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On May 29 2009 07:07 Diomedes wrote:
FieryBalrog, ever heard of the golden rule? Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."?
I know exactly what the golden rule is.
Why are you having this much trouble understanding this example?
You are the one who asked me if I'd be OK with people treating me like a farm animal since I'm OK with the way people treat farm animals.
You don't want people to deprive you of a home, yet you deprive other creatures of theirs.
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
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I don't expect any creature to not build a home just to make sure they don't get in the way of anyone elses.
You just make that up.
What you repeat just now proves you don't want to understand the golden rule. I accuse you of double think.
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On May 29 2009 07:12 Diomedes wrote:
I don't expect any creature to not build a home just to make sure they don't get in the way of anyone elses.
And I don't expect creatures not to eat meat if meat is a natural part of their diet.
Not to mention your house didn't just "get in the way", it destroyed some creatures homes.
And the highways you drive on demolished habitats. Etc.
I mean, I don't personally treat farm animals badly since I don't come into contact with them. So I'm doing unto others just fine, am I not?
Yet you expect me to take responsibility because I buy meat.
Well then, I expect you to take responsibility for the consequences for driving on a highway that was built and destroyed the habitat of thousands of creatures if not more. Etc.
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Well you need to get B12, and if i'm correct the only way to get B12 is by eating animals. or animal products
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On May 29 2009 06:42 FieryBalrog wrote:
We are just disagreeing over where to draw the line. There is no qualitative moral difference on either side even though some might claim it.
I have been vegan long enough to know better than to read through discussions like this. I just read the first and last pages... 
Anyway, I really like what you said here. That's my exact position on vegetarianism, I don't believe it has anything to do with being morally correct, or that it makes me better than someone else. It all comes to down to where we draw the line.
Most people here won't eat dog/cat meat. There are cultures where that is pretty common. It doesn't make anyone any better than them. I just draw the line somewhere else.
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It doesn't matter if you mistreat the animals personally or not. I'd even argue that generally they are never mistreated by a human, just by the system as a whole.
You are responsible for your own actions. Appy the golden rule. Of course you are responsible. How can you even act surprised at this.
I don't drive highways and yes I do take responsible for my own actions. I don't break the golden rule by building a house, which I never did btw. I could someday and when I do I surely will think about what is the best way to construct a house and that will include the enviroment. And I can do so because of the golden rule.
The golden rule is the answer to the problem you think it creates. Which proves you don't understand it.
So you don't take any responsibility for your actions, yet accuse me that I don't and should. You admit you refuse to apply the golden rule. Yet you try to use it against me while I do follow it.
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I will never stop eating meat, regardless of what people say. I believe that eating meat is natural. Yes animal cruelty is a terrible thing, but as long as those terrible farms continue to produce meat for me to eat i'm perfectly happy with it.
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On May 29 2009 07:15 FieryBalrog wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2009 07:12 Diomedes wrote:
I don't expect any creature to not build a home just to make sure they don't get in the way of anyone elses. And I don't expect creatures not to eat meat if meat is a natural part of their diet. Not to mention your house didn't just "get in the way", it destroyed some creatures homes. And the highways you drive on demolished habitats. Etc. I mean, I don't personally treat farm animals badly since I don't come into contact with them. So I'm doing unto others just fine, am I not? Yet you expect me to take responsibility because I buy meat. Well then, I expect you to take responsibility for the consequences for driving on a highway that was built and destroyed the habitat of thousands of creatures if not more. Etc.
Driving on a highway doesn't directly harm anything.
You should take responsibility if you buy meat, not to be preachy or anything, but if you're going to say it like that then I'm going to answer likewise.
The highway exists because a while ago people did some bad stuff, but now it's here. Not driving on the highway won't do any good. Not buying meat in a supermarket on the other hand, would DIRECTLY affect an animal. You can say it's second hand and indirect or whatever but you're representing the consumer.
And yes, I would say that if you have a chicken burger in the house, and it'll go off by tommorow and you're hungry and noone else can possibly eat the chicken burger, then you can eat the chicken burger without feeling any guilt.
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On May 29 2009 07:23 Piy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2009 07:15 FieryBalrog wrote:On May 29 2009 07:12 Diomedes wrote:
I don't expect any creature to not build a home just to make sure they don't get in the way of anyone elses. And I don't expect creatures not to eat meat if meat is a natural part of their diet. Not to mention your house didn't just "get in the way", it destroyed some creatures homes. And the highways you drive on demolished habitats. Etc. I mean, I don't personally treat farm animals badly since I don't come into contact with them. So I'm doing unto others just fine, am I not? Yet you expect me to take responsibility because I buy meat. Well then, I expect you to take responsibility for the consequences for driving on a highway that was built and destroyed the habitat of thousands of creatures if not more. Etc. Driving on a highway doesn't directly harm anything. You should take responsibility if you buy meat, not to be preachy or anything, but if you're going to say it like that then I'm going to answer likewise. The highway exists because a while ago people did some bad stuff, but now it's here. Not driving on the highway won't do any good. Not buying meat in a supermarket on the other hand, would DIRECTLY affect an animal. You can say it's second hand and indirect or whatever but you're representing the consumer. And yes, I would say that if you have a chicken burger in the house, and it'll go off by tommorow and you're hungry and noone else can possibly eat the chicken burger, then you can eat the chicken burger without feeling any guilt.
