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FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
April 03 2009 10:10 GMT
#2301
geoff incontrol winner of WCG ultimate fakesteve heart capturer
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
Hammy
Profile Joined January 2009
France828 Posts
April 03 2009 10:17 GMT
#2302
Has anyone got a youtube link for the last episode? Can't seem to find the guy who put the previous ones online (not the WCG account since they only had the 1st ep).
groro
Profile Joined March 2009
67 Posts
April 03 2009 10:35 GMT
#2303
@Hammy
A link to the profle where you can find all episodes:
http://www.youtube.com/user/xTEARDROPZx
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
April 03 2009 18:08 GMT
#2304
On April 03 2009 18:54 groro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2009 11:17 Chef wrote:
On April 03 2009 04:54 StarSlay3r wrote:
On April 02 2009 08:50 Chef wrote:
Ciji saying "I WANNA BE THE ONE TO SEE YOU GO!!!" was so weird and retarded. She would totally destroy him... Why not try convincing the house to send the annoying PMS girl to battle if they wanted to be nice to Geoff. And in the end it was her fault Geoff went lol since she betrayed their plan. I'll admit it was a bad plan and against the spirit of the competition, but still.

One of the best players in the house against the worst for that game type... Wow how admirable... lol. How could anyone not see that as trying to snipe Geoff so he'd never get a chance to play the games he's really good at? Political wise it works out too, but Swoozie didn't even consider to play any of the weak players against him... Geoff did really good for someone who was up against the odds, but it still wasn't even close. His opponent would have had to choke with the types of people he was gonna be against. The only player who really helped him was Chelsea (was that her?), while everyone else just had fun in the hottub... For people who act like they care so much, they totally left Geoff out to dry when it looked like he was done.

That said... He's out now, so there's not too much point in watching the rest of the show.... Hahahaha.



I wanted to go to Samsung and help him train all day. He had stated he wanted Rob to go against him so that rob would add "flair" to the competition... I wanted to HELP GEOFF to improve his scores so that if he DID have to go to Samsung he'd go out with style and have a great score and have a close match. Just because you don't understand what I said doesn't mean you should bash me... they can't fit every conversation in the show.

Also I did help Geoff, and so did Robert. It's called EDITING ppl.... just like how they made it out like Jamal trained alone on PGR4... notice that chair next to him? Yeah I was sitting there and must have walked off to go to the bathroom or something for that shot. The editing goes according to the Story that they want to portray.... don't believe EVERYTHING you say and hear.

You take yourself very seriously :O Common, you signed on a show knowing you could be portrayed as selfish and evil, and that just happens to be how they edited it. I'm not going to withhold all judgement because I can't possibly know... Where would be the fun of the show if I did that?

I mean, you could literally say anything. Editors have the motivation to tell an interesting story, and you have the bizarre motivation to defend yourself from people who don't know you. The whole purpose of a reality TV show is gossip.


Well it`s nice for you that you got this knowledge about the concept of this shows. But apparently a lot of other people lacked it, when you saw the reactions. Ban vote and angry offensive postings. So if you are part of a community and now known, then its just normal that you defend yourself when a big amount of people is attacking and start hating on you, seem to lack the right distance to the show and want to ban you from the site. Her post in this matter was just based on the principle of action and reaction and there is nothing to criticize about that. Maybe now some more people are smarter about this kind of shows and keep the right distance.

Sure. I just question what's the fun in a reality TV show if you're not allowed to talk about it for fear it was inaccurately portrayed? We can take that as a given. It doesn't mean we can't pretend it isn't completely fiction and comment on it. I mean, I can hardly believe it's not against their contract to be berating the show so much.

I could think of it this way... "You're all paid actors. You don't have any lines, so just be yourselves and we'll edit it to make sense." Then you get mad at people for thinking you're a bad guy when the show portrayed you as one... It's not like I'm talking to these people in person telling them what their personalities are to their faces... I'm talking about the show. I think that should be a pretty obvious distinction.

LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
April 03 2009 18:18 GMT
#2305
interview: http://www.djwheat.tv/2009/04/03/live-on-three-e10-mlg-geoff/
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-03 18:46:21
April 03 2009 18:30 GMT
#2306
Violated by some Californian hillbillies :O

EDIT: Really interesting interview actually :O Nice work iNc :D
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
MannerKiss
Profile Joined June 2003
United States2398 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-03 19:52:44
April 03 2009 19:12 GMT
#2307
On April 04 2009 03:18 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
interview: http://www.djwheat.tv/2009/04/03/live-on-three-e10-mlg-geoff/


fantastic job in this interview inc <3

If you do go back on the show for SC/Sc2 ect post that too
I want an igloo.
Athena PMS
Profile Joined March 2009
United States44 Posts
April 03 2009 20:07 GMT
#2308
Yes great interview Geoff, your amazing as always and a true representative of this sport! =p
[X]Ken_D
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States4650 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-03 20:24:27
April 03 2009 20:18 GMT
#2309
iNcontroL got robbed

If only CiJi didn't say she was going to drop her game, Geoff may had still been on the show!

EDIT: nm. guess it was cleared up 2-3 pages earlier.
[X]Domain - I just do the website. Nothing more.
Athena PMS
Profile Joined March 2009
United States44 Posts
April 03 2009 22:01 GMT
#2310
Hey guys, THIS POLL is a tad silly, but I figured I would link so you could go show your support of Geoff. He only has ONE vote, and I know that this community would kill it and I don't like seeing him there with only one hehe!
Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
April 03 2009 22:22 GMT
#2311
On April 04 2009 07:01 Athena PMS wrote:
Hey guys, THIS POLL is a tad silly, but I figured I would link so you could go show your support of Geoff. He only has ONE vote, and I know that this community would kill it and I don't like seeing him there with only one hehe!

Hahaha, a poll with only 45 votes total?... posting that on TL isn't even fair!

Having just watched the last episode, I thought it was really good. The dance competition was very funny and the rest was alright.
Tbh Geoff you didn't really deserve to get any further, you were consistently poor in all the games up to that point.
By definition you can't be an "all-around gamer" and suck at all console games. I mean I rate PC gaming much higher like a lot of people on this forum, but I played consoles a lot as a kid and I still appreciate them.

The show is still entertaining and I reckon I'm going to keep watching it, albeit a little less enthusiastically.
Don't hate the player - Hate the game
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
April 04 2009 01:33 GMT
#2312
On April 04 2009 07:01 Athena PMS wrote:
Hey guys, THIS POLL is a tad silly, but I figured I would link so you could go show your support of Geoff. He only has ONE vote, and I know that this community would kill it and I don't like seeing him there with only one hehe!


Registration was quick. He's still near last, but it won't take many to get him up there.
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
April 04 2009 02:37 GMT
#2313
On April 04 2009 07:22 Klive5ive wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2009 07:01 Athena PMS wrote:
Hey guys, THIS POLL is a tad silly, but I figured I would link so you could go show your support of Geoff. He only has ONE vote, and I know that this community would kill it and I don't like seeing him there with only one hehe!

Hahaha, a poll with only 45 votes total?... posting that on TL isn't even fair!

Having just watched the last episode, I thought it was really good. The dance competition was very funny and the rest was alright.
Tbh Geoff you didn't really deserve to get any further, you were consistently poor in all the games up to that point.
By definition you can't be an "all-around gamer" and suck at all console games. I mean I rate PC gaming much higher like a lot of people on this forum, but I played consoles a lot as a kid and I still appreciate them.

The show is still entertaining and I reckon I'm going to keep watching it, albeit a little less enthusiastically.


It isn't particularly revolutionary information to say "I didn't deserve to go further" no shit.. that was why I lost.

I don't suck at all console games.. I suck at those games. And that is fine.. please don't think you are saying anything worth mentioning.
CDRdude
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States5625 Posts
April 04 2009 03:00 GMT
#2314
On April 04 2009 07:22 Klive5ive wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2009 07:01 Athena PMS wrote:
Hey guys, THIS POLL is a tad silly, but I figured I would link so you could go show your support of Geoff. He only has ONE vote, and I know that this community would kill it and I don't like seeing him there with only one hehe!

