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Ok, so my friend was quitting wow. Has an account that is worth probably over 500$ but he made a deal with a guy for 425$ cause he doesn't care and wants to get rid of it.
Since my friend doesn't have a paypal I told him I would use mine and just withdraw the money and give it to him when I saw him next week or whatever. Him and the buyer talked on AIM (he has aim logs) and worked out all the details then the guy shipped over the money. As soon as I received I withdrew it and my friend shipped the codes over.
3 days later I see a paypal withdrawl cancellation and then a buyer dispute that says buyer did not authorize the buy. Now I (we) have 7 days to provide proof or they will ship the money back to the scamming son of a bitch.
In order to provide proof, paypal asks for a fax of shipping proof or whatever. But since this is a virtual trade via email/aim we obviously have nothing but the emails and logs and there is no option for reversing the dispute with proof via emails or whatever.
I was under the impression that paypal does not allow virtual trading/selling and there is nothing we can do in order to not be scammed here. My friend said he talked to some co-workers and they said we can still call and just tell them what happened and not be scammed.
My guess for the scammer is that he does this all the time and probably just logged on vendored everything and mailed all the gold away. So that when my friend calls Blizzard to get his account back he will have nothing anyways. Can Blizzard respawn all his items and gold though?
Either way the guy still wins because he got all the gold for free basically. How can we fuck this guy back if paypal can't help? Or can they?
PS- Don't tell me how carelessly my friend handled this, I already know. I just did what he said and warned him 100 times. He just tried to rush it all and get it over with.
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My friend wants me to call them right now and just tell them everything but I am assuming that once I say it was a virtual sale they will just go, "too bad, we don't allow this kind of transaction" and just give the scammer his money back.
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CM sounds like you have a good handle on the situation. Yes, that is exactly what they'll say so your best bet would be to call Blizzard Support.
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well in your defence, since a new expansion was just released, all your items arent worth anything and gold is easilly regained. You can still get the account back since you cant change the name it stands on. all you have to do is email blizzard, say you got hacked or whatever and supply valid id proof (like a photo of your drivers license) and you will be able to regain the account. Deleted chars can be regained. If you lost the gold, tough luck, and the items are lost memories i guess, but the playtime invested in the chars will still be there and it is still worth something if youre selling the account again.
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Yep, Paypal won't do shit to protect you. It's an awful, awful service for anyone selling.
Talk to Blizzard and get the account back. Then sell it through different means.
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Wait so if the douchebag sold all the gear and items (its all top tier arena gear afaik) on a few characters then blizzard can't respawn the items? Then he is fucked no matter what.
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On November 18 2008 07:20 Jibba wrote:
Yep, Paypal won't do shit to protect you. It's an awful, awful service for anyone selling.
Talk to Blizzard and get the account back. Then sell it through different means.
oh yea, and paypal took 12$ for the transaction too wtf.
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Well on the bright side your friend will have learnt that wow isn't just a waste of time, it's a complete waste of time, effort and money.
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They can reimburse his items, it's up to the proof / policy / current mood / behavior of the GM he gets hold of if it happens. Back in time (2+ years ago) when I still played that crap-of-a-game, scam like this happened all the time as well - and sometimes GMs reimbursed the items, sometimes only most of it (wtf? I never understood that), sometimes they told you to gtfo. And the cases were 99% similar, so I never understood the guidelines they were working by...
Maybe the service has improved since then.
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On November 18 2008 07:13 Showtime! wrote:
CM sounds like you have a good handle on the situation. Yes, that is exactly what they'll say so your best bet would be to call Blizzard Support.
Ok, so I told my friend and he said hes gonna call blizzard and say it was hacked or whatever. Paypal is allowing 7 days until the dispute is handled or else they just give the buyer his money back. Should I still call them like tomorrow after my friend calls blizzard and try to make the case?
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If you're using paypal e-mails, they should be okay?
I settled a dispute about 3 years ago for $1000, and I sent logs of e-mails. I did order a keyboard (got charged twice) though...
edit: The seller got 2x and didn't say anything.
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On November 18 2008 07:24 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Wait so if the douchebag sold all the gear and items (its all top tier arena gear afaik) on a few characters then blizzard can't respawn the items? Then he is fucked no matter what.
You can't sell that stuff, and even if he did have epics that were sold, Blizzard keeps track of everything you do and they'll likely reimburse everything if you convince them that it was stolen.
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This happened to me before. I bought an xbox, and they never sent it off. So I get the money back, and somehow, the other person reverses it again.
All I did was call ebay, and they helped me fix the balance.
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As far as I know paypal won't help you out here. Unfortunately, you're out of $425. I went through the same thing back when I decided to sell my account in the early goings of BC for $900, and I wasn't able to get the money back from paypal no matter what.
