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LaSt)ChAnCe
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States2179 Posts
December 10 2008 19:33 GMT
#741
On December 11 2008 04:20 NotSupporting wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2008 04:08 LaSt)ChAnCe wrote:
On December 11 2008 03:44 Cascade wrote:
wtf, the spreading ignorance in US is honestly scaring the shit out of me actually...
You don't believe in evolution

i'll stop right there and let you know, you're probably the most ignorant person i've ever seen post on these forums


Show nested quote +
On December 11 2008 04:10 Spartan wrote:
Haha, thinking the same thing.


See, that's one thing that in my opinion (and the opinion of a great majority of Sweden and plenty of other European countries) is weird about USA. Evolution is the way to world has been made to look like it does today, THERE is no god. To education students in school about a god creating the world is imo considered being brainwashing and that might belong in the middle-east but not in a developed country. Guns and Americans are just another f--ked up thing.


do they teach you this stupid shit in sweden or did you just come up with it yourself?
Spartan
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States2030 Posts
December 10 2008 19:34 GMT
#742
On December 11 2008 04:33 LaSt)ChAnCe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2008 04:20 NotSupporting wrote:
On December 11 2008 04:08 LaSt)ChAnCe wrote:
On December 11 2008 03:44 Cascade wrote:
wtf, the spreading ignorance in US is honestly scaring the shit out of me actually...
You don't believe in evolution

i'll stop right there and let you know, you're probably the most ignorant person i've ever seen post on these forums


On December 11 2008 04:10 Spartan wrote:
Haha, thinking the same thing.


See, that's one thing that in my opinion (and the opinion of a great majority of Sweden and plenty of other European countries) is weird about USA. Evolution is the way to world has been made to look like it does today, THERE is no god. To education students in school about a god creating the world is imo considered being brainwashing and that might belong in the middle-east but not in a developed country. Guns and Americans are just another f--ked up thing.


do they teach you this stupid shit in sweden or did you just come up with it yourself?

Stop killing him before giving me a chance.
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Spartan
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States2030 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-10 19:41:18
December 10 2008 19:39 GMT
#743
On December 11 2008 04:11 [Crimson]Bason wrote:
LOL dont you see, the reason we have terrorism is because there are unhappy people somewhere. Why are terrorists focusing on the USA, UK, Isreal... these hot spots? because these countries have done something to make some groups unhappy? USA has been spreading its influence across the globe especially in the middle east causing this hatred towards US. 911 killed a few thousand, US respond by going to war with afghanistan and Iraq killing hundred of thousands there, I would assume more than half are civilians, you just can not target soldiers and millitary facilities in cities when you are invading without killing more civilians. You can expect more terrorisms coming to US with the hatred that has been building in those people's heart.

another subjet, the attack on pearl harbor is the same, US lost 1000+ soldiers and that's what started the war in which US killed millions of japanese. I m not saying that japanese were right, I want you to just look at the American side.

USA total casualties in WW2 (including in europe and the war with japan) = about 400000

those two nukes combine more than that.

USA is the one that lost the least compared to any other country during WW2 (20 mil for both China and USSR, 7 M for germany, 3M for japan)

I always had a question why was the USA even afraid of the USSR, after they have been decimated by germany and losing more than 20 mil people?

Answer this.. if USA is such a hated country then why the hell do your people keep coming over here? It is because we are the best country that we also get all the attention. USA is, whether you like to admit it or not, the center of this planet.

So you're going to blame us because we lost less people than the Japanese? They started the war. They deserve it. They brought this on themselves. They reaped the punishment. They learned from their mistakes. They forfeited. Is it really our fault that we're the smarter ones here? We ended the war as soon as possible for the better of both sides of it. If we didn't do so then the numbers of casualties would easily skyrocket to triple or more.

Edit: Remember, the Axis powers (the bad guys) in WW2 were Germany, the Nazis, Italy, and Japan.
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NotSupporting
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden1998 Posts
December 10 2008 19:46 GMT
#744
On December 11 2008 04:33 LaSt)ChAnCe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2008 04:20 NotSupporting wrote:
On December 11 2008 04:08 LaSt)ChAnCe wrote:
On December 11 2008 03:44 Cascade wrote:
wtf, the spreading ignorance in US is honestly scaring the shit out of me actually...
You don't believe in evolution

i'll stop right there and let you know, you're probably the most ignorant person i've ever seen post on these forums


On December 11 2008 04:10 Spartan wrote:
Haha, thinking the same thing.


See, that's one thing that in my opinion (and the opinion of a great majority of Sweden and plenty of other European countries) is weird about USA. Evolution is the way to world has been made to look like it does today, THERE is no god. To education students in school about a god creating the world is imo considered being brainwashing and that might belong in the middle-east but not in a developed country. Guns and Americans are just another f--ked up thing.


do they teach you this stupid shit in sweden or did you just come up with it yourself?


Calm down mate. I am trying to point out differences between how Americans see things and how I think most Swedish people would look at it. It is after all a very important point when discussing this topic. I don't know what point you wondered if they teach but I guess you mean that evolution is the real thing. In that case, yes, evolution is what students learn in Sweden but also no, teachers do not say that thinking god created the earth is brainwashing. But still religious belief in Sweden is not nearly as high as in USA and a result of that more people believing in the evolution. Interesting discussion though, maybe some more Swedish or north European boys/girls could join in and say if I got this right or not cause I can see you not believing me atm.
LaSt)ChAnCe
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States2179 Posts
December 10 2008 19:47 GMT
#745
On December 11 2008 04:46 NotSupporting wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2008 04:33 LaSt)ChAnCe wrote:
On December 11 2008 04:20 NotSupporting wrote:
On December 11 2008 04:08 LaSt)ChAnCe wrote:
On December 11 2008 03:44 Cascade wrote:
wtf, the spreading ignorance in US is honestly scaring the shit out of me actually...
You don't believe in evolution

i'll stop right there and let you know, you're probably the most ignorant person i've ever seen post on these forums


On December 11 2008 04:10 Spartan wrote:
Haha, thinking the same thing.


