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On May 21 2009 10:55 Wohmfg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2009 10:39 Misrah wrote:
So funny. Typical TL pseudo- intellectual's discussing evolutionary theory. I just find it funny that so many people find the theory of evolution to be true, and infallible. When in reality biological knowledge is so limited. I am astounded that people actually believe that science can postulate how one cell has propagated into multi-cellular organisms. When currently we do not even understand the mechanism of muscles, to be a giant leap of faith in the theory- and evolution itself. Woah, hold on a sec. No one here is claiming the theory of evolution is infallible. If you want to provide some evidence that evolution doesn't happen then go ahead. How us the mechanism of muscles related to evolution? That's a genuine question and not rhetoric. The fact that we can't come up with an explanation for multicellular organisms doesn't disprove evolution, it just shows that there is a gap in our knowledge. It doesn't mean that all the other pieces of evidence pointing towards evolution can be discounted. What is your alternate theory if you don't believe in evolution?
I agree with your post in general but we HAVE come up with explanations for multicellular organisms. Its just difficult to prove 100%.
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On May 21 2009 10:39 Misrah wrote:
When currently we do not even understand the mechanism of muscles, to be a giant leap of faith in the theory- and evolution itself.
Can someone translate this for me?
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On May 21 2009 11:02 Mindcrime wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2009 10:39 Misrah wrote:
When currently we do not even understand the mechanism of muscles, to be a giant leap of faith in the theory- and evolution itself. Can someone translate this for me?
He doesnt know what hes talking about anyways...
"We don't understand the mechanisms of muscles?" LMAO
Maybe you don't but many many people do Misrah Sorry your understanding of biology is that weak. Open a biology book sometime.
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On May 21 2009 10:55 Wohmfg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2009 10:39 Misrah wrote:
So funny. Typical TL pseudo- intellectual's discussing evolutionary theory. I just find it funny that so many people find the theory of evolution to be true, and infallible. When in reality biological knowledge is so limited. I am astounded that people actually believe that science can postulate how one cell has propagated into multi-cellular organisms. When currently we do not even understand the mechanism of muscles, to be a giant leap of faith in the theory- and evolution itself. Woah, hold on a sec. No one here is claiming the theory of evolution is infallible. If you want to provide some evidence that evolution doesn't happen then go ahead. How us the mechanism of muscles related to evolution? That's a genuine question and not rhetoric. The fact that we can't come up with an explanation for multicellular organisms doesn't disprove evolution, it just shows that there is a gap in our knowledge. It doesn't mean that all the other pieces of evidence pointing towards evolution can be discounted. What is your alternate theory if you don't believe in evolution?
EXACTLY. It's not that we find the current theory of evolutionary biology infalliable or even any percentile complete, this is all irrelevant. The fact of the matter is that evolution is the -only- current SCIENTIFIC THEORY that has a chance of explaining our origins in such a manner.
I do not feel like making -another- post on the difference of a regular theory and a scientific theory. What is even more amazing to me is that there is never no shortage of people to come out and say LOL look at those people actually believing that theory, yet those same people take gravity for granite, when we know more about what evolution has to do with life than gravity has to do with anything.
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On May 21 2009 10:58 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2009 10:55 Wohmfg wrote:On May 21 2009 10:39 Misrah wrote:
So funny. Typical TL pseudo- intellectual's discussing evolutionary theory. I just find it funny that so many people find the theory of evolution to be true, and infallible. When in reality biological knowledge is so limited. I am astounded that people actually believe that science can postulate how one cell has propagated into multi-cellular organisms. When currently we do not even understand the mechanism of muscles, to be a giant leap of faith in the theory- and evolution itself. Woah, hold on a sec. No one here is claiming the theory of evolution is infallible. If you want to provide some evidence that evolution doesn't happen then go ahead. How us the mechanism of muscles related to evolution? That's a genuine question and not rhetoric. The fact that we can't come up with an explanation for multicellular organisms doesn't disprove evolution, it just shows that there is a gap in our knowledge. It doesn't mean that all the other pieces of evidence pointing towards evolution can be discounted. What is your alternate theory if you don't believe in evolution? I agree with your post in general but we HAVE come up with explanations for multicellular organisms. Its just difficult to prove 100%.
This is the problem imo... you people want PROOF as if you can PROVE something.....
