So, I have this cherry hemangioma (as verified by a doctor) that just appeared out of nowhere on my chest. And it is huge.
It hasn't gone down in a few weeks, and just bleeds if I mess with it too much.
I've decided to forfeit waiting six months for a dermatologist appointment to remove it and just self remove it.
I know self surgery is dangerous, but I figure I can remove a silly hemangioma.
So here is my plan:
1. Soak knife in soap then boil for a few minutes 2. Hold ice to hemangioma for a few minutes to numb it. 3. Scrub are with alcohol and thoroughly wash hands 4. Raise and cut, apply gauze and pressure to stop bleeding. 5. Apply neosporin. 6. Sterile bandage.
Should fix it, right?
Only bad thing is that a hemangioma is a collection of capillaries, so bleeding is going to be an issue. Figure salt or pepper could be a backup coagulant if I can't get it to stop.
So anyone have any suggestions (besides go to the doctor)? Anyone else cut a mole/hemangioma like this with success?
UPDATE:
SOOOOOOOOOOO
First of all, I've had experience with both animal and cadaver small scale surgery and wound closure and I'm going into med school.
But some of you are right, I'm not yet a doctor so this was probably a bad idea.
SO here is the fail story:
1. I tie off the hemangioma because I think it's a good idea 2. I accidentally tie it too tight, causing it to start to bleed. 3. I try to stop the blood everywhere and end up ripping off part of the part I sinched off with dental floss. 4. I run upstairs, stripping off my clothes to avoid getting blood everywhere. 5. My roommate looks at me and goes "WHAT THE FUCK?!" 6. I grab tequila (40%) quickly and scrub the wound with sterile gauze and tequila. 7. I grab my boiled scissors and cut off the excess that's hanging. 8. Roommate walks in, sees blood everywhere and goes "WHAT THE HELL IS HAPPENING?" 9. I close the door on him. 10. Scrub more tequila on it. 11. Use a dishrag to start soaking up blood. 12. Blood everywhere. 13. Kick open door, run downstairs, grab sterile gauze pads and run upstairs. 14. Roommate asks if I need help, has IPA in hand. I take the IPA. 15. Girlfriend calls. Hang up because I can't talk. 16. Rescrub wound with LOTS of IPA, pour it on it. 17. Use one sterile gauze pad to soak blood off wound. 18. Use next three gauze pads to apply pressure on wound. 19. Bandage gauze pads to chest. 20. Laugh, walk downstairs, read how stupid I am on TL.net, and then make this post.
It isn't bleeding anymore...or at least I think.
Build character, right?
UPDATE #2:
So, I have an update for you guys...the rest of the story.
If you want a one line summary:
DON'T EVER DO THIS!
SO!
THAT NIGHT:
I thought I stopped the bleeding. And then my girlfriend calls and wants to come over.
So I'm like OK, all is clear, gauze is on there, I'm fine.
We go to eat some dinner, and we come back and I want to check on the status of my self-fail-surgery. I lift up the gauze and it started gushing blood. So, my girlfriend looked at me and she was like "OH MY GOD!" And my response was similar to the one this guy gave...
So I try to put pressure on it and keep it clean. I use more alcohol, and she starts freaking out, I told her to give me thirty minutes.
So two hours later I still hadn't gotten it to stop, and I was also filling a bit lightheaded because my blood volume had gone down just a hair, so I chugged some water to start helping it get back up. Pressure was stopping the bleeding, but it wouldn't clot.
Nurse says the wait time is six and a half hours. Hell, I think, by then the Walmart will be open and I can go buy some styptic.
So I consider self-cauterization. Then decide against it, as burn wounds have a pretty high chance of infection without clinical-grade sterilization.
So I buy some saline wash, scrub the wound with alcohol, rinse it with pressurized saline wash, and then gauze it for the night. Girlfriend isn't too happy.
NEXT MORNING
I lift the gauze. No bleeding, except that the clot is now integrated with the gauze. So I try to rinse it off with saline and...pop, there goes the clot, and now it's like this:
So I gauze it and rush my ass to an immediate care center (which is like an emergency room for cases that aren't TOO much of an emergency).
