuries (i.e. cooking, washing, showering, etc.)
The problem here is that everyone else will have the same idea and raid the grocery stores before you do. You are extremely limited by your cargo space in your cars and your storage space in your safehouse. If you need to do this much early planning, then why not think about how to get renewable water?
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Netherlands6142 Posts
I always wondered what'd happen in a European "Zombocalypse" since we don't have malls that stockpile firearms. Maybe write a guide on that too, help us out etc. Fun read though, maybe add some lay-out.
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guns ? flamethrowers ? are you crazy ? there is only one obvious solution :
+ Show Spoiler +
gg zombies :-D
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On June 16 2009 04:32 Pholon wrote:
I always wondered what'd happen in a European "Zombocalypse" since we don't have malls that stockpile firearms. Maybe write a guide on that too, help us out etc. Fun read though, maybe add some lay-out.
Thanks, I'll work on that.
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He forgot to add post-zombie apocalypse tips. Example:
Once the Apocalypse is over and the cavalry arrives:
YELL WORDS AT THE TOP OF YOUR LUNGS. You don't want to get accidentally shot by the military because they think you're a zombie.
WHILE YELLING, STAY OUT OF SIGHT. You don't want to get purposely shot by the military because they're being employed as part of a cover-up.
CLEAN YOURSELF UP. You're less likely to get shot for any reason if you're clean and good-looking. The dirty or ugly people always die first during the apocalypse; this fact doesn't change afterward.
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Haha, this is actually a very good read.
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On June 16 2009 04:32 d3_crescentia wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2009 04:03 Stratos_speAr wrote:On June 16 2009 03:56 zatic wrote:On June 16 2009 01:54 Stratos_speAr wrote:
2) Water. Duh. And once again, an entire survival plan foiled by this tiny little detail. Why does EVERY end game survival strategy happen to not include a section on how to get drinkable water? I seriously don't get it. 25 paragraphs about secondary stuff and then "Water. Duh". Yeah duh. How are you going to get water? From the supermarket? How much do you figure you can carry? How long is it going to last? What are you going to do then? Wait for rain? What if you live in Southern California, like most people? Say you are lucky enough to live somewhere where actual rivers still exist. How long till the rivers will be poisoned by the bodies of the infected? EVERY end game survival guide should start with: Water - this is ALL you need to think about. How to get a lasting, reliable source of drinking water must be your no 1 priority, everything else is laughably unimportant. Half your guide should be about how to secure water. Learn how to locate underground water. Acquire equipment. Learn drilling. Acquire drilling equipment. Prepare a well at your save house. And at your backup house. Learn about filtering water. Learn how to save rain water. It is all about getting water. If you know how to drill for drinkable water you will be end game king. All wannabe survivors who are locked up, stocked with food and armed to the teeth will look pretty stupid after a week of shooting up zombies. Well, first of all, I SPECIFICALLY said in a later post that this ISN'T an end game survival strategy guide. I never even mention it being one in the guide. I actually specifically say that I will outline how to set up your initial safe house. Secondly, going to Cub and/or Walmart, you can just stock up your vehicle with all the bottles of water you can find (at least my local Walmart and grocery store have literally hundreds of packs of water bottles at the). This can last you for quite a while and get you set up, which is what my guide does. Furthermore, pretty much any place you bunker up in will have running water for at least the first week or so. Water doesn't just automatically shut off the moment zombies come. If it's just you at your safehouse, then yeah - several hundred bottles of water will last you for months if you're just going by the bare minimum of what the average human needs. After that there's also the consideration of other people at said safe house, which will divide several months worth of water into several weeks, not to mention other luxuries (i.e. cooking, washing, showering, etc.) The problem here is that everyone else will have the same idea and raid the grocery stores before you do. You are extremely limited by your cargo space in your cars and your storage space in your safehouse. If you need to do this much early planning, then why not think about how to get renewable water?
Not everyone else will have the same idea because not everyone is that intelligent. Futhermore, I'm willing to bet that not that many people actually read this guide or will read it. If you stockpile hundereds of packs of bottled water, along with the running water you have for a while, it should definitely last your whole company for at least a month or two, and this guide only sets up for the initial stages. Finally, this guide isn't that extensive on the early planning, it's just a first reaction guide in case the supposedly impossible happens. Obviously you'll need to set up for a more long term stay (if that's your plan) and that's what I've left open with stocks of vehicles, weapons, and escape routes. I just didn't want to cover that because I didn't want to make this an extensive, long-term guide.
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On June 16 2009 04:39 garmule2 wrote:
He forgot to add post-zombie apocalypse tips. Example:
Once the Apocalypse is over and the cavalry arrives:
YELL WORDS AT THE TOP OF YOUR LUNGS. You don't want to get accidentally shot by the military because they think you're a zombie.
WHILE YELLING, STAY OUT OF SIGHT. You don't want to get purposely shot by the military because they're being employed as part of a cover-up.
CLEAN YOURSELF UP. You're less likely to get shot for any reason if you're clean and good-looking. The dirty or ugly people always die first during the apocalypse; this fact doesn't change afterward.
Hah, nice tips.
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