NOTHING can be PROVEN in science. Our very existence is JUST a THEORY......
sorry4caps...
edit: lol I'm sure i should have chosen a more accessible example at the redundancy and futility of trying to prove -anything- but i'm not gonna edit it because i just wanted to add this:
WTF is it with people coming into threads on debates and such topics calling people pseudo intellectuals and then adding/contributing nothing to the thread? It might just be me in all my brilliant glory (joking plz no castrate kthnxlol) but the term Pseudo-Intellectual to me is an oxymoron and really has no purpose. It's like in calling someone a Pseudo-Intellectual you attempt to achieve some sort of disregard or discredit and it really just doesn't work well with the word "Intelligent" I don't know, am I the only one this bothers?
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Wow, some of the atheists in here are really tolerant of other beliefs (lol). Very nice guys, you want people to believe in your beliefs and accept them yet you have people like
On May 21 2009 05:59 Motiva wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2009 05:08 Liquid`Drone wrote:I think it's hilarious, also a little sad though, how the theory of evolution is actually a debated issue in usa.  Tell me about it. I've lived all over the U.S.A . (living in Texas now) and man fuck i despise the people that live in my country. For me it's not funny at all. Just mind blowing depressing.
You actually despise a whole country of people because you assume 1) That all of their beliefs do not correlate with you (you are unique in your beliefs among one of the largest nations in the world yeah ok) and 2) because they don't wholeheartedly believe in your beliefs because you want them to. That logic/attitude is a bit reminiscent of the dictators that lead some of the largest massacres in history.
By posting what you just said you just put yourself on the level of the religious zealots that you despise so much. Nice.
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On May 21 2009 11:05 Motiva wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2009 10:55 Wohmfg wrote:On May 21 2009 10:39 Misrah wrote:
So funny. Typical TL pseudo- intellectual's discussing evolutionary theory. I just find it funny that so many people find the theory of evolution to be true, and infallible. When in reality biological knowledge is so limited. I am astounded that people actually believe that science can postulate how one cell has propagated into multi-cellular organisms. When currently we do not even understand the mechanism of muscles, to be a giant leap of faith in the theory- and evolution itself. Woah, hold on a sec. No one here is claiming the theory of evolution is infallible. If you want to provide some evidence that evolution doesn't happen then go ahead. How us the mechanism of muscles related to evolution? That's a genuine question and not rhetoric. The fact that we can't come up with an explanation for multicellular organisms doesn't disprove evolution, it just shows that there is a gap in our knowledge. It doesn't mean that all the other pieces of evidence pointing towards evolution can be discounted. What is your alternate theory if you don't believe in evolution? EXACTLY. It's not that we find the current theory of evolutionary biology infalliable or even any percentile complete, this is all irrelevant. The fact of the matter is that evolution is the -only- current SCIENTIFIC THEORY that has a chance of explaining our origins in such a manner. I do not feel like making -another- post on the difference of a regular theory and a scientific theory. What is even more amazing to me is that there is never no shortage of people to come out and say LOL look at those people actually believing that theory, yet those same people take gravity for granite, when we know more about what evolution has to do with life than gravity has to do with anything.
We can observe gravity in action. It's quite difficult to accurately 'observe' evolution due to the large time spans. Fruit flies, are generally used, but even then it's not accurate because to explain our existence, we have to apply roughly the same environmental / climate, and geneology tree knowledge. It took 4 billion years to get to this point; with hiccups along the way (That is to say, the point where any being has the intellectual capacity to actually 'reason' and question their existence)
We know more about gravity, or I shall say, our knowledge is more complete of the subject, than that of evolution. Poor analogy.
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On May 21 2009 11:08 Pioneer wrote:
By posting what you just said you just put yourself on the level of the religious zealots that you despise so much. Nice.