I tell the doctor I was a dumbass and messed with a hemangioma. I show her the gauze pad and tell her that it is going to bleed if I remove it.
"Go ahead, remove it." "No, it will bleed a lot." "It's fine." "You need gloves." "Just take it off." (I take it off) "SHit I need gloves." (Hands me gauze) "Apply pressure. Uh, kelly, do we have a cauterizing device in the trauma unit? No? Do we have any silver nitrate?"
She goes and looks for ten minutes for the stuff while I'm laying down, cursing my luck. She finally finds some, scrubs my wound, puts on silver nitrate, a non-stick bandage, some gauze and tells me to leave it alone for 24 hours. She also says that I need to get it lasered sometime, because it might bleed again. She also gives me a tetanus shot for the hell of it.
Called dermatologists earlier today, all of them have wait times in the excess of two-three months.
So I got some styptic and antibacterial spray and I'm going to have to make do until my appointment. I haven't removed the bandage yet but I hope it won't bleed anymore!
SOOOOO
Lesson has been learned. Just because you think you might know how to do something doesn't necessarily mean you know how, or even if you do (I sort of, as in slightly knew what to do) you probably don't have the tools to do it.
Fun day.
UPDATE #3:
Hahah, glad I'm getting some interesting feedback on my heroic/stupid actions.
I figure that when I do finally become a full-fledged MD, I can tell this story to patients who are contemplating doing something like this themselves.
It really would have been nice to know that deodorant had anticoagulants in it, I didn't know it had AlCl.
Another update on the wound...
Took off the bandage yesterday, and my skin is irritated a fuckton from so many bandages. The lady must have applied ten of them, 3 inches thick and 10 inches long, in a crosstitch pattern of a rhinoceros. I've had to use alcohol to dissolve the glue because it's so thick on my skin and it won't come off, and some glue near the hemangioma won't come off until I think it's safe to scrub it.
So the end result to the hemangioma, at the present time, is that it is now the size of your average mole, if not a bit smaller, and is now flush with the surface of my skin. Must have gone deeper than I thought, but at least it isn't as big (probably now 1/6 of its former godzillaesque size).
So for -2 units of blood -$10 medical supplies -$20 copay -1 gallon of gas -1 pissed off girlfriend -10 scoops of poor judgement
You can get a reduced-sized hemangioma!
I guess it beats the price of a surgery for complete removal, because they usually consider it a "cosmetic" surgery. I'm going to tell them this story and convince them that it is life-threatening so it gets removed using my insurance. Dude, I almost bled out on this thing...
I would post pictures but I do not have a digital camera, ever since I broke it while at a party (beer spray owns digital cameras).
UPDATE FINAL (?):
Man, I feel like a total bitch.
I have an appointment set up for tomorrow to get this thing lasered off (it keeps bleeding if I rub it too much).
So after this epic journey, I end up exactly where I should have - in the office of a doctor who is qualified and has the right tools to do the job. Irony...
On the positive side...at least I'm settling things with this hemangioma. He's going to eat laser and burn to death.
UPDATE (POST-DOCTOR):
So I went to the dermatologist today, who is probably the nicest person I have ever met.
The lesion hadn't been bleeding for a bit, but when I took off the bandage in front of the doctor it started shooting like old faithful.
Apparently it's a pyogenic granuloma, a lesion that can have excessive recurring bleeding and is quite nasty looking. Check out some pictures online if you want an idea of what it looks like.
She numbed it, excised it for biopsy, and cauterized pretty deep to prevent recurrence, although I've read that this fucker has a 15% chance of coming back.
Well, I'll be ready this time. With my home-bought cauterizing device!
Are you talking about removing a substantial amount of skin, or what? Are you sure your planned methods of avoiding infection are good enough? And do you know what you're doing, at all? You haven't mentioned that you've done any research. Finally why are you so anxious to get rid of this thing as quickly as possible?
You're going to cut off this thing first with just a knife, using only ice as a painkiller, hoping you don't fuck up and in case you do, you're going to put salt or pepper on it? This will end well.
That's going to hurt like a bitch, and sounds like a terrible idea... But to be honest, I doubt the procedure would be horribly different if got it cut off by a doctor... And not cost you some obscene amount.