Back when I played blizzard did restore accounts if you were hacked or even if you said that you rage-deleted everything you owned and would like it back. I suppose this is because they'd rather you have your stuff so you can keep paying them money on a monthly basis, but back then they didn't restore any of your enchants when they gave you your stuff back. I'm not sure if anything's changed since then, but I doubt much would.
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Never should have done the transaction like that, but it's redundant at this point. But for future reference, get his $, tell him you wait the 7 days for it to clear and then give him whatever he bought.
Your only out is with blizz now, cuz PP aint doin shit.
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He can get his account back if he sends his ID etc to blizzard, and if the scammer sold all the gear etc you can tell blizzard you got hacked, teh end.
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i've sold my wow account like 3 months ago, and i've had no problem yet so far. the buyer actually contacted me like a month later, if i wanted to buyback the account for $50 cheaper because he didn't have the time to play anymore. of course, i refused. 
anyway, here's how i sold mine. i put mine up on mmobay as an auction. the buyer would receive my ID and pw immediately over e-mail, and then he or she would receive the wow cd-keys and the secret answer to the secret question in an actual mail. i printed them out and literally sent them to the buyer's location Australia over international shipping. stupid me, i forgot to charge the shipping fee, but w/e.
this was the most safe way to sell virtual stuff online, and i had the proof that i had physically sent something to the buyer.
do the same and you should have no problems. btw, i had chatted with the buyer over msn beforehand, and he seemed trustworthy. use the years of your internet experience to find out whether or not hes a scammer before he actually scams YOU!
lol, i remember google mapping the buyer's location, and i told him his neighborhood looked pretty nice XD
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next time do it trought e-bay
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When you ask blizzard for the account back. They give everything back...
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On November 18 2008 07:41 GunsofthePatriots wrote:
This happened to me before. I bought an xbox, and they never sent it off. So I get the money back, and somehow, the other person reverses it again.
All I did was call ebay, and they helped me fix the balance.
wtf, totally different >,<
On November 18 2008 07:46 Horangi wrote:
next time do it trought e-bay
ebay doesn't allow it, duh.. and I can't make a buy it now auction.
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did your friend change his email on the acc to the other guys? Cause if he didnt; he can retrieve his account back and just send a msg to a gm and tell them he got hacked.
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I've never understood this "log" nonsense. I can open up a blank .txt and incriminate whoever i want if that's all it takes to get people in trouble. Email logs? Same deal, takes 30 sec to make a legitimate looking log of emails showing the other person clearly to be scamming me.
log /= hard evidence
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On November 18 2008 07:24 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Wait so if the douchebag sold all the gear and items (its all top tier arena gear afaik) on a few characters then blizzard can't respawn the items? Then he is fucked no matter what.
u cant sell pvp gear. doesnt generate any gold. And as i said. Why bother about gear that will be replaced in 2 levels, and as for mounts and stuff it should now all be in his achievement log rather than as items, thus cant be removed.
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On November 18 2008 08:19 sith wrote:
I've never understood this "log" nonsense. I can open up a blank .txt and incriminate whoever i want if that's all it takes to get people in trouble. Email logs? Same deal, takes 30 sec to make a legitimate looking log of emails showing the other person clearly to be scamming me.
log /= hard evidence
yea, i know. That's why they don't take this kind of shit as proof and don't allow virtual transactions. You need a physical paper trail.
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On November 18 2008 08:32 Starparty wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2008 07:24 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Wait so if the douchebag sold all the gear and items (its all top tier arena gear afaik) on a few characters then blizzard can't respawn the items? Then he is fucked no matter what. u cant sell pvp gear. doesnt generate any gold. And as i said. Why bother about gear that will be replaced in 2 levels, and as for mounts and stuff it should now all be in his achievement log rather than as items, thus cant be removed.
You think a scammer cares? He'll sell everything to fuck someone just because.
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Paypal is horrible. Paypal is literally a scammer's paradise. I've been scammed for $120 there, my friends have been scammed, literally every transaction you do there's no safety at all. You can even have the money in your account and the scammer can take it right back out. How the hell the scammers can do basically whatever they want and you can only sit helpless while paypal ignores you - who knows. In my case, I proved the guy was a known cyber criminal verified by independent records and everything, and PayPal just told me 'Sorry, he already transferred the money out of his account. If he ever puts money back in it we'll send you your $120.'
Three years later... nothing. And, to top it off, I know that same account is still scamming on Ebay, pirating software, and running cell-phone-sale scams IRL, because I've had friends pretend to be interested in these things and the same guy tried to scam them. Where's my freaking $120?
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sorry to hear, but paypal is certainly NOT seller friendly especially for digital intangible items.
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Luckily for your friend - Blizzard is really awesome when it comes to customer support, so they'll probably lock the account asap
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The problem with this is that when people sell a WoW account its like kicking a drug addiction. The fact that the account isn't gonna be sold is like throwing a crack pipe in front of their face again.
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Well this guy has no more proof than you do, just say your buddies account got stolen and Blizzard should at least give him back his items.
