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Foucault
Sweden2826 Posts
On May 17 2009 19:17 Integra wrote: It´s 7 years old bullshit that's written by a transvestite feminist, enough said. seriously, what? Transvestite feminist... You might wanna try and respect people. Alot of prejudice in that sentence you just wrote | ||
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besiger
Croatia2452 Posts
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
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nttea
Sweden4353 Posts
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qoou
Norway145 Posts
Siege Tank: "Yes Sir." "Orders Sir." (While these last two are not sexual, they give the obvious implication that the game player must be male.) These people will see what they want to see. | ||
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DoX.)
Singapore6164 Posts
On May 17 2009 20:07 qoou wrote: The 'evidence' part at the end is what saddens me the most. Example: Siege Tank: "Yes Sir." "Orders Sir." (While these last two are not sexual, they give the obvious implication that the game player must be male.) These people will see what they want to see. Lol i thought this part was pretty ridiculous too. Hey, lets forget that 99% of wars as we know it are fought traditionally by men and adjust quotes for the sake of 'equality' | ||
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Marti DiBergi
Hong Kong7 Posts
Im mean SERIOUSLY WTF, this is a videogame,about and it takes a lot of fantasy to see a female orgasm in a zerg-build oO | ||
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Foucault
Sweden2826 Posts
On May 17 2009 20:29 Marti DiBergi wrote: hahah I love these kind of people, who just see sexist things everywhere. Im mean SERIOUSLY WTF, this is a videogame Yeah that's because in all seriousness there are sexist things everywhere. It's a videogame, sure. So what? It's made my people, who are socialized in a certain way of thinking and behaving, based on their sex. This will basically show in everything man-made, and thus this article is not so far-fetched as one would think at a first glance. Basically everything that happens in an interaction between people is a result and expression of socially constructed gender roles, that are deeply ingrained in our society. Just because you're born a man you don't have to be ignorant when it comes to women and their "roles" in society. There's still alot of inequality in our society regarding gender. | ||
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DwmC_Foefen
Belgium2186 Posts
and feminists who just plain hate men :s They always toss the words equality and sexist around where it fits them the best. You can't win an discussion with these women (with any women really "OH NOES SEXIST REMARK" they rely too much on their emotions in the heat of the discussion) Anyway, most women rule :D . They're soft, smell nice, pretty looking, compassionate, kind, sweet, I could go on and on  But to those few bitter women/feminists/whatever who are out to spite and are looking to pick a fight I say gtfo | ||
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Foucault
Sweden2826 Posts
On May 17 2009 20:47 DwmC_Foefen wrote: There's a difference between feminists who strive for equality in politics, bussinessworld, ... and feminists who just plain hate men :s They always toss the words equality and sexist around where it fits them the best. You can't win an discussion with these women (with any women really "OH NOES SEXIST REMARK" they rely too much on their emotions in the heat of the discussion) Anyway, most women rule :D . They're soft, smell nice, pretty looking, compassionate, kind, sweet, I could go on and on But to those few bitter women/feminists/whatever who are out to spite and are looking to pick a fight I say gtfo The argument about the "good" feminists and "bad" (who hate men) ones is common. It can be interpreted as a masculine way of stripping the "stronger" women of their power by calling the ones "who hate men" the bad ones, because they are a threat to the male hierarchy. How many men hates women? Certainly theres quite alot of men who despise women for many of the ways of how women behave. Also, the hatred some women feel towards men is quite justifiable when taking into account how many women are abused physically, sexually and mentally each and every day, still in this day and era. Throughout history women have been dominated by men, and frankly have been viewed as second class citizens. I'm not that into feminist theory but I think it's VERY important for both men and women to realize that there are still issues regarding equality, and actually see how we as a society play a huge role in socializing the next generations with these views that are already ingrained in us. Everybody should take a 101 Sociology course for a better understanding of society as a whole, because I often see how these insights are lacking in people. It's something that concerns us all very much. | ||
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Clow
Brazil880 Posts
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On May 17 2009 19:24 Foucault wrote: seriously, what? Transvestite feminist... You might wanna try and respect people. Alot of prejudice in that sentence you just wrote Hot_Bid is that you? | ||
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Foucault
Sweden2826 Posts
oic you think I'm being ironic  I'm not HotBid btw | ||
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no_comprender
Australia91 Posts
in fact you will find that intelligent and well adjusted girls will admit to things like women make worse leaders on average due to emotional instability compared to men, and other little "woman issues" that can get in the way of being a good leader or effective employee, as well as different priorities and a lesser sense of company loyalty than men. of course that's not to say we should judge women on an individual level, but things like 50:50 men/women CEOs is not a realistic outcome. there's huge advantage to being tall in leadership positions too, something like 90% of CEOs are over average height for example, and the USA presidents list supports data like that. i haven't seen much publicity from short people complaining about height inequality cos it'd come across as bitter short man syndrome but we have to respect womens feminism complaints? same thing with good looking people too, it's a huge employment advantage. imo it just so happens that men tend to possess traits that we are instinctually drawn to respect and obey, in addition to tending to be more focussed and driven to succeed i think many feminists are striving male ideals of power and achievement when at a fundamental level women don't necessarily have the same drive for those things that men do. the whole equality movement just comes of as forced to me because i just don't think we're wired that way fundamentally. of course if they keep forcing it down our throats for a few 100 years it'll become reality but don't pretend that equality is the fundamental truth and somehow men are pigheadedly pushing women down | ||