he just said it was depressing, he didn't make any moral judgment or whatever, calm down, lol
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On May 21 2009 11:07 Motiva wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2009 10:58 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:On May 21 2009 10:55 Wohmfg wrote:On May 21 2009 10:39 Misrah wrote:
So funny. Typical TL pseudo- intellectual's discussing evolutionary theory. I just find it funny that so many people find the theory of evolution to be true, and infallible. When in reality biological knowledge is so limited. I am astounded that people actually believe that science can postulate how one cell has propagated into multi-cellular organisms. When currently we do not even understand the mechanism of muscles, to be a giant leap of faith in the theory- and evolution itself. Woah, hold on a sec. No one here is claiming the theory of evolution is infallible. If you want to provide some evidence that evolution doesn't happen then go ahead. How us the mechanism of muscles related to evolution? That's a genuine question and not rhetoric. The fact that we can't come up with an explanation for multicellular organisms doesn't disprove evolution, it just shows that there is a gap in our knowledge. It doesn't mean that all the other pieces of evidence pointing towards evolution can be discounted. What is your alternate theory if you don't believe in evolution? I agree with your post in general but we HAVE come up with explanations for multicellular organisms. Its just difficult to prove 100%. This is the problem imo... you people want PROOF as if you can PROVE something..... NOTHING can be PROVEN in science. Our very existence is JUST a THEORY...... sorry4caps... edit: lol I'm sure i should have chosen a more accessible example at the redundancy and futility of trying to prove -anything- but i'm not gonna edit it because i just wanted to add this: WTF is it with people coming into threads on debates and such topics calling people pseudo intellectuals and then adding/contributing nothing to the thread? It might just be me in all my brilliant glory (joking plz no castrate kthnxlol) but the term Pseudo-Intellectual to me is an oxymoron and really has no purpose. It's like in calling someone a Pseudo-Intellectual you attempt to achieve some sort of disregard or discredit and it really just doesn't work well with the word "Intelligent" I don't know, am I the only one this bothers?
'Nothing can be proven in science'? Are you kidding me?
In order to delve into why you believe this, I must ask, what is your definition of science?
Secondly, the first sentence you extol is the very thing religious people say. I don't want to ever hear you critique the other aisle.
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On May 21 2009 11:08 Pioneer wrote:Wow, some of the atheists in here are really tolerant of other beliefs (lol). Very nice guys, you want people to believe in your beliefs and accept them yet you have people like Show nested quote +On May 21 2009 05:59 Motiva wrote:On May 21 2009 05:08 Liquid`Drone wrote:I think it's hilarious, also a little sad though, how the theory of evolution is actually a debated issue in usa. Tell me about it. I've lived all over the U.S.A . (living in Texas now) and man fuck i despise the people that live in my country. For me it's not funny at all. Just mind blowing depressing. You actually despise a whole country of people because you assume 1) That all of their beliefs do not correlate with you (you are unique in your beliefs among one of the largest nations in the world yeah ok) and 2) because they don't wholeheartedly believe in your beliefs because you want them to. That logic/attitude is a bit reminiscent of the dictators that lead some of the largest massacres in history. By posting what you just said you just put yourself on the level of the religious zealots that you despise so much. Nice.
LOL well first off, This was being very sarcastic. I don't genuinely "despise" anyone. The act of despising is a very powerful act, and my emotions are nowhere near so volatile...
I suppose I could have worded every single fragment and phrase perfectly to avoid having to make this reply and ect but I really didn't think there was any confusion... I also did not mean my ENTIRE country sir.
Furthermore, You are assuming that because I "despise" many of the people living in my country for their beliefs that I would wholeheartedly want them to assume my beliefs. As such You further assume that my beliefs are mine because they are "unique" among my country. This is not true, my beliefs have been formed by communicating with numerous people from all over the world, including my own. One of the great things about my beliefs is that they are not unique, that they are shared. Shared with people of whom I look up to and find to be among the most brilliant minds in this world... Seriously, either that's the first post you've read by me or....
By posting what you said you just put yourself on the level of the people I "despise" for their ignorant, bias, jump-to-conclusions, can't read between the lines, lack of logic and a disregard for the sanctity of truth.
I'm sorry, all men are not created equal. All men know this on some level. People are stupid. People are Smart. When a situation allows me to make a choice, I'm sorry but I'm bias towards the intelligent.
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On May 21 2009 11:08 Pioneer wrote:Wow, some of the atheists in here are really tolerant of other beliefs (lol). Very nice guys, you want people to believe in your beliefs and accept them yet you have people like Show nested quote +On May 21 2009 05:59 Motiva wrote:On May 21 2009 05:08 Liquid`Drone wrote:I think it's hilarious, also a little sad though, how the theory of evolution is actually a debated issue in usa. Tell me about it. I've lived all over the U.S.A . (living in Texas now) and man fuck i despise the people that live in my country. For me it's not funny at all. Just mind blowing depressing. You actually despise a whole country of people because you assume 1) That all of their beliefs do not correlate with you (you are unique in your beliefs among one of the largest nations in the world yeah ok) and 2) because they don't wholeheartedly believe in your beliefs because you want them to. That logic/attitude is a bit reminiscent of the dictators that lead some of the largest massacres in history. By posting what you just said you just put yourself on the level of the religious zealots that you despise so much. Nice.
