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CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-17 21:58:49
November 17 2008 21:58 GMT
#1
Ok, so my friend was quitting wow. Has an account that is worth probably over 500$ but he made a deal with a guy for 425$ cause he doesn't care and wants to get rid of it.

Since my friend doesn't have a paypal I told him I would use mine and just withdraw the money and give it to him when I saw him next week or whatever. Him and the buyer talked on AIM (he has aim logs) and worked out all the details then the guy shipped over the money. As soon as I received I withdrew it and my friend shipped the codes over.

3 days later I see a paypal withdrawl cancellation and then a buyer dispute that says buyer did not authorize the buy. Now I (we) have 7 days to provide proof or they will ship the money back to the scamming son of a bitch.
In order to provide proof, paypal asks for a fax of shipping proof or whatever. But since this is a virtual trade via email/aim we obviously have nothing but the emails and logs and there is no option for reversing the dispute with proof via emails or whatever.

I was under the impression that paypal does not allow virtual trading/selling and there is nothing we can do in order to not be scammed here. My friend said he talked to some co-workers and they said we can still call and just tell them what happened and not be scammed.

My guess for the scammer is that he does this all the time and probably just logged on vendored everything and mailed all the gold away. So that when my friend calls Blizzard to get his account back he will have nothing anyways. Can Blizzard respawn all his items and gold though?

Either way the guy still wins because he got all the gold for free basically. How can we fuck this guy back if paypal can't help? Or can they?


PS- Don't tell me how carelessly my friend handled this, I already know. I just did what he said and warned him 100 times. He just tried to rush it all and get it over with.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-17 22:04:46
November 17 2008 22:04 GMT
#2
My friend wants me to call them right now and just tell them everything but I am assuming that once I say it was a virtual sale they will just go, "too bad, we don't allow this kind of transaction" and just give the scammer his money back.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
Showtime!
Profile Joined November 2007
Canada2938 Posts
November 17 2008 22:13 GMT
#3
CM sounds like you have a good handle on the situation. Yes, that is exactly what they'll say so your best bet would be to call Blizzard Support.
Mini skirt season is right around the corner. ☻
Starparty
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Sweden1963 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-17 22:20:29
November 17 2008 22:13 GMT
#4
well in your defence, since a new expansion was just released, all your items arent worth anything and gold is easilly regained. You can still get the account back since you cant change the name it stands on. all you have to do is email blizzard, say you got hacked or whatever and supply valid id proof (like a photo of your drivers license) and you will be able to regain the account. Deleted chars can be regained. If you lost the gold, tough luck, and the items are lost memories i guess, but the playtime invested in the chars will still be there and it is still worth something if youre selling the account again.
The artist formerly known as Starparty
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
November 17 2008 22:20 GMT
#5
Yep, Paypal won't do shit to protect you. It's an awful, awful service for anyone selling.

Talk to Blizzard and get the account back. Then sell it through different means.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
November 17 2008 22:24 GMT
#6
Wait so if the douchebag sold all the gear and items (its all top tier arena gear afaik) on a few characters then blizzard can't respawn the items? Then he is fucked no matter what.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
November 17 2008 22:24 GMT
#7
On November 18 2008 07:20 Jibba wrote:
Yep, Paypal won't do shit to protect you. It's an awful, awful service for anyone selling.

Talk to Blizzard and get the account back. Then sell it through different means.

oh yea, and paypal took 12$ for the transaction too wtf.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
Nytefish
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United Kingdom4282 Posts
November 17 2008 22:29 GMT
#8
Well on the bright side your friend will have learnt that wow isn't just a waste of time, it's a complete waste of time, effort and money.
No I'm never serious.
Naib
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Hungary4843 Posts
November 17 2008 22:29 GMT
#9
They can reimburse his items, it's up to the proof / policy / current mood / behavior of the GM he gets hold of if it happens. Back in time (2+ years ago) when I still played that crap-of-a-game, scam like this happened all the time as well - and sometimes GMs reimbursed the items, sometimes only most of it (wtf? I never understood that), sometimes they told you to gtfo. And the cases were 99% similar, so I never understood the guidelines they were working by...