"A hemangioma is a non-cancerous (benign) growth of blood vessels. They are the most common benign blood vessel (vascular) growths in infants and children. Most resolve with time and occasionally with medication. Large or disfiguring hemangiomas may require surgical excision." Don`t try it, but corticosteroid therapy may help in your case, if you are impacient.
i don't have any medical experience, but this is a terrible idea. you could easily get an infection afterward, and before if you aren't careful. and i don't think ice will numb that enough. if it's really that bad, then go for it. but i really don't think it's a good idea
There is a reason why there exists a specific profession that undergoes stringent training and qualification over many years to qualify to deal with these kind of problems.
Hemangioma can be connected and embedded in various tissue deeper under your skin.
The possible outcomes for your case are among infection, injury, permanent scarring, and a number of other scary implications. Medical professionals exist BECAUSE they're extremely trained in this. Your complications can arise after surgery.
Hope you're joking. You should never perform surgery on yourself, it's a painful way of scarring yourself for life and could very possibly end in infection and death.
Cut your head while you are at it. Seriously it is a very stupid idea... Just trying to get attention on TL... "I'm such a badass that i don't even need a surgeon yO~"
You will bleed a lot and it will be painful. I don't even talk about infections... Hf enjoy your scar.
Damn i wish i had the balls to do something like that. I dont. And honestly with the amount of infections/complications you can get just wait. I mean theres a lot of shit that you can do wrong and worst case scenario you dont fix it and get an infection. *If i had to do something with no help id just cauterize it by parts with a small sticks embers. It hurts less, its easier, less scars, and you dont need to worry about the bleeding. And the chances of infections are less too.
First of all, I've had experience with both animal and cadaver small scale surgery and wound closure and I'm going into med school.
But some of you are right, I'm not yet a doctor so this was probably a bad idea.
SO here is the fail story:
1. I tie off the hemangioma because I think it's a good idea 2. I accidentally tie it too tight, causing it to start to bleed. 3. I try to stop the blood everywhere and end up ripping off part of the part I sinched off with dental floss. 4. I run upstairs, stripping off my clothes to avoid getting blood everywhere. 5. My roommate looks at me and goes "WHAT THE FUCK?!" 6. I grab tequila (40%) quickly and scrub the wound with sterile gauze and tequila. 7. I grab my boiled scissors and cut off the excess that's hanging. 8. Roommate walks in, sees blood everywhere and goes "WHAT THE HELL IS HAPPENING?" 9. I close the door on him. 10. Scrub more tequila on it. 11. Use a dishrag to start soaking up blood. 12. Blood everywhere. 13. Kick open door, run downstairs, grab sterile gauze pads and run upstairs. 14. Roommate asks if I need help, has IPA in hand. I take the IPA. 15. Girlfriend calls. Hang up because I can't talk. 16. Rescrub wound with LOTS of IPA, pour it on it. 17. Use one sterile gauze pad to soak blood off wound. 18. Use next three gauze pads to apply pressure on wound. 19. Bandage gauze pads to chest. 20. Laugh, walk downstairs, read how stupid I am on TL.net, and then make this post.
1. I tie off the hemangioma because I think it's a good idea 2. I accidentally tie it too tight, causing it to start to bleed. 3. I try to stop the blood everywhere and end up ripping off part of the part I sinched off with dental floss. 4. I run upstairs, stripping off my clothes to avoid getting blood everywhere. 5. My roommate looks at me and goes "WHAT THE FUCK?!" 6. I grab tequila (40%) quickly and scrub the wound with sterile gauze and tequila. 7. I grab my boiled scissors and cut off the excess that's hanging. 8. Roommate walks in, sees blood everywhere and goes "WHAT THE HELL IS HAPPENING?" 9. I close the door on him. 10. Scrub more tequila on it. 11. Use a dishrag to start soaking up blood. 12. Blood everywhere. 13. Kick open door, run downstairs, grab sterile gauze pads and run upstairs. 14. Roommate asks if I need help, has IPA in hand. I take the IPA. 15. Girlfriend calls. Hang up because I can't talk. 16. Rescrub wound with LOTS of IPA, pour it on it. 17. Use one sterile gauze pad to soak blood off wound. 18. Use next three gauze pads to apply pressure on wound. 19. Bandage gauze pads to chest. 20. Laugh, walk downstairs, read how stupid I am on TL.net, and then make this post.