Isn't road tax analogous to the cost of meat in this case?
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On May 29 2009 07:21 Diomedes wrote:
It doesn't matter if you mistreat the animals personally or not. I'd even argue that generally they are never mistreated by a human, just by the system as a whole.
You are responsible for your own actions. Appy the golden rule. Of course you are responsible. How can you even act surprised at this.
I don't drive highways and yes I do take responsible for my own actions. I don't break the golden rule by building a house, which I never did btw. I could someday and when I do I surely will think about what is the best way to construct a house and that will include the enviroment. And I can do so because of the golden rule.
The golden rule is the answer to the problem you think it creates. Which proves you don't understand it.
So you don't take any responsibility for your actions, yet accuse me that I don't and should. You admit you refuse to apply the golden rule. Yet you try to use it against me while I do follow it.
You say "It doesn't matter if you mistreat the animals personally or not." But then get defensive and say that you "personally" have never built a house so you are ok? What do you live in now?
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On May 29 2009 07:27 seppolevne wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2009 07:21 Diomedes wrote:
It doesn't matter if you mistreat the animals personally or not. I'd even argue that generally they are never mistreated by a human, just by the system as a whole.
You are responsible for your own actions. Appy the golden rule. Of course you are responsible. How can you even act surprised at this.
I don't drive highways and yes I do take responsible for my own actions. I don't break the golden rule by building a house, which I never did btw. I could someday and when I do I surely will think about what is the best way to construct a house and that will include the enviroment. And I can do so because of the golden rule.
The golden rule is the answer to the problem you think it creates. Which proves you don't understand it.
So you don't take any responsibility for your actions, yet accuse me that I don't and should. You admit you refuse to apply the golden rule. Yet you try to use it against me while I do follow it. You say "It doesn't matter if you mistreat the animals personally or not." But then get defensive and say that you "personally" have never built a house so you are ok? What do you live in now?
Lol, just what I was about to point out. Anyway, isn't FieryBalrog saying that he doesn't live by the golden rule anyway?
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He claimed I build a house. I never did.
It has nothing to do with me claiming I am not responsible for the consequences of 'consuming' this house.
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On May 29 2009 07:23 Piy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2009 07:15 FieryBalrog wrote:On May 29 2009 07:12 Diomedes wrote:
I don't expect any creature to not build a home just to make sure they don't get in the way of anyone elses. And I don't expect creatures not to eat meat if meat is a natural part of their diet. Not to mention your house didn't just "get in the way", it destroyed some creatures homes. And the highways you drive on demolished habitats. Etc. I mean, I don't personally treat farm animals badly since I don't come into contact with them. So I'm doing unto others just fine, am I not? Yet you expect me to take responsibility because I buy meat. Well then, I expect you to take responsibility for the consequences for driving on a highway that was built and destroyed the habitat of thousands of creatures if not more. Etc. Driving on a highway doesn't directly harm anything. You should take responsibility if you buy meat, not to be preachy or anything, but if you're going to say it like that then I'm going to answer likewise. The highway exists because a while ago people did some bad stuff, but now it's here. Not driving on the highway won't do any good. Not buying meat in a supermarket on the other hand, would DIRECTLY affect an animal. You can say it's second hand and indirect or whatever but you're representing the consumer. And yes, I would say that if you have a chicken burger in the house, and it'll go off by tommorow and you're hungry and noone else can possibly eat the chicken burger, then you can eat the chicken burger without feeling any guilt.
But if no one drove on highways then we wouldn't need them! Then we could give the land back to the animals!
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I just watched the first 10 seconds and I literally screamed of anger. It's been a long time since I lost control like that Oo. Now I just want to murder those fucking monsters.
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The meat I eat doesn't come from slaugherhouses. Even if it did, I would still eat it. Humans can't live based on vegetables ONLY. What about fish? Why don't you vegetarians fight for the fish rights? Oh right, because they are even dumber than those mamals.
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On May 29 2009 07:32 WeSt wrote:
The meat I eat doesn't come from slaugherhouses. Even if it did, I would still eat it. Humans can't live based on vegetables ONLY. What about fish? Why don't you vegetarians fight for the fish rights? Oh right, because they are even dumber than those mamals.
Why do you think humans can't survive without eating meat?
And you think vegetarians eat fish? What's that comment even about?
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On May 29 2009 07:28 Diomedes wrote:
He claimed I build a house. I never did.
It has nothing to do with me claiming I am not responsible for the consequences of 'consuming' this house.
No, he said that you chose to live in a house that while being built, destroyed animals' homes.
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Ok then I misunderstood. Anyway, same point stands. If he understood the golden rule he would know why this is acceptable.
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eh, video didn't effect me. i will continue happily eating meat.
until all humans in the world live in a decent home, and have enough food/water to sustain themselves, i don't give a shit about pigs, cows, and chickens. i personally think people who do, are morons.
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