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On April 03 2009 15:36 Flyingdutchman wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2009 15:05 tttt wrote:
Hopefully they get that legislature through, so if there are issues in the future, students can take matters into their own hands. Although this is a very serious subject, I laughed out loud after reading the above. Seriously, who can think this would make things better? Even for the fact that taking things in one own hands will probably always be afterwards but w/e. Haven't heard anything about it in Holland though, surprising since school shootings are generally taken up by the media pretty quick nowadays Show nested quote +On April 03 2009 15:26 tttt wrote:
How many times has your poorly phrased scenario been played out in American Universities?
If you want to live in a society without gun rights, feel free to fuck off to Europe. Countries in Europe do have laws that permit you to having guns, it is just a little harder to get one. My country requires mandatory membership to a gunclub for a year before you can get a license and even then you still have to pass a background check etc. The kid who shot loads of people in Germany few weeks back had acces to a lot of firepower due to his dad being a gun nut... To each his own, I actually love guns but I wouldn't want to live in a society where just about everybody has acces to them.
The differences in the demographic criminal profile of a country like yours (which, for your information I had the pleasure of spending 2 months in) and the United States, are vast.
For better or for worse, the US isn't Europe. I have twice found it necessary to use a firearm to protect my property and my person.
I'm not quite sure how you equate "everybody having acces[sic]" to the current policies that are enacted in the laws of even the most lenient of US states.
The difference is that our constitution affords non-felons the right to avoid harassment and unreasonable Federal jurisdiction over their fundamental right to protect themselves, their family and their property.
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was it just a one vs one killing? Or like failed killing spree? People seem to be confused
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On April 03 2009 17:38 tttt wrote:
The differences in the demographic criminal profile of a country like yours (which, for your information I had the pleasure of spending 2 months in) and the United States, are vast.
For better or for worse, the US isn't Europe. I have twice found it necessary to use a firearm to protect my property and my person.
I'm not quite sure how you equate "everybody having acces[sic]" to the current policies that are enacted in the laws of even the most lenient of US states.
The difference is that our constitution affords non-felons the right to avoid harassment and unreasonable Federal jurisdiction over their fundamental right to protect themselves, their family and their property.
"Everybody having acces" may be a bit over the top, sorry for that...
As I said, to each his own, and I also acknowledge that even guns laws can't prevent guns falling into the wrong hands. I'm guessing the majority of gun owners in NL don't have a permit. It's just kind of a scary thought to me, but I of course don't know how life in the U.S. is. I was born and raised in South Africa, if the situation in your country would have been as bad as it is there then I could understand the need to carry a firearm...I went to New York last year, walking around (Manhattan) at 4 am in the morning feeling perfectly safe. I wouldn't even dream of doing that in ANY part of Johannesburg for example.
And glad to hear your stay here was pleasureable
edit: typo's etc
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On April 03 2009 12:41 ghermination wrote:
Thats pretty crazy, why are there so many school shootings in america?
There aren't. First, this one was simply one person shooting another, not a massacre - which will happen sometimes in an area with many people, regardless of it being a school or not. Second, the ones who go into the school and shoot at numerous people is extremely rare. It's more than other countries perhaps, but it's definitely not common.
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On April 03 2009 15:05 tttt wrote:
Not sure about the laws in VA., but here in South Carolina and in Texas the houses are working on having state schools respect concealed carry permits on campus.
Hopefully they get that legislature through, so if there are issues in the future, students can take matters into their own hands.
ugh im not sure i'd feel comfortable on campus with this.
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On April 03 2009 15:05 tttt wrote:
Not sure about the laws in VA., but here in South Carolina and in Texas the houses are working on having state schools respect concealed carry permits on campus.
Hopefully they get that legislature through, so if there are issues in the future, students can take matters into their own hands.
Let's hope that does not pass, for the sake of all humanity..
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On April 03 2009 12:52 BlackJack wrote:
glad to see they are taking crap seriously since VTech. some guy gets shot a couple blocks away from campus and the whole school goes on lockdown
Yeah, really. It's incredible how poorly handled that situation was.
Somewhat related: What's your school's policy on bomb threats? Because in the past year, mine's remained open when there was a credible enough threat to have nearly 100 fucking cops and goddamn snipers on the bell towers.
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You get a Bomb treath and then snipers go on rooftops?
What shall they do? Shoot the Bomb?
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Who the hell knows. They said school was not optional that day, regardless of the circumstances. A whole lot of professors didn't even show up either.
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On April 03 2009 22:04 Hans-Titan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2009 15:05 tttt wrote:
Not sure about the laws in VA., but here in South Carolina and in Texas the houses are working on having state schools respect concealed carry permits on campus.
Hopefully they get that legislature through, so if there are issues in the future, students can take matters into their own hands. Let's hope that does not pass, for the sake of all humanity..
Texans blowing each others away? Sounds like evolution in effect to me.
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Yea here in Texas they are contemplating whether or not teachers would be able to carry a firearm onto campus. But that brings up more concerns whether or not a student would get ahold of it....
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Man.... I have quite a few friends at Radford too. What shitty news.
The victim is in my prayers
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On April 04 2009 02:09 Kennelie wrote:
Yea here in Texas they are contemplating whether or not teachers would be able to carry a firearm onto campus. But that brings up more concerns whether or not a student would get ahold of it....