I point this out time and time again. They don't listen.
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On May 21 2009 11:16 Aegraen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2009 11:05 Motiva wrote:On May 21 2009 10:55 Wohmfg wrote:On May 21 2009 10:39 Misrah wrote:
So funny. Typical TL pseudo- intellectual's discussing evolutionary theory. I just find it funny that so many people find the theory of evolution to be true, and infallible. When in reality biological knowledge is so limited. I am astounded that people actually believe that science can postulate how one cell has propagated into multi-cellular organisms. When currently we do not even understand the mechanism of muscles, to be a giant leap of faith in the theory- and evolution itself. Woah, hold on a sec. No one here is claiming the theory of evolution is infallible. If you want to provide some evidence that evolution doesn't happen then go ahead. How us the mechanism of muscles related to evolution? That's a genuine question and not rhetoric. The fact that we can't come up with an explanation for multicellular organisms doesn't disprove evolution, it just shows that there is a gap in our knowledge. It doesn't mean that all the other pieces of evidence pointing towards evolution can be discounted. What is your alternate theory if you don't believe in evolution? EXACTLY. It's not that we find the current theory of evolutionary biology infalliable or even any percentile complete, this is all irrelevant. The fact of the matter is that evolution is the -only- current SCIENTIFIC THEORY that has a chance of explaining our origins in such a manner. I do not feel like making -another- post on the difference of a regular theory and a scientific theory. What is even more amazing to me is that there is never no shortage of people to come out and say LOL look at those people actually believing that theory, yet those same people take gravity for granite, when we know more about what evolution has to do with life than gravity has to do with anything. We can observe gravity in action. It's quite difficult to accurately 'observe' evolution due to the large time spans. Fruit flies, are generally used, but even then it's not accurate because to explain our existence, we have to apply roughly the same environmental / climate, and geneology tree knowledge. It took 4 billion years to get to this point; with hiccups along the way (That is to say, the point where any being has the intellectual capacity to actually 'reason' and question their existence) We know more about gravity, or I shall say, our knowledge is more complete of the subject, than that of evolution. Poor analogy.
LOL and you said you knew something about String theory in a previous post. I'm not going to get into our theory of gravity but lets just put it this way. Newton was Wrong, Einstein's theory "proved" this. We now know that Einstien's theory is incomplete, we also know that quantum mechanics is incomplete... You know where the underlying problem is? GRAVITY... We don't know shit about gravity compared to what we know about information theory systems working with cumulative change over millinea..... come on?
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On May 21 2009 11:16 Aegraen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2009 11:05 Motiva wrote:On May 21 2009 10:55 Wohmfg wrote:On May 21 2009 10:39 Misrah wrote:
So funny. Typical TL pseudo- intellectual's discussing evolutionary theory. I just find it funny that so many people find the theory of evolution to be true, and infallible. When in reality biological knowledge is so limited. I am astounded that people actually believe that science can postulate how one cell has propagated into multi-cellular organisms. When currently we do not even understand the mechanism of muscles, to be a giant leap of faith in the theory- and evolution itself. Woah, hold on a sec. No one here is claiming the theory of evolution is infallible. If you want to provide some evidence that evolution doesn't happen then go ahead. How us the mechanism of muscles related to evolution? That's a genuine question and not rhetoric. The fact that we can't come up with an explanation for multicellular organisms doesn't disprove evolution, it just shows that there is a gap in our knowledge. It doesn't mean that all the other pieces of evidence pointing towards evolution can be discounted. What is your alternate theory if you don't believe in evolution? EXACTLY. It's not that we find the current theory of evolutionary biology infalliable or even any percentile complete, this is all irrelevant. The fact of the matter is that evolution is the -only- current SCIENTIFIC THEORY that has a chance of explaining our origins in such a manner. I do not feel like making -another- post on the difference of a regular theory and a scientific theory. What is even more amazing to me is that there is never no shortage of people to come out and say LOL look at those people actually believing that theory, yet those same people take gravity for granite, when we know more about what evolution has to do with life than gravity has to do with anything. We can observe gravity in action. It's quite difficult to accurately 'observe' evolution due to the large time spans. Fruit flies, are generally used, but even then it's not accurate because to explain our existence, we have to apply roughly the same environmental / climate, and geneology tree knowledge. It took 4 billion years to get to this point; with hiccups along the way (That is to say, the point where any being has the intellectual capacity to actually 'reason' and question their existence) We know more about gravity, or I shall say, our knowledge is more complete of the subject, than that of evolution. Poor analogy.