How come this so sounds like a circumcision? At least that's how I almost read it....
On March 06 2009 09:04 TheOvermind77 wrote: First of all, I've had experience with both animal and cadaver small scale surgery and wound closure and I'm going into med school.
I think you'll be a good doctor. First hand experience is invaluable.
doctors clearly lack balls nowadays, and this dude definitely has them
On March 06 2009 09:04 TheOvermind77 wrote: First of all, I've had experience with both animal and cadaver small scale surgery and wound closure and I'm going into med school.
... this guy wants to be a doctor?
The ethanol % in tequila isn't even strong enough to be an effective antiseptic. You should've went for the IPA immediately.
I like how he didn't even bother to prepare by having gauze, towel or rubbing alcohol on hand. He's just like "Oh this sounds like it'll work. I'm gonna be a doctor!!!"
anyway just let the professionals do it. first of all even your sterilization technique sucks. im not a doctor but i am a dentistry student. so i have heard that hemangioma somewhere in pathology but cant remember. you dont even know how far that extends. just let them do it ^_____^
On March 06 2009 10:24 oneill wrote: anyway just let the professionals do it. first of all even your sterilization technique sucks. im not a doctor but i am a dentistry student. so i have heard that hemangioma somewhere in pathology but cant remember. you dont even know how far that extends. just let them do it ^_____^
On March 06 2009 09:04 TheOvermind77 wrote: So, I have this cherry hemangioma (as verified by a doctor) that just appeared out of nowhere on my chest. And it is huge.
It hasn't gone down in a few weeks, and just bleeds if I mess with it too much.
I've decided to forfeit waiting six months for a dermatologist appointment to remove it and just self remove it.
I know self surgery is dangerous, but I figure I can remove a silly hemangioma.
So here is my plan:
1. Soak knife in soap then boil for a few minutes 2. Hold ice to hemangioma for a few minutes to numb it. 3. Scrub are with alcohol and thoroughly wash hands 4. Raise and cut, apply gauze and pressure to stop bleeding. 5. Apply neosporin. 6. Sterile bandage.
Should fix it, right?
Only bad thing is that a hemangioma is a collection of capillaries, so bleeding is going to be an issue. Figure salt or pepper could be a backup coagulant if I can't get it to stop.
So anyone have any suggestions (besides go to the doctor)? Anyone else cut a mole/hemangioma like this with success?
UPDATE:
SOOOOOOOOOOO
First of all, I've had experience with both animal and cadaver small scale surgery and wound closure and I'm going into med school.
But some of you are right, I'm not yet a doctor so this was probably a bad idea.
SO here is the fail story:
1. I tie off the hemangioma because I think it's a good idea 2. I accidentally tie it too tight, causing it to start to bleed. 3. I try to stop the blood everywhere and end up ripping off part of the part I sinched off with dental floss. 4. I run upstairs, stripping off my clothes to avoid getting blood everywhere. 5. My roommate looks at me and goes "WHAT THE FUCK?!" 6. I grab tequila (40%) quickly and scrub the wound with sterile gauze and tequila. 7. I grab my boiled scissors and cut off the excess that's hanging. 8. Roommate walks in, sees blood everywhere and goes "WHAT THE HELL IS HAPPENING?" 9. I close the door on him. 10. Scrub more tequila on it. 11. Use a dishrag to start soaking up blood. 12. Blood everywhere. 13. Kick open door, run downstairs, grab sterile gauze pads and run upstairs. 14. Roommate asks if I need help, has IPA in hand. I take the IPA. 15. Girlfriend calls. Hang up because I can't talk. 16. Rescrub wound with LOTS of IPA, pour it on it. 17. Use one sterile gauze pad to soak blood off wound. 18. Use next three gauze pads to apply pressure on wound. 19. Bandage gauze pads to chest. 20. Laugh, walk downstairs, read how stupid I am on TL.net, and then make this post.