They could give teachers who asked for it security training and then have their pay raised for carrying a gun to school, would be much cheaper than hiring real security guys.
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On April 03 2009 14:36 Falcynn wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2009 13:24 Jonoman92 wrote:
God I know this is really random but if you shoot a bullet straight up in the air from an average pistol how long will it take to come back to the ground? Granted it will have traveled due to wind and stuff. I got curious after reading this and looked it up. I didn't find any definitive proof/experiments, but accounts from random people's experiences says that it takes roughly 7-10 seconds. Also in case anyone is wondering, it's unlikely a falling bullet will have enough force to kill you, but it's still possible.
I remember that mythbusters episode, i think it was around 10 seconds. Now what they did find out is if the gun is shot straight up, bullet eventually drops like a stone and wont have enough energy to kill. But if the gun is shot at a slight angle, bullet will keep its trajectory and will have the force to kill. Given that its almost impossible to shoot a gun straight up with no equipment... i would find some cover.
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On April 03 2009 15:26 tttt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2009 15:14 Bosu wrote:On April 03 2009 15:05 tttt wrote:
Not sure about the laws in VA., but here in South Carolina and in Texas the houses are working on having state schools respect concealed carry permits on campus.
Hopefully they get that legislature through, so if there are issues in the future, students can take matters into their own hands. Yea, so in the future when a dude with a temper finds out the guy 2 doors down in his dorm fucked his GF he has access to a gun close by. How many times has your poorly phrased scenario been played out in American Universities? If you want to live in a society without gun rights, feel free to fuck off to Europe.
It feels so safe here in finland ^_^
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On April 03 2009 15:26 tttt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2009 15:14 Bosu wrote:On April 03 2009 15:05 tttt wrote:
Not sure about the laws in VA., but here in South Carolina and in Texas the houses are working on having state schools respect concealed carry permits on campus.
Hopefully they get that legislature through, so if there are issues in the future, students can take matters into their own hands. Yea, so in the future when a dude with a temper finds out the guy 2 doors down in his dorm fucked his GF he has access to a gun close by. How many times has your poorly phrased scenario been played out in American Universities? If you want to live in a society without gun rights, feel free to fuck off to Europe.
So you think all European countries are the same? American education makes me speechless sometimes.
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On April 04 2009 01:50 onnings wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2009 22:04 Hans-Titan wrote:On April 03 2009 15:05 tttt wrote:
Not sure about the laws in VA., but here in South Carolina and in Texas the houses are working on having state schools respect concealed carry permits on campus.
Hopefully they get that legislature through, so if there are issues in the future, students can take matters into their own hands. Let's hope that does not pass, for the sake of all humanity.. Texans blowing each others away? Sounds like evolution in effect to me.
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Nigger ass shit don't fuck with texas
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On April 04 2009 05:04 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2009 15:26 tttt wrote:On April 03 2009 15:14 Bosu wrote:On April 03 2009 15:05 tttt wrote:
Not sure about the laws in VA., but here in South Carolina and in Texas the houses are working on having state schools respect concealed carry permits on campus.
Hopefully they get that legislature through, so if there are issues in the future, students can take matters into their own hands. Yea, so in the future when a dude with a temper finds out the guy 2 doors down in his dorm fucked his GF he has access to a gun close by. How many times has your poorly phrased scenario been played out in American Universities? If you want to live in a society without gun rights, feel free to fuck off to Europe. It feels so safe here in finland ^_^
Same in Denmark. How one can argue for guns in school goes beyond me: wouldn't it just be mildly fucked up to be in class, knowing that everyone around you is armed with a gun? Considering how some people can rage over nothing, I doubt very much that gun-related deaths at school would decrease from this. Take your gun to the shooting range, don't bring it to class.
I do realize the problem with the gun laws of the US and why you cannot just illegalize (is that even a word, lol) gun ownership. All the bad guys already have guns, meaning that banning them would just leave general public without them. I completely gun-free society, except for police and military, a la scandinavia would be greatly preferred to the nutty laws overseas. Perhaps I'm just too european to understand what liberty is all about...
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ahhh, classic TL.net, always turns any topic into a political debate
*on topic* stay safe OP, school shootings? that's always been a nightmare of mine. it's scary that fellow peers can be pushed to the point of senseless shootings on random individuals.
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On April 04 2009 08:03 Hans-Titan wrote:
Same in Denmark. How one can argue for guns in school goes beyond me: wouldn't it just be mildly fucked up to be in class, knowing that everyone around you is armed with a gun? Considering how some people can rage over nothing, I doubt very much that gun-related deaths at school would decrease from this. Take your gun to the shooting range, don't bring it to class.
I do realize the problem with the gun laws of the US and why you cannot just illegalize (is that even a word, lol) gun ownership. All the bad guys already have guns, meaning that banning them would just leave general public without them. I completely gun-free society, except for police and military, a la scandinavia would be greatly preferred to the nutty laws overseas. Perhaps I'm just too european to understand what liberty is all about...
There was something similar when we were under british rule. We couldn't defend ourselves, they could house their military in our houses, they could confiscate our food, tax us whatever they wanted, etc. etc.
We are allowed the use of firearms because our creation was based on the distrust of government, and having firearms to over throw a government through force is required. Look at China, where protests end up with you dead and no way to defend yourself.
Crazy people will always have weapons, do you want one one you're face to face with him? It's the same idea with nuclear mutual destruction.
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