But we can only speculate as to the mechanism of gravity. We have observed evolution and even speciation in the lab. We can infer from fossil records that evolution has taken place, along with other pointers. We understand the mechanism of evolution in great detail.
All we know about gravity is what we've observed, we don't actually understand how it works. We know exactly how evolution works and we have observed it, though not in its entirety.
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On May 21 2009 11:20 Motiva wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2009 11:08 Pioneer wrote:Wow, some of the atheists in here are really tolerant of other beliefs (lol). Very nice guys, you want people to believe in your beliefs and accept them yet you have people like On May 21 2009 05:59 Motiva wrote:On May 21 2009 05:08 Liquid`Drone wrote:I think it's hilarious, also a little sad though, how the theory of evolution is actually a debated issue in usa. Tell me about it. I've lived all over the U.S.A . (living in Texas now) and man fuck i despise the people that live in my country. For me it's not funny at all. Just mind blowing depressing. You actually despise a whole country of people because you assume 1) That all of their beliefs do not correlate with you (you are unique in your beliefs among one of the largest nations in the world yeah ok) and 2) because they don't wholeheartedly believe in your beliefs because you want them to. That logic/attitude is a bit reminiscent of the dictators that lead some of the largest massacres in history. By posting what you just said you just put yourself on the level of the religious zealots that you despise so much. Nice. LOL well first off, This was being very sarcastic. I don't genuinely "despise" anyone. The act of despising is a very powerful act, and my emotions are nowhere near so volatile... I suppose I could have worded every single fragment and phrase perfectly to avoid having to make this reply and ect but I really didn't think there was any confusion... I also did not mean my ENTIRE country sir. Furthermore, You are assuming that because I "despise" many of the people living in my country for their beliefs that I would wholeheartedly want them to assume my beliefs. As such You further assume that my beliefs are mine because they are "unique" among my country. This is not true, my beliefs have been formed by communicating with numerous people from all over the world, including my own. One of the great things about my beliefs is that they are not unique, that they are shared. Shared with people of whom I look up to and find to be among the most brilliant minds in this world... Seriously, either that's the first post you've read by me or.... By posting what you said you just put yourself on the level of the people I "despise" for their ignorant, bias, jump-to-conclusions, can't read between the lines, lack of logic and a disregard for the sanctity of truth. I'm sorry, all men are not created equal. All men know this on some level. People are stupid. People are Smart. When a situation allows me to make a choice, I'm sorry but I'm bias towards the intelligent.
I might point out, that many atheists replace god with scientists. I put my faith, not in scientists, nor in god, rather the principles of science itself, not the people at the helm. Far too often that type of regard, as evident by human history, leads to massive, massive problems. (See the malevolent leading the sheeple in regard to 'Global Warming' and all the havoc politicians and scientists intermingling are creating by creating a false sense of alarm, and inaccurate science (Why would you ever plant 90% of the temperature monitors next to asphalt and pavement and expect to get an accurate reading...hello! (or not recognizing a whole piece of ice the size of california because you didn't know of a malfunctioning unit for..oh...years)). They knew this, more and more science and politics is intermingling to deceive populations...it's getting pretty scary.
Don't put anyone on any sort of pedestal. Admire the science, not the scientists as if they are some greater being divine with wisdom. I too suffer from this a bit with regards to my founders, however, at least I admit it, but I put my political views more inline with philosophy and human nature / history.