On March 06 2009 10:20 7mk wrote: would be funny if for some strange reason theovermind77 would never post on tl again..... ^^
LOL!!!!! yeah.......it will be liek, hey..........wheres the doctor dude?................dunno, he was going to slice his something yesterday, didnt tell me tough.
I had a big skin moley mole thing under my arm pit and it was always pissing me off for like 6 months. Everyone made fun of me saying it looked like a third nipple so i cut it off in front of them them with a KBar. Seriously most painful and "AAAAUUEUEEEEUEEE" moment ever when you saw your own flesh. No scar though so i consider it a hero moment.
On March 06 2009 10:28 Kennigit wrote: I had a big skin moley mole thing under my arm pit and it was always pissing me off for like 6 months. Everyone made fun of me saying it looked like a third nipple so i cut it off in front of them them with a KBar. Seriously most painful and "AAAAUUEUEEEEUEEE" moment ever when you saw your own flesh. No scar though so i consider it a hero moment.
Well i guess if he doesn't mind scarring and considers himself as "basically a doctor" then he should go ahead with it, he did know what to do (mostly) but i am still surprised at his will to operate on himself, maybe he fears American medical bills? this isn't as bad as that one guy considering becoming an eunuch!
So I've got a frostbite on one of my fingertips that is really affecting my play, or well I cant play at all actually since I cant feel anything. Could you drop by and amputate it for me?
and pics or it didn't happen. Pretty good though. I hope that you're alright, and that you removed all of it. Imo, you really should have waited for the appointment so that you didn't end up almost bleeding to death.
That all sounded pretty fucked up and ridiculous. Shoulda just burnt it off ez. Put spoon on stove, play street fighter for 10 minutes, grab spoon and press down on thingy. No mess~
On March 06 2009 10:28 Kennigit wrote: I had a big skin moley mole thing under my arm pit and it was always pissing me off for like 6 months. Everyone made fun of me saying it looked like a third nipple so i cut it off in front of them them with a KBar. Seriously most painful and "AAAAUUEUEEEEUEEE" moment ever when you saw your own flesh. No scar though so i consider it a hero moment.
On March 06 2009 14:04 Etherone wrote: XDXDXD lmao, you were going to use SALT to help stop the bleeding XDXD wtf please tell me that was sarcasm
epic win though tequila solves everything
I just googled it to make sure it was correct, and apparently it is...
1. Salt and water- Take a small cup mix up some warm water and salt together. Place this onto a rag making sure it's pretty saturated. Then keep blotting the cut with this solution. The bleeding will stop after 2 minutes or so. It will not burn you at all.
hey if you attempt it again, make a video pleaseee. im fascinated with self surgery as ive done shit like this before. it left a small scar but i got it out. i had 2.
1) See your Doctor. Its what they are for. Its what all that medical school and years in the hospital are for. Its like me trying to fix my computer when I don't have any idea what I am doing. Sure you can google it, and a few times out of 10 it may work, but this is your life we are talking about, you don't want to make mistakes.
2) Forget about making a mess of it and getting an ugly scar. Your chest is close to a few vital structures, mainly your heart and lungs. Infections can spread quickly in those areas. The antiseptic techniques you were using are not sufficient. Most people that have a procedure like that are also placed on prophylactic antibiotics. You may feel clean when you are doing the procedure, but you will eventually shower, change your clothes, etc, that is when you can get infected.
3) You should have also considered, if you cut something important, and lose a lot of blood, you don't have access to fluids via IV. You are cutting in an ackward position looking down onto your chest. You may not be able to visualise everything you need to see. And finally, what if you got half way cutting and it hurt so much that you cannot continue?
Please please please, let a a doctor do these things.
On March 06 2009 14:04 Etherone wrote: XDXDXD lmao, you were going to use SALT to help stop the bleeding XDXD wtf please tell me that was sarcasm
epic win though tequila solves everything
I just googled it to make sure it was correct, and apparently it is...
1. Salt and water- Take a small cup mix up some warm water and salt together. Place this onto a rag making sure it's pretty saturated. Then keep blotting the cut with this solution. The bleeding will stop after 2 minutes or so. It will not burn you at all.
Except that salt is so fucking painful that it is also used to torture people. /facepalm.