Maybe the service has improved since then.
Complete the cycle!
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
November 17 2008 22:29 GMT
#10
On November 18 2008 07:13 Showtime! wrote:
CM sounds like you have a good handle on the situation. Yes, that is exactly what they'll say so your best bet would be to call Blizzard Support.

Ok, so I told my friend and he said hes gonna call blizzard and say it was hacked or whatever. Paypal is allowing 7 days until the dispute is handled or else they just give the buyer his money back. Should I still call them like tomorrow after my friend calls blizzard and try to make the case?
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
LeoTheLion
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
China958 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-17 22:30:50
November 17 2008 22:29 GMT
#11
If you're using paypal e-mails, they should be okay?

I settled a dispute about 3 years ago for $1000, and I sent logs of e-mails. I did order a keyboard (got charged twice) though...

edit: The seller got 2x and didn't say anything.
Communism is not love. Communism is a hammer which we use to crush the enemy. -Chairman Mao
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
November 17 2008 22:30 GMT
#12
On November 18 2008 07:24 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Wait so if the douchebag sold all the gear and items (its all top tier arena gear afaik) on a few characters then blizzard can't respawn the items? Then he is fucked no matter what.

You can't sell that stuff, and even if he did have epics that were sold, Blizzard keeps track of everything you do and they'll likely reimburse everything if you convince them that it was stolen.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
November 17 2008 22:32 GMT
#13
found this http://www.realpoor.com/Possible_to_get_your_scammed_WoW_account_back__t92654.html
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
GunsofthePatriots
Profile Joined August 2007
South Africa991 Posts
November 17 2008 22:41 GMT
#14
This happened to me before. I bought an xbox, and they never sent it off. So I get the money back, and somehow, the other person reverses it again.

All I did was call ebay, and they helped me fix the balance.
poingy
Profile Joined November 2007
United States59 Posts
November 17 2008 22:42 GMT
#15
As far as I know paypal won't help you out here. Unfortunately, you're out of $425. I went through the same thing back when I decided to sell my account in the early goings of BC for $900, and I wasn't able to get the money back from paypal no matter what.


Back when I played blizzard did restore accounts if you were hacked or even if you said that you rage-deleted everything you owned and would like it back. I suppose this is because they'd rather you have your stuff so you can keep paying them money on a monthly basis, but back then they didn't restore any of your enchants when they gave you your stuff back. I'm not sure if anything's changed since then, but I doubt much would.
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32083 Posts
November 17 2008 22:43 GMT
#16
Never should have done the transaction like that, but it's redundant at this point. But for future reference, get his $, tell him you wait the 7 days for it to clear and then give him whatever he bought.

Your only out is with blizz now, cuz PP aint doin shit.
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Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
November 17 2008 22:44 GMT
#17
He can get his account back if he sends his ID etc to blizzard, and if the scammer sold all the gear etc you can tell blizzard you got hacked, teh end.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
CapO
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States1615 Posts
November 17 2008 22:45 GMT
#18
i've sold my wow account like 3 months ago, and i've had no problem yet so far. the buyer actually contacted me like a month later, if i wanted to buyback the account for $50 cheaper because he didn't have the time to play anymore. of course, i refused.

anyway, here's how i sold mine. i put mine up on mmobay as an auction. the buyer would receive my ID and pw immediately over e-mail, and then he or she would receive the wow cd-keys and the secret answer to the secret question in an actual mail. i printed them out and literally sent them to the buyer's location Australia over international shipping. stupid me, i forgot to charge the shipping fee, but w/e.
this was the most safe way to sell virtual stuff online, and i had the proof that i had physically sent something to the buyer.
do the same and you should have no problems. btw, i had chatted with the buyer over msn beforehand, and he seemed trustworthy. use the years of your internet experience to find out whether or not hes a scammer before he actually scams YOU!

lol, i remember google mapping the buyer's location, and i told him his neighborhood looked pretty nice XD
SNSD fan
Horangi
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Hong Kong226 Posts
November 17 2008 22:46 GMT
#19
next time do it trought e-bay
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
November 17 2008 22:47 GMT
#20
When you ask blizzard for the account back. They give everything back...
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