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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
nutjob implies that human reasoning are logic are beyond a person, i.e. they're fucking crazy, crazy enough to shoot people. Extremism implies their views are very disagreeable from the mainstream. While I would prefer not to defend white supremacists, I sincerely believe that the chance a white supremacist will go around and shoot people up is about the same as a bunch of radical environmentalists would blow up an "environmentally damaging" factory. In other words, its an outlier. | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
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L
Canada4732 Posts
Oh shi-... | ||
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Yurebis
United States1452 Posts
Neolibs/cons are the true extremists, it just so happens that they're in power, so the opposite group (classical liberals) are the ones going to get arrested. The winners write history. | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
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Yurebis
United States1452 Posts
On June 11 2009 09:58 Mindcrime wrote: Not this garbage again... What, do you feel some sort of kinship with the murderers? Assuming you're talking to me, that's guilt by association. I dislike Obama, therefore I must be a racist. What murderers are we talking of? | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
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Yurebis
United States1452 Posts
I've seen worse reports tbh, have you read the MIAC report? It says people who have watched America Freedom to Fascism are potential anti-government militia members. I've watched it and it's a hell of a movie, that doesn't mean I'll be up in arms shooting people, that's ridiculous. These agencies and Washington D.C. are the true conspiracy nutjobs, they believe people are out to get them. Can you believe that? | ||
Last Romantic
United States20667 Posts
Extremists/whackos/weirdos/nutjobs are in the superminiscule minority. Unfortunately, media attention conflates their status to more than what it truly is. Something of a paper tiger in US society. | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
"white supremacist groups, antigovernment extremists and militia movements.." by associating antigovernment with being white supremacists, its an easy way to control freedom of speech. | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
Anyways, I would agree that this recession/a far left president, has fueled extremist in the right. Not particularly surprising. Theres always an upswing of extremism when the economy goes south, in any nation. | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On June 11 2009 10:20 Caller wrote: the thing is there is a lot of guilt by association here "white supremacist groups, antigovernment extremists and militia movements.." by associating antigovernment with being white supremacists, its an easy way to control freedom of speech. words are important | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
so are broad interpretations what's to define an "antigovernment" extremist, anyways? Anarchists? Libertarians? Conservatives? Moderates? | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
the amount of intellectual dishonesty in this thread is staggering. Militia movements is real broad, brah. That could be cub scouts! | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On June 11 2009 10:47 Caller wrote: so are broad interpretations what's to define an "antigovernment" extremist, anyways? Anarchists? Libertarians? Conservatives? Moderates? I dont know. Maybe antigovernment is people unsatisfied with the government and "extremists and militia movements" are, you know, people who want to act on that dissatisfaction. Pretty sure the little old lady who votes republican or libertarian isnt an extremist | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
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L
Canada4732 Posts
Voting republican has nothing to do with extremism. It has to do with being right wing. Being right wing and killing people because of a political agenda, however, seems to fit nicely under the blanket of right wing extremism, the phenomenon mentioned in the report this thread was about. Killing people is generally distasteful and most people would seem to believe that killing people certifies you as an extremist, not voting for the GOP. No one's saying that voting for the GOP means you're an extremist. Way to create a MASSIVE obfuscation. Intellectual dishonesty? In SPADES. If you want to argue against the paper's predictions, your best bet is to state that the level of extremism hasn't changed and the sole differentiation between now and a few months ago was a series of statistically unimportant outbursts from that latent population of extremism. This argument, however, is severely rebuked by the statements that the perps have given; the situation is nearly exactly as was predicted in the paper. | ||
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Yurebis
United States1452 Posts
On June 11 2009 11:10 L wrote: Hey guys. Voting republican has nothing to do with extremism. It has to do with being right wing. Being right wing and killing people because of a political agenda, however, seems to fit nicely under the blanket of right wing extremism, the phenomenon mentioned in the report this thread was about. Killing people is generally distasteful and most people would seem to believe that killing people certifies you as an extremist, not voting for the GOP. No one's saying that voting for the GOP means you're an extremist. Way to create a MASSIVE obfuscation. Intellectual dishonesty? In SPADES. If you want to argue against the paper's predictions, your best bet is to state that the level of extremism hasn't changed and the sole differentiation between now and a few months ago was a series of statistically unimportant outbursts from that latent population of extremism. This argument, however, is severely rebuked by the statements that the perps have given; the situation is nearly exactly as was predicted in the paper. Incrementalism. Today, you got Glenn Beck and a few reports here and there from governmental agencies. Tomorrow, there will be talks of banning their speech. That's why you got to be mad at stuff like these. The MIAC report is old news but heres a little something about it: http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin500.htm Also militia movements aren't illegal. Guns aren't illegal. Believing in anything isn't illegal. Why portrait these people as dangerous? Simple, the government is scared of (peaceful) people who are against their increasing power. | ||
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