On March 07 2009 05:35 DreaM)XeRO wrote: ah... oh dear me that must've been painfull but..for a pre-med student did you honestly think that it would work?
it did work... whether it's the smartest decision is another question
though i'm with the pics or it didnt happen sentiment; this sounds too hilarious to be true
So, I have an update for you guys...the rest of the story.
If you want a one line summary:
DON'T EVER DO THIS!
SO!
THAT NIGHT:
I thought I stopped the bleeding. And then my girlfriend calls and wants to come over.
So I'm like OK, all is clear, gauze is on there, I'm fine.
We go to eat some dinner, and we come back and I want to check on the status of my self-fail-surgery. I lift up the gauze and it started gushing blood. So, my girlfriend looked at me and she was like "OH MY GOD!" And my response was similar to the one this guy gave...
So I try to put pressure on it and keep it clean. I use more alcohol, and she starts freaking out, I told her to give me thirty minutes.
So two hours later I still hadn't gotten it to stop, and I was also filling a bit lightheaded because my blood volume had gone down just a hair, so I chugged some water to start helping it get back up. Pressure was stopping the bleeding, but it wouldn't clot.
Nurse says the wait time is six and a half hours. Hell, I think, by then the Walmart will be open and I can go buy some styptic.
So I consider self-cauterization. Then decide against it, as burn wounds have a pretty high chance of infection without clinical-grade sterilization.
So I buy some saline wash, scrub the wound with alcohol, rinse it with pressurized saline wash, and then gauze it for the night. Girlfriend isn't too happy.
NEXT MORNING
I lift the gauze. No bleeding, except that the clot is now integrated with the gauze. So I try to rinse it off with saline and...pop, there goes the clot, and now it's like this:
So I gauze it and rush my ass to an immediate care center (which is like an emergency room for cases that aren't TOO much of an emergency).
I tell the doctor I was a dumbass and messed with a hemangioma. I show her the gauze pad and tell her that it is going to bleed if I remove it.
"Go ahead, remove it." "No, it will bleed a lot." "It's fine." "You need gloves." "Just take it off." (I take it off) "SHit I need gloves." (Hands me gauze) "Apply pressure. Uh, kelly, do we have a cauterizing device in the trauma unit? No? Do we have any silver nitrate?"
She goes and looks for ten minutes for the stuff while I'm laying down, cursing my luck. She finally finds some, scrubs my wound, puts on silver nitrate, a non-stick bandage, some gauze and tells me to leave it alone for 24 hours. She also says that I need to get it lasered sometime, because it might bleed again. She also gives me a tetanus shot for the hell of it.
Called dermatologists earlier today, all of them have wait times in the excess of two-three months.
So I got some styptic and antibacterial spray and I'm going to have to make do until my appointment. I haven't removed the bandage yet but I hope it won't bleed anymore!
SOOOOO
Lesson has been learned. Just because you think you might know how to do something doesn't necessarily mean you know how, or even if you do (I sort of, as in slightly knew what to do) you probably don't have the tools to do it.
Great story. I'd love it if you bumped the thread with the conclusion in 2-3 months. Hope there's no scarring and your girlfriend doesn't lose faith in your medical skills.
The tequila was a placeholder until I grabbed some IPA, I'm sure it was better than nothing. Plus, lots of household hand sanitizers have ethanol at like 50%, so I'm sure 10% less would do something, although it is no substitute for rubbing alcohol.
Hahaha awesome story, guess i'm just a pussy, i'd never do that. I did let my roommate pierce my ears once with a needle and some perfume, with some beers and ice to help out (I had a guido theme party), which is probably as far as i'll go.
I'm glad you posted the whole story so honestly. This thread should be reference in the future whenever we get some idiot asking "whether he should see a doctor".