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On May 21 2009 11:20 Motiva wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2009 11:08 Pioneer wrote:Wow, some of the atheists in here are really tolerant of other beliefs (lol). Very nice guys, you want people to believe in your beliefs and accept them yet you have people like On May 21 2009 05:59 Motiva wrote:On May 21 2009 05:08 Liquid`Drone wrote:I think it's hilarious, also a little sad though, how the theory of evolution is actually a debated issue in usa. Tell me about it. I've lived all over the U.S.A . (living in Texas now) and man fuck i despise the people that live in my country. For me it's not funny at all. Just mind blowing depressing. You actually despise a whole country of people because you assume 1) That all of their beliefs do not correlate with you (you are unique in your beliefs among one of the largest nations in the world yeah ok) and 2) because they don't wholeheartedly believe in your beliefs because you want them to. That logic/attitude is a bit reminiscent of the dictators that lead some of the largest massacres in history. By posting what you just said you just put yourself on the level of the religious zealots that you despise so much. Nice. LOL well first off, This was being very sarcastic. I don't genuinely "despise" anyone. The act of despising is a very powerful act, and my emotions are nowhere near so volatile... I suppose I could have worded every single fragment and phrase perfectly to avoid having to make this reply and ect but I really didn't think there was any confusion... I also did not mean my ENTIRE country sir. Furthermore, You are assuming that because I "despise" many of the people living in my country for their beliefs that I would wholeheartedly want them to assume my beliefs. As such You further assume that my beliefs are mine because they are "unique" among my country. This is not true, my beliefs have been formed by communicating with numerous people from all over the world, including my own. One of the great things about my beliefs is that they are not unique, that they are shared. Shared with people of whom I look up to and find to be among the most brilliant minds in this world... Seriously, either that's the first post you've read by me or.... By posting what you said you just put yourself on the level of the people I "despise" for their ignorant, bias, jump-to-conclusions, can't read between the lines, lack of logic and a disregard for the sanctity of truth. I'm sorry, all men are not created equal. All men know this on some level. People are stupid. People are Smart. When a situation allows me to make a choice, I'm sorry but I'm bias towards the intelligent.
Damn, I thought I had worded it well enough so that even an idiot could get the sarcastic remarks.
1) That all of their beliefs do not correlate with you (you are unique in your beliefs among one of the largest nations in the world yeah ok) Sarcasm. You decided to word your post like that so I decided to take every thing you said literally. And if someone took what you wrote literally than that's how you came across.
People are stupid. People are Smart. eh?
Do you fall under the former?
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and sigh...... about why we can't prove anything, are you serious? Perhaps you should add a book on the philosophy of science to your Kaku collection... LOL
In order to delve into why you believe this, I must ask, what is your definition of science?
Secondly, the first sentence you extol is the very thing religious people say. I don't want to ever hear you critique the other aisle.
My definition of science is pretty much the Scientific Method, I'm sure I could expand it a bit further to include some logical element if it came to that.
Science doesn't prove anything because all it can do is provide theories. This is because the only thing we can do is collectively attempt to percieve the truth. Regardless of what we know, think we know, or can "prove" the truth is still out there with or without us unchanging. It's hard to just type a few paragraphs to sum this up without really getting into all the philosophy nonsense.... but hmmm
If we can only attempt to percieve "truth" then we can't be sure anything we know is true because we only have our perceptions. What we call the truth might not be the truth, but just the perception of the majority. This is why we can't prove anything. If you can't overcome your experience and perception then the truth is a mystery..... sigh this is so Off Topic and theres no reason for me to conitnue if you haven't followed me up to this point, and if you have then you understand.
