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HamerD
United Kingdom1922 Posts
restraint: restrain the dangerous person from the public reform: stop people from being dangerous to the public realism: if someone will never stop being dangerous, prevent them from ever interacting with the public. So don't say that I favour punishment. If you didn't say that, then I misread you cos im in a rush and sorry. | ||
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Frits
11782 Posts
On December 11 2008 05:07 EmeraldSparks wrote: There is a difference between making moral arguments and asserting your moral superiority over everyone who disagrees with you. We all do the former; doing the latter makes you a jackass. I did make an argument: People here seem to be intent on sentencing someone to death with no regard for what's fair, simply based on emotion, with no restraint. I think this is disgusting to watch, feel free to convince me otherwise. If Im morally superior it's because you call me morally superior, not because I asserted it. I didn't assert anything, the evidence in this thread speaks for itself, the fact if it's disgusting or not can be discussed. | ||
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EmeraldSparks
United States1451 Posts
On December 11 2008 05:18 Frits wrote: I did make an argument: People here seem to be intent on sentencing someone to death with no regard for what's fair, simply based on emotion, with no restraint. I think this is disgusting to watch, feel free to convince me otherwise. You did both. On December 11 2008 05:18 Frits wrote: If I'm morally superior it's because you call me morally superior, not because I asserted it. Granted, you never actually said, "I am morally superior to you." However, the following: On December 10 2008 13:29 Frits declared that he was one of the only people with a proper sense of moral thought: What bothers me is that whenever we have one of these threads I realize how little people there are who actually maintain a proper sense of moral thought. On December 10 2008 13:29 Frits called everyone who disagreed with him an idiot: These threads always remind me that we're no fucking different from the way we were in the middle ages except that a bunch of good people made a system that idiots can function in. is basically a paraphrase of the above. On December 11 2008 05:18 Frits wrote: I didn't assert anything, the evidence in this thread speaks for itself. Assuming that you are correct and writing based off of this assumption, though it makes sense when considering your own arguments, isn't really conducive to thought when debating others who may not hold that same assumption. | ||
boesthius
United States11637 Posts
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Dark_Star
Chile19 Posts
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Frits
11782 Posts
On December 11 2008 05:24 EmeraldSparks wrote: You did both. Granted, you never actually said, "I am morally superior to you." However, the following: is basically a paraphrase of the above. Assuming that you are correct and writing based off of this assumption, though it makes sense when considering your own arguments, isn't really conducive to thought when debating others who may not hold that same assumption. Yes that's what having an opinion about something means: Assuming it is somewhat correct until convinced otherwise. What you are doing is assuming how open I am to these arguments, you're saying I am closed minded based on my opinion simply because it was frased harshly. .... which is a bunch of bullshit, I am very open minded to any argument you have to offer. All you want to talk about however is how close minded I am for some reason based on faulty assumptions. | ||
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EmeraldSparks
United States1451 Posts
On December 11 2008 05:40 Frits wrote: Yes that's what having an opinion about something means: Assuming it is somewhat correct until convinced otherwise. What you are doing is assuming how open I am to these arguments, you're saying I am closed minded based on my opinion simply because it was phrased harshly. I never accused you of being closed-minded. I accused you of being arrogant and wallowing in your moral superiority. | ||
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Frits
11782 Posts
And I didn't wallow in my 'moral superiority' at all, I pointed out how I see some of the behavior here as disgusting and hoped some of the people here would come to reason, how is that anywhere close to wallowing in moral superiority. | ||
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Cloud
Sexico5880 Posts
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Frits
11782 Posts
I just frase shit harshly, that's my thing. | ||
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Licmyobelisk
Philippines3682 Posts
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Frits
11782 Posts
On December 11 2008 06:32 Licmyobelisk wrote: Hey people enough... You guys are like SC2 followers and SC:BW followers... Doesn't seem to have compromise... Im sorry did you get lost or something? do you need directions to the blog section? youtube thread? Anything I can help you with? And what the fuck, compromise? Do you think we're trying to close a fucking deal here or something? Yeah that should work out. Okay hamerd, if you admit to giving criminals rights, I will admit to the death penalty? That sound good? Is it a deal? | ||
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Frits
11782 Posts
GROUPHUG ! :-)))))))) | ||
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HamerD
United Kingdom1922 Posts
ps gogo astrology | ||
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MadNeSs
Denmark1507 Posts
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Meta
United States6225 Posts
I read an article recently which proposed that as we begin to know more and more about the human brain, the more we'll see court cases in which defendants will try to get off easy with a psychological explanation of what drove them to commit the crime that they did. That doesn't, however, dissipate the blame, and this woman should still be punished. | ||
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
11739 Posts
On December 10 2008 13:15 Frits wrote: this shit is getting so old first of all your parents are paying, not you, shut up second the death penalty costs way more than a life imprisonment The lethal injection costs more. And maybe the electric chair. There are a lot of ways to execute someone very cheaply. And I do pay for it either way, and I don't want to pay that much either way. They aren't worth the resources. People like this should not be "rehabilitated," because they had a choice, and they chose the wrong one. And I don't find any opposing argument saying that she had no choice (i.e. there is no such thing as free-will) to be very convincing (and I've read the thoughts of people who are probably much smarter than the people at TL, so there is no way anyone here can possibly convince me, either. That isn't intended as a knock on TLers, the people that wrote the stuff were probably smarter than me, too, but I disagree nonetheless. But I'm getting way off track, and making my parenthetical statement ridiculously long.). | ||
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KwarK
United States43808 Posts
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Mooga
United States575 Posts
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