- thanks a lot man, that was hilarous, laughed much, plus I had a similar personal experience except that it was worse and I actually knew what was I was doing. I still laugh about it today.
btw advice for everyone - a lot of sudden hemagiomas dissapear on their own (in fact most do) - the phukcers ALWAYS bleed a LOT if u mess with them - some are deep, i.e. they can go down half an inch or more into ur skin (specially the big purple ones - think of an iceberg, ur only looking at the tip sometimes lol) - never mess with facial hemangiomas - some are may not hemangiomas, but melanomas that look like hemangiomas, in which case self treatment ends up being = suicide due to late treatment - house hold shit u can use to stop minor skin bleeding = deodorant - most of them contain alluminium salts (esp alluminium chloride) that are kick ass hemostatic agents - of course sustained pressure is also needed, use non stick dressing afterwards
haha epic story, I dont even care if its made up or not
ha btw I was like "what u have to wait like 6 months for a frigging appointment???! which completely fu**ed up country does he live in.. ??" *scroll scroll* ... oh, United States... hm
Hahah, glad I'm getting some interesting feedback on my heroic/stupid actions.
I figure that when I do finally become a full-fledged MD, I can tell this story to patients who are contemplating doing something like this themselves.
It really would have been nice to know that deodorant had anticoagulants in it, I didn't know it had AlCl.
Another update on the wound...
Took off the bandage yesterday, and my skin is irritated a fuckton from so many bandages. The lady must have applied ten of them, 3 inches thick and 10 inches long, in a crosstitch pattern of a rhinoceros. I've had to use alcohol to dissolve the glue because it's so thick on my skin and it won't come off, and some glue near the hemangioma won't come off until I think it's safe to scrub it.
So the end result to the hemangioma, at the present time, is that it is now the size of your average mole, if not a bit smaller, and is now flush with the surface of my skin. Must have gone deeper than I thought, but at least it isn't as big (probably now 1/6 of its former godzillaesque size).
So for -2 units of blood -$10 medical supplies -$20 copay -1 gallon of gas -1 pissed off girlfriend -10 scoops of poor judgement
You can get a reduced-sized hemangioma!
I guess it beats the price of a surgery for complete removal, because they usually consider it a "cosmetic" surgery. I'm going to tell them this story and convince them that it is life-threatening so it gets removed using my insurance. Dude, I almost bled out on this thing...
I would post pictures but I do not have a digital camera, ever since I broke it while at a party (beer spray owns digital cameras).
It really would have been nice to know that deodorant had anticoagulants in it, I didn't know it had AlCl.
Really now, is that safe? I suppose if the bleeding is life threatening, then yes. But to put very soluble aluminum chloride into the bloodstream is something I would not be willing to do. It's not going to get excreted, probably bioaccumulate somewhere.
Yeah, I was very hesitant to use any sort of "ghetto" coagulant, although if I had lost another unit of blood and was near passing out I might have just done that.
I was counting on the walgreens having styptic if I couldn't stop the bleeding, but they apparently don't like to sell that at many locations anymore.
I actually thought about superglue for some time, but I kept thinking about the infection I could get if the wound wasn't sterile enough and the glue trapped in bacteria. And then how would you remove the superglue once you were done? Order the solvent from the back of the bottle and hope it wouldn't fuck up your skin or be too toxic? Meh....
Plus I wasn't liking the idea of an infection on my chest, so close to my heart and lungs (as someone mentioned earlier here). That is also why I endured multiple IPA scrubbings.
Got some styptic now and I'll be keeping it close. I'm really surprised that Silver Nitrate is prescription only, but then again stupid people might eat it (from my understanding it's usually prepared with some KCl in it, which ingested in high quantities kind of stops your heart...). Plus it tattoos your skin to a slight extent.
On March 09 2009 12:54 TheOvermind77 wrote: Yeah, I was very hesitant to use any sort of "ghetto" coagulant, although if I had lost another unit of blood and was near passing out I might have just done that.
I was counting on the walgreens having styptic if I couldn't stop the bleeding, but they apparently don't like to sell that at many locations anymore.
I actually thought about superglue for some time, but I kept thinking about the infection I could get if the wound wasn't sterile enough and the glue trapped in bacteria. And then how would you remove the superglue once you were done? Order the solvent from the back of the bottle and hope it wouldn't fuck up your skin or be too toxic? Meh....
Plus I wasn't liking the idea of an infection on my chest, so close to my heart and lungs (as someone mentioned earlier here). That is also why I endured multiple IPA scrubbings.