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Tom Phoenix
1114 Posts
On May 17 2009 11:38 stroggos wrote: indeed, i thought he was white until this thread. His face just looks black because its dark in the suit and his nose/mouth looks like that because pictures of sc characters aren't drawn very accurately. Anyway it's pretty sad that people have to call things racist because there isn't an even numbers of the races in the game ect, or that because a black guy is an scv-worker that it's racist. He IS white. -.- | ||
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DwmC_Foefen
Belgium2186 Posts
On May 17 2009 20:58 Foucault wrote: The argument about the "good" feminists and "bad" (who hate men) ones is common. It can be interpreted as a masculine way of stripping the "stronger" women of their power by calling the ones "who hate men" the bad ones, because they are a threat to the male hierarchy. How many men hates women? Certainly theres quite alot of men who despise women for many of the ways of how women behave. Also, the hatred some women feel towards men is quite justifiable when taking into account how many women are abused physically, sexually and mentally each and every day, still in this day and era. Throughout history women have been dominated by men, and frankly have been viewed as second class citizens. I'm not that into feminist theory but I think it's VERY important for both men and women to realize that there are still issues regarding equality, and actually see how we as a society play a huge role in socializing the next generations with these views that are already ingrained in us. Everybody should take a 101 Sociology course for a better understanding of society as a whole, because I often see how these insights are lacking in people. It's something that concerns us all very much. I meant that there is nothing wrong with women who want equality, it's horrible that ie. men earn more money doing the same job in the same company than a woman. That's just plain wrong. I was adressing a) the women who just like to toss around words like sexist, discriminating, ... whenever it fits them. b) the women who say they're feminist just to mask the fact that they just plain hate men. And isn't that just the way nature works? Men dominating women? Not in a bad way ofcourse but just, more decisive and such. I think there's a reason why throughout history most of the leaders were men and still are. Isn't that just genetics(can't find another word for it, genetics isn't the good word)? Even amongst other animals we see the males take the lead, protecting the females, getting food, whatever they do and the females just follow, fullfilling the female roles (as opposed to the male roles). I could be using a stupid argument here because we're in the 21st century where people are much more sophisticated but I think it still applies. But you seem like a well-educated person and I'm surely wrong, just wanted to express my thoughts. And I do want to take sociology 101 tbh, it seems interesting. | ||
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
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keV.
United States3214 Posts
In terms heroes, in both the Warcraft and Starcraft universes, there is definitely depth to each character and their growth in the story. What one could use for a basis on a "Blizzard is sexist" paper another could argue is an intriguing plot device. Units in both games: peons, grunts, marines, medics, etc. Are INTENTIONALLY shallow, and thus flawed. (or in this case, portrayed "sexistly"). Grasping at straws is EXACTLY what the author is doing. I can't believe people believe she has a good point. You are trying to use your brain too hard to comprehend what anyone should be able to see is a terrible piece of literature. | ||
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Leath
Canada1724 Posts
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keV.
United States3214 Posts
If these arguments aren't enough 'evidence' to get you to at least contemplate the possibility that the Zerg are intended to be taken as female, while the Protoss and Terran are to be taken as male, I feel that you should reread the evidence more carefully, and perhaps simply examine if you don't want to believe it. Now, to the crux of the matter. The reason why it is harmful for games like this to draw on such ideologies is that it reinforces negative gender stereotypes, in regard to both men and women. I am mainly concerned with the female aspect, and so that is what I will put my emphasis upon.To solidify into gamers minds the idea of Zerg = female, alongside Zerg = unknowable, evil beast yields a culture who regard female = unknowable, evil beast. This is obviously a problem. Women are human, men are human. In that sense there is no distinction. I would say "women are as worthy (or as human (or as anything)) as men", but this statement itself reinforces the ideology that men are standard, while women simply strive to be like them. this need not be the way that we look at it. Women and Men are equals, and anything, addictively entertaining or not, that reinforces an ideology that says otherwise needs be taken to task. I am not assaulting Blizzard, for I truly believe that they are not even aware of what they did. The problem lies in the fact that this game, in fact nearly all computer games, is a direct product of the American male fantasy. The problem lies not in the game (although it perpetuates the problem), but in the fantasy life that we have set up for the American male youth. Freud refers to women as the "immense heart of darkness", the unknowable, the different, the other. This permeates our society. There is so much glaringly wrong about this conclusion that I don't even know where to begin. | ||
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