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On May 21 2009 11:25 Pioneer wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2009 11:20 Motiva wrote:On May 21 2009 11:08 Pioneer wrote:Wow, some of the atheists in here are really tolerant of other beliefs (lol). Very nice guys, you want people to believe in your beliefs and accept them yet you have people like On May 21 2009 05:59 Motiva wrote:On May 21 2009 05:08 Liquid`Drone wrote:I think it's hilarious, also a little sad though, how the theory of evolution is actually a debated issue in usa. Tell me about it. I've lived all over the U.S.A . (living in Texas now) and man fuck i despise the people that live in my country. For me it's not funny at all. Just mind blowing depressing. You actually despise a whole country of people because you assume 1) That all of their beliefs do not correlate with you (you are unique in your beliefs among one of the largest nations in the world yeah ok) and 2) because they don't wholeheartedly believe in your beliefs because you want them to. That logic/attitude is a bit reminiscent of the dictators that lead some of the largest massacres in history. By posting what you just said you just put yourself on the level of the religious zealots that you despise so much. Nice. LOL well first off, This was being very sarcastic. I don't genuinely "despise" anyone. The act of despising is a very powerful act, and my emotions are nowhere near so volatile... I suppose I could have worded every single fragment and phrase perfectly to avoid having to make this reply and ect but I really didn't think there was any confusion... I also did not mean my ENTIRE country sir. Furthermore, You are assuming that because I "despise" many of the people living in my country for their beliefs that I would wholeheartedly want them to assume my beliefs. As such You further assume that my beliefs are mine because they are "unique" among my country. This is not true, my beliefs have been formed by communicating with numerous people from all over the world, including my own. One of the great things about my beliefs is that they are not unique, that they are shared. Shared with people of whom I look up to and find to be among the most brilliant minds in this world... Seriously, either that's the first post you've read by me or.... By posting what you said you just put yourself on the level of the people I "despise" for their ignorant, bias, jump-to-conclusions, can't read between the lines, lack of logic and a disregard for the sanctity of truth. I'm sorry, all men are not created equal. All men know this on some level. People are stupid. People are Smart. When a situation allows me to make a choice, I'm sorry but I'm bias towards the intelligent. Damn, I thought I had worded it well enough so that even an idiot could get the sarcastic remarks. Show nested quote +1) That all of their beliefs do not correlate with you (you are unique in your beliefs among one of the largest nations in the world yeah ok) Sarcasm. You decided to word your post like that so I decided to take every thing you said literally. And if someone took what you wrote literally than that's how you came across. People are stupid. People are Smart. eh? Do you fall under the former?
What's your point? Why are you trolling me? I explained that my post could have been worded better and that I don't really DESPISE anyone. Disagree with? Yes? What do you want troll? Stop clogging a fine thread.
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On May 21 2009 11:23 Motiva wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2009 11:16 Aegraen wrote:On May 21 2009 11:05 Motiva wrote:On May 21 2009 10:55 Wohmfg wrote:On May 21 2009 10:39 Misrah wrote:
So funny. Typical TL pseudo- intellectual's discussing evolutionary theory. I just find it funny that so many people find the theory of evolution to be true, and infallible. When in reality biological knowledge is so limited. I am astounded that people actually believe that science can postulate how one cell has propagated into multi-cellular organisms. When currently we do not even understand the mechanism of muscles, to be a giant leap of faith in the theory- and evolution itself. Woah, hold on a sec. No one here is claiming the theory of evolution is infallible. If you want to provide some evidence that evolution doesn't happen then go ahead. How us the mechanism of muscles related to evolution? That's a genuine question and not rhetoric. The fact that we can't come up with an explanation for multicellular organisms doesn't disprove evolution, it just shows that there is a gap in our knowledge. It doesn't mean that all the other pieces of evidence pointing towards evolution can be discounted. What is your alternate theory if you don't believe in evolution? EXACTLY. It's not that we find the current theory of evolutionary biology infalliable or even any percentile complete, this is all irrelevant. The fact of the matter is that evolution is the -only- current SCIENTIFIC THEORY that has a chance of explaining our origins in such a manner. I do not feel like making -another- post on the difference of a regular theory and a scientific theory. What is even more amazing to me is that there is never no shortage of people to come out and say LOL look at those people actually believing that theory, yet those same people take gravity for granite, when we know more about what evolution has to do with life than gravity has to do with anything. We can observe gravity in action. It's quite difficult to accurately 'observe' evolution due to the large time spans. Fruit flies, are generally used, but even then it's not accurate because to explain our existence, we have to apply roughly the same environmental / climate, and geneology tree knowledge. It took 4 billion years to get to this point; with hiccups along the way (That is to say, the point where any being has the intellectual capacity to actually 'reason' and question their existence) We know more about gravity, or I shall say, our knowledge is more complete of the subject, than that of evolution. Poor analogy. LOL and you said you knew something about String theory in a previous post. I'm not going to get into our theory of gravity but lets just put it this way. Newton was Wrong, Einstein's theory "proved" this. We now know that Einstien's theory is incomplete, we also know that quantum mechanics is incomplete... You know where the underlying problem is? GRAVITY... We don't know shit about gravity compared to what we know about information theory systems working with cumulative change over millinea..... come on?
You missed the whole point. We know the mechanic of gravity exists for a fact. We can test it, measure it, and observe it. We may not understand 'how' it works, but we know it in fact exists.