Got some styptic now and I'll be keeping it close. I'm really surprised that Silver Nitrate is prescription only, but then again stupid people might eat it (from my understanding it's usually prepared with some KCl in it, which ingested in high quantities kind of stops your heart...). Plus it tattoos your skin to a slight extent.
WOW patch yourself up with superglue! another good idea would be ductape.
Funny ass read. I hope you NEVER become a doctor, and im dead serious there. no offence but SHIT dude! doesnt your brain gota b like C- minimum for Doctor?
holy shit though, dumbest/funniest shit ive read a person doing in quite a while
This entire operation would have been ok if you had just had a sterilized cauterizing tool with you lol. For anyone else that feels they want to do this go to the clinic and get your hands on one or buy one from a medical supply store. Taking care of a minor burn like that isn't so difficult, just have to keep it clean.
Med school tends to make you rather brave when it comes to self diagnosis, I know, I am guilty of it constantly >.>
I have an appointment set up for tomorrow to get this thing lasered off (it keeps bleeding if I rub it too much).
So after this epic journey, I end up exactly where I should have - in the office of a doctor who is qualified and has the right tools to do the job. Irony...
On the positive side...at least I'm settling things with this hemangioma. He's going to eat laser and burn to death.
Seriously, with all the updates, this may be the funniest OP I have ever read on TL. Awesome. Thx for sharing.
When you first posted, I thought to myself, "That doesn't sound like a good idea. Oh well, he is probably not seriously gonna do it." Then like a week goes by and I notice that a million ppl have read it and it is in the "featured" list and I read it and almost burst my liver laughing.
So I went to the dermatologist today, who is probably the nicest person I have ever met.
The lesion hadn't been bleeding for a bit, but when I took off the bandage in front of the doctor it started shooting like old faithful.
Apparently it's a pyogenic granuloma, a lesion that can have excessive recurring bleeding and is quite nasty looking. Check out some pictures online if you want an idea of what it looks like.
She numbed it, excised it for biopsy, and cauterized pretty deep to prevent recurrence, although I've read that this fucker has a 15% chance of coming back.
Well, I'll be ready this time. With my home-bought cauterizing device!
I had one on my hand bleed often and hard to stop--sebaceous gland oil inhibits clotting didn't want to waist my time going to a doctor tried, bleach ,iodine acetone etc. did not help flame heated to glowing needle worked good cauterized little each day then treated with iodine - not much pain -keep it clean like any wound --no infection finished with cauterizing pen gone for over 1 year
easy and fun NOTE; acetone dissolves super glue but super glue may not work well -- subaqueous gland oil
Then the doctors wonder why people don't follow their advice on not messing with stuff. Like parents and kids... did you already forget what you did when you were on the other side? glorious bump btw
On June 06 2015 16:59 Velr wrote: Badass would be to just cut it out and be silent about it... What the OP did is many things, badass is not one of them
No no, man, what you're talking about is the classic badassery. I love me some uneffective acts of unnecessarily silly badassery! He didn't need to, but when he did anyway, it didn't work out, making the OP all the sweeter! Quite an hero.
The only moronic thing about the OP is how much of a deal he makes out of it. So he had a thing on his skin that bled a lot when he tried to cut it, is that really such a big issue? Contrary to many posters in this thread I don't see much of an issue with him cutting it himself, it's on the fucking skin, not threatening a critical organ, he's not gonna die on the spot when he messes up, the only remotely real danger is the bleeding, but unless you cut a major blood vessel, you are not going to bleed out to dangerous levels within minutes, or even hours if you apply any pressure at all, so if things really went south, there would have always been enough time to call an ambulance.
Huh, I'm surprised I hadn't seen this thread before. That was approached at rather poorly (obviously). When something looks like it's full of blood/blood-vessels it probably is. I'd consider applying dry ice to slowly kill it, or a corrosive salve (like bloodroot paste or black salve). People have carelessly used such pastes on cancer though and that is a terrible idea as it's not a method used by medical professionals and is very unreliable and destructive/dangerous.
I read this when it was first posted, hadn't seen ANY of the updates. This is what a blog should be ... I typically hate blogs because they are so self indulgent but this one has some real universal applications! Plenty of humor and humility ... good show
He's not the doctor he deserved, but the doctor he needed, then ... to make things 10X worse! lol
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