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On November 18 2008 10:30 SpiralArchitect wrote:
Well this guy has no more proof than you do, just say your buddies account got stolen and Blizzard should at least give him back his items.
that's true but the guy still needs to be fucked with.
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befriend a hacker.... or a cracker
lols they will noe a way to get him bak
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thedeadhaji
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I'll let you guys know if zulu scams me tonight!
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On November 18 2008 07:49 CharlieMurphy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2008 07:41 GunsofthePatriots wrote:
This happened to me before. I bought an xbox, and they never sent it off. So I get the money back, and somehow, the other person reverses it again.
All I did was call ebay, and they helped me fix the balance. wtf, totally different >,< ebay doesn't allow it, duh.. and I can't make a buy it now auction.
Sorry... I didn't read the whole thing, and thought it was through ebay.
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On November 18 2008 07:46 Horangi wrote:
next time do it trought e-bay
E-Bay and Paypal are almost synonymous with one another considering most people pay through Paypal on E-Bay.
Some guy with a 100% rating who sold well over 800 things tried to scam me on E-Bay. Apparently it was a stolen account and he scammed 50 other people. It was for clothes though, not virtual items. So most of us had no problem getting the money back.
It happens all the time.
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This exact situation has happened to me with a WoW sale.
Paypal will not do thing.
You can get item/gold/characters restored if you call Blizzard.
The thing is, usually when you sell a WoW account, the seller will change the email address registered to the account to the buyers email. So if your friend has done that then its game over. Blizzard will not talk to anyone who doesn't have access to the email attached to the account in question. And it's not like you can call Blizz and say 'Hey I was selling my WoW account and the guy ripped me off, please reset my password and gimmie back my shit'. Selling accounts is against the TOS.
If your friend only gave the username/password then all he has to do is go to the WoW website and say he forgot his password and they will email him a new one.
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ok, so my friend got his account back and its all legit and back in place it seems. I guess the scammer actually wanted to use the account and shit, Maybe he stole the paypal account and was trying to buy shit with it but the real owner claimed shenanigans.
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You could try emailing the scammer guy with the ol' Nigerian email scam and fight fire with fire.
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this is the reason i wont do paypal, fucking horrible.
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On November 18 2008 08:34 CharlieMurphy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2008 08:32 Starparty wrote:On November 18 2008 07:24 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Wait so if the douchebag sold all the gear and items (its all top tier arena gear afaik) on a few characters then blizzard can't respawn the items? Then he is fucked no matter what. u cant sell pvp gear. doesnt generate any gold. And as i said. Why bother about gear that will be replaced in 2 levels, and as for mounts and stuff it should now all be in his achievement log rather than as items, thus cant be removed. You think a scammer cares? He'll sell everything to fuck someone just because.
Okay..? And what has that to do with anything?
* His items are worthless
* Account is regainable
* Characters, possibly deleted, are regainable
* Gold is regainable either through reimburst or simply farming them again since you get 250g per char/day nowdays without trying.
You made an unsafe transaction and this is the way you can save it. Now, continue to try to save a business deal that didnt even go off or take back the account as fast as you can and save what is left if anything is gone at all.
ps. if you did, never mind. I havent read the latest post yet.¨
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On November 18 2008 15:16 CharlieMurphy wrote:
ok, so my friend got his account back and its all legit and back in place it seems. I guess the scammer actually wanted to use the account and shit, Maybe he stole the paypal account and was trying to buy shit with it but the real owner claimed shenanigans.
i rest my case. good thing it worked out allright.
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that fucking blows  their has to be something ><
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Like I said about two times already, if you still have the same email as before on the account, you can just change the password and login. Send a msg to a GM, tell them you got hacked and they will return everything.
If you changed the email to his. Just call blizzard and tell them that you got hacked and that you need your account back. They will ask for your info to confirm it and your secret question that you set.
You will receive it back like this.
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wow, oddly enough, i sold my BT/SWP geared priest for $425 exactly about a week before the expansion came out (i should have sold it months ago for twice that, but i wanted to clear SWP)
the first thing i saw in your post was paypal scammer, $425, and was like no i'm not!
(the guy i sold to didn't fuck me over though)
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Well, if you ever do this again with a WoW account, give the account/password after payment. But don't give the secret word/cd keys till 30 days have past. Which is when the buyer cannot file a complaint anymore. (I think it's shorter around 21... But saying 30 to save my ass.) Sure this makes you look like a scammer, but it will protect you.
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step 1) Call blizzard
step 2) Tell them your email has been changed and you cant get your account back
step 3) Give them SQ and Last name, and account is yours again
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On November 19 2008 05:24 dream-_- wrote:
step 1) Call blizzard
step 2) Tell them your email has been changed and you cant get your account back
step 3) Give them SQ and Last name, and account is yours again
I said that but they don't listen! :C
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