Evolution on the other hand, has never been observed on a scale of such to see how different species in the same tree can turn out so different visually, and biologically. That is because of the long time span, we can only 'infer' or guess based on a hypothesis. Until we actually observe the evolutionary leaps and jumps, we can't conclusively say anything on the macro scale of evolution. We understand the micro scale of evolution pretty well, and we can extrapolate that to macro scale, but it doesn't give us as clear a picture. We have evidence that dinosaurs evolved into birds (avian), but if dinosaurs presumably (as much as we know) were wiped out relatively quickly, how come there is no fossil records of bird like species at the time of dinosaurs? Archeoptrix (sp?), is the closest link if I remember correctly, and that is very inconclusive to make such a giant leap.
So, yes, our understanding of the mechanics of gravity are vastly superior to that of evolution.
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On May 21 2009 11:25 Aegraen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2009 11:20 Motiva wrote:On May 21 2009 11:08 Pioneer wrote:Wow, some of the atheists in here are really tolerant of other beliefs (lol). Very nice guys, you want people to believe in your beliefs and accept them yet you have people like On May 21 2009 05:59 Motiva wrote:On May 21 2009 05:08 Liquid`Drone wrote:I think it's hilarious, also a little sad though, how the theory of evolution is actually a debated issue in usa. Tell me about it. I've lived all over the U.S.A . (living in Texas now) and man fuck i despise the people that live in my country. For me it's not funny at all. Just mind blowing depressing. You actually despise a whole country of people because you assume 1) That all of their beliefs do not correlate with you (you are unique in your beliefs among one of the largest nations in the world yeah ok) and 2) because they don't wholeheartedly believe in your beliefs because you want them to. That logic/attitude is a bit reminiscent of the dictators that lead some of the largest massacres in history. By posting what you just said you just put yourself on the level of the religious zealots that you despise so much. Nice. LOL well first off, This was being very sarcastic. I don't genuinely "despise" anyone. The act of despising is a very powerful act, and my emotions are nowhere near so volatile... I suppose I could have worded every single fragment and phrase perfectly to avoid having to make this reply and ect but I really didn't think there was any confusion... I also did not mean my ENTIRE country sir. Furthermore, You are assuming that because I "despise" many of the people living in my country for their beliefs that I would wholeheartedly want them to assume my beliefs. As such You further assume that my beliefs are mine because they are "unique" among my country. This is not true, my beliefs have been formed by communicating with numerous people from all over the world, including my own. One of the great things about my beliefs is that they are not unique, that they are shared. Shared with people of whom I look up to and find to be among the most brilliant minds in this world... Seriously, either that's the first post you've read by me or.... By posting what you said you just put yourself on the level of the people I "despise" for their ignorant, bias, jump-to-conclusions, can't read between the lines, lack of logic and a disregard for the sanctity of truth. I'm sorry, all men are not created equal. All men know this on some level. People are stupid. People are Smart. When a situation allows me to make a choice, I'm sorry but I'm bias towards the intelligent. I might point out, that many atheists replace god with scientists. I put my faith, not in scientists, nor in god, rather the principles of science itself, not the people at the helm. Far too often that type of regard, as evident by human history, leads to massive, massive problems. (See the malevolent leading the sheeple in regard to 'Global Warming' and all the havoc politicians and scientists intermingling are creating by creating a false sense of alarm, and inaccurate science (Why would you ever plant 90% of the temperature monitors next to asphalt and pavement and expect to get an accurate reading...hello! (or not recognizing a whole piece of ice the size of california because you didn't know of a malfunctioning unit for..oh...years)). They knew this, more and more science and politics is intermingling to deceive populations...it's getting pretty scary. Don't put anyone on any sort of pedestal. Admire the science, not the scientists as if they are some greater being divine with wisdom. I too suffer from this a bit with regards to my founders, however, at least I admit it, but I put my political views more inline with philosophy and human nature / history.
I agree largely with your point in this post. Though I really don't want to get into Global Warming, so I have no comment. There are great problems with the media and the politics that interfere with truth scientific success. I don't get any of my information from the conventional American Media (TV, Newspapers, Radio) and I would suggest anyone interested in the truth really put in the effort and look deeper. The only good source of information for Science is from multiple sources of eclectic scientists in my opinion. (Read: Independant scientists coming to the same conclusions and then those conclusions being peer reviewed and holding strong for decades)
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