Hahaha, a poll with only 45 votes total?... posting that on TL isn't even fair!

It's a poll link on the 116th page of a moderately fast-moving topic, and it requires registration. I'm pretty sure this will be on the extreme low end of TL poll-rigging.
Force staff is the best item in the game.
Midnight)Sun
Profile Joined January 2003
United States256 Posts
April 04 2009 03:14 GMT
#2315
haha I laughed out loud @ Dante's comment: "Jamal is crazy. I think by the end of this week, he's going to eat someone." The real life dancing was also great.

It sucks that incontrol got a bad draw with the games being played. But I'm still going to keep watching even though it's so cheesy.
WeakTuna
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada71 Posts
April 04 2009 06:03 GMT
#2316
cijii i hate you!! you should have done nothing in the isolation challenge to save incontrol!! ;( Well you did what was a "normal reaction" i guess. And GJ Geof you did great at DDR!!! Well at least a lot better then my ddr skills. Now this show suck without you. (sorry for all this hatred, i dont mean it i just dont know how to express my self in english when you speak french)
groro
Profile Joined March 2009
67 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-04 09:29:13
April 04 2009 09:23 GMT
#2317
On April 04 2009 03:08 Chef wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2009 18:54 groro wrote:
On April 03 2009 11:17 Chef wrote:
On April 03 2009 04:54 StarSlay3r wrote:
On April 02 2009 08:50 Chef wrote:
Ciji saying "I WANNA BE THE ONE TO SEE YOU GO!!!" was so weird and retarded. She would totally destroy him... Why not try convincing the house to send the annoying PMS girl to battle if they wanted to be nice to Geoff. And in the end it was her fault Geoff went lol since she betrayed their plan. I'll admit it was a bad plan and against the spirit of the competition, but still.

One of the best players in the house against the worst for that game type... Wow how admirable... lol. How could anyone not see that as trying to snipe Geoff so he'd never get a chance to play the games he's really good at? Political wise it works out too, but Swoozie didn't even consider to play any of the weak players against him... Geoff did really good for someone who was up against the odds, but it still wasn't even close. His opponent would have had to choke with the types of people he was gonna be against. The only player who really helped him was Chelsea (was that her?), while everyone else just had fun in the hottub... For people who act like they care so much, they totally left Geoff out to dry when it looked like he was done.

That said... He's out now, so there's not too much point in watching the rest of the show.... Hahahaha.



I wanted to go to Samsung and help him train all day. He had stated he wanted Rob to go against him so that rob would add "flair" to the competition... I wanted to HELP GEOFF to improve his scores so that if he DID have to go to Samsung he'd go out with style and have a great score and have a close match. Just because you don't understand what I said doesn't mean you should bash me... they can't fit every conversation in the show.

Also I did help Geoff, and so did Robert. It's called EDITING ppl.... just like how they made it out like Jamal trained alone on PGR4... notice that chair next to him? Yeah I was sitting there and must have walked off to go to the bathroom or something for that shot. The editing goes according to the Story that they want to portray.... don't believe EVERYTHING you say and hear.

You take yourself very seriously :O Common, you signed on a show knowing you could be portrayed as selfish and evil, and that just happens to be how they edited it. I'm not going to withhold all judgement because I can't possibly know... Where would be the fun of the show if I did that?

I mean, you could literally say anything. Editors have the motivation to tell an interesting story, and you have the bizarre motivation to defend yourself from people who don't know you. The whole purpose of a reality TV show is gossip.


Well it`s nice for you that you got this knowledge about the concept of this shows. But apparently a lot of other people lacked it, when you saw the reactions. Ban vote and angry offensive postings. So if you are part of a community and now known, then its just normal that you defend yourself when a big amount of people is attacking and start hating on you, seem to lack the right distance to the show and want to ban you from the site. Her post in this matter was just based on the principle of action and reaction and there is nothing to criticize about that. Maybe now some more people are smarter about this kind of shows and keep the right distance.

Sure. I just question what's the fun in a reality TV show if you're not allowed to talk about it for fear it was inaccurately portrayed? We can take that as a given. It doesn't mean we can't pretend it isn't completely fiction and comment on it. I mean, I can hardly believe it's not against their contract to be berating the show so much.

I could think of it this way... "You're all paid actors. You don't have any lines, so just be yourselves and we'll edit it to make sense." Then you get mad at people for thinking you're a bad guy when the show portrayed you as one... It's not like I'm talking to these people in person telling them what their personalities are to their faces... I'm talking about the show. I think that should be a pretty obvious distinction.
I would fear nothing in this case and also not that I am not allowed to talk about the participants. I can only talk about the people as they are shown in this show and it would not be my responsibility if they force a image of someone which isn't real and I can't know of it. Thats the business of the participants and the intendants of the show. The main difference is that I can be aware of the concept of such shows, that wrong portraying is possible and then I simply don't overreact, keep emotionally the right distance and don't take everything too serious. A other thing that as a viewer I can do, is that I can show my support to parts of the show and criticism to other parts of it.

I don't know what kind of contract they could have make. I am also not to familiar with US and Reality Tv. But personally I prefer the truth more over a fake theatre. So for me it is positive when somebody would correct me if I got something wrong and negative when this fake stuff gradually gets more and more importance instead for example the gaming or competition part in it.

I could imagine that in this situation you have to agree that they can use the footage how they like. But I think nobody wants that people get a wrong impression of yourself and start to dislike you due to a person that isn't you in reality and so you have the right to clarify those things when you are confronted with them. Otherwise they also can rename it from reality to fake tv.
Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
April 04 2009 10:34 GMT
#2318
On April 04 2009 11:37 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2009 07:22 Klive5ive wrote:
On April 04 2009 07:01 Athena PMS wrote:
Hey guys, THIS POLL is a tad silly, but I figured I would link so you could go show your support of Geoff. He only has ONE vote, and I know that this community would kill it and I don't like seeing him there with only one hehe!

Hahaha, a poll with only 45 votes total?... posting that on TL isn't even fair!

Having just watched the last episode, I thought it was really good. The dance competition was very funny and the rest was alright.
Tbh Geoff you didn't really deserve to get any further, you were consistently poor in all the games up to that point.
By definition you can't be an "all-around gamer" and suck at all console games. I mean I rate PC gaming much higher like a lot of people on this forum, but I played consoles a lot as a kid and I still appreciate them.

The show is still entertaining and I reckon I'm going to keep watching it, albeit a little less enthusiastically.


It isn't particularly revolutionary information to say "I didn't deserve to go further" no shit.. that was why I lost.

I don't suck at all console games.. I suck at those games. And that is fine.. please don't think you are saying anything worth mentioning.

I'm not saying anything revolutionary... but you are?
Summarising my post is very revolutionary, would read again, well done.

You just sound like a poor loser.
Don't hate the player - Hate the game
Flyingdutchman
Profile Joined March 2009
Netherlands858 Posts
April 04 2009 12:08 GMT
#2319
On April 03 2009 04:50 StarSlay3r wrote:
what if I failed... came in last and swoozie picked geoff to go against me.


That is what I would have done if I knew you threw the match, let the scheming backfire on the schemers. You did the right thing.

And Geoff: sucks that they only had those "crappy" (IMHO) games. Even the shooter was a friggin' console game, which to me means that the product placement behind this show was more important than actually choosing games on their competitive merits, like Counter strike....or Starcraft
h3r1n6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Iceland2039 Posts
April 04 2009 14:38 GMT
#2320
I wonder what games they will put into it from now on. Would be hilarious to see them suck at Starcraft, though I don't see them putting it in, too old, graphics too bad, contestants would suck too much at it etc. Too bad iNc is out, but thats the way the show works.

You can't really blame their choice of games, the way the show works etc. This is not about finding the Ultimate Gamer, but about creating a reality show with as much drama as possible. Gaming is only a setting for them, but not the main motivation.
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