See, that's one thing that in my opinion (and the opinion of a great majority of Sweden and plenty of other European countries) is weird about USA. Evolution is the way to world has been made to look like it does today, THERE is no god. To education students in school about a god creating the world is imo considered being brainwashing and that might belong in the middle-east but not in a developed country. Guns and Americans are just another f--ked up thing.


do they teach you this stupid shit in sweden or did you just come up with it yourself?


Calm down mate. I am trying to point out differences between how Americans see things and how I think most Swedish people would look at it. It is after all a very important point when discussing this topic. I don't know what point you wondered if they teach but I guess you mean that evolution is the real thing. In that case, yes, evolution is what students learn in Sweden but also no, teachers do not say that thinking god created the earth is brainwashing. But still religious belief in Sweden is not nearly as high as in USA and a result of that more people believing in the evolution. Interesting discussion though, maybe some more Swedish or north European boys/girls could join in and say if I got this right or not cause I can see you not believing me atm.


no, i was asking if they teach you that americans are taught religion in school as opposed to evolution, it sounds like you're being brainwashed actually
Spartan
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States2030 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-10 19:51:25
December 10 2008 19:51 GMT
#746
On December 11 2008 04:46 NotSupporting wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2008 04:33 LaSt)ChAnCe wrote:
On December 11 2008 04:20 NotSupporting wrote:
On December 11 2008 04:08 LaSt)ChAnCe wrote:
On December 11 2008 03:44 Cascade wrote:
wtf, the spreading ignorance in US is honestly scaring the shit out of me actually...
You don't believe in evolution

i'll stop right there and let you know, you're probably the most ignorant person i've ever seen post on these forums


On December 11 2008 04:10 Spartan wrote:
Haha, thinking the same thing.


See, that's one thing that in my opinion (and the opinion of a great majority of Sweden and plenty of other European countries) is weird about USA. Evolution is the way to world has been made to look like it does today, THERE is no god. To education students in school about a god creating the world is imo considered being brainwashing and that might belong in the middle-east but not in a developed country. Guns and Americans are just another f--ked up thing.


do they teach you this stupid shit in sweden or did you just come up with it yourself?


Calm down mate. I am trying to point out differences between how Americans see things and how I think most Swedish people would look at it. It is after all a very important point when discussing this topic. I don't know what point you wondered if they teach but I guess you mean that evolution is the real thing. In that case, yes, evolution is what students learn in Sweden but also no, teachers do not say that thinking god created the earth is brainwashing. But still religious belief in Sweden is not nearly as high as in USA and a result of that more people believing in the evolution. Interesting discussion though, maybe some more Swedish or north European boys/girls could join in and say if I got this right or not cause I can see you not believing me atm.

What if God is the real thing and you guys are being brainwashed in school to learn evolution which is why you're arguing for it?

Edit: Anyways, lets not turn this into another religion debate..
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42696 Posts
December 10 2008 19:55 GMT
#747
On December 11 2008 04:51 Spartan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2008 04:46 NotSupporting wrote:
On December 11 2008 04:33 LaSt)ChAnCe wrote:
On December 11 2008 04:20 NotSupporting wrote:
On December 11 2008 04:08 LaSt)ChAnCe wrote:
On December 11 2008 03:44 Cascade wrote:
wtf, the spreading ignorance in US is honestly scaring the shit out of me actually...
You don't believe in evolution

i'll stop right there and let you know, you're probably the most ignorant person i've ever seen post on these forums


On December 11 2008 04:10 Spartan wrote:
Haha, thinking the same thing.


See, that's one thing that in my opinion (and the opinion of a great majority of Sweden and plenty of other European countries) is weird about USA. Evolution is the way to world has been made to look like it does today, THERE is no god. To education students in school about a god creating the world is imo considered being brainwashing and that might belong in the middle-east but not in a developed country. Guns and Americans are just another f--ked up thing.


do they teach you this stupid shit in sweden or did you just come up with it yourself?


Calm down mate. I am trying to point out differences between how Americans see things and how I think most Swedish people would look at it. It is after all a very important point when discussing this topic. I don't know what point you wondered if they teach but I guess you mean that evolution is the real thing. In that case, yes, evolution is what students learn in Sweden but also no, teachers do not say that thinking god created the earth is brainwashing. But still religious belief in Sweden is not nearly as high as in USA and a result of that more people believing in the evolution. Interesting discussion though, maybe some more Swedish or north European boys/girls could join in and say if I got this right or not cause I can see you not believing me atm.

What if God is the real thing and you guys are being brainwashed in school to learn evolution which is why you're arguing for it?

Edit: Anyways, lets not turn this into another religion debate..

Microevolution has been proved with fruit flies and the fossil record for macroevolution has now been confirmed. Is it possible to brainwash people into believing something real? I guess you could say our whole culture is based around the brainwashing of the scientific paradigm (ie hypothesis, experiment, evidence, fact) but once you accept that paradigm evolution is factual.
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_PulSe_
Profile Joined August 2006
United States541 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-10 20:16:26
December 10 2008 20:11 GMT
#748
On December 11 2008 04:20 NotSupporting wrote:
See, that's one thing that in my opinion (and the opinion of a great majority of Sweden and plenty of other European countries) is weird about USA. Evolution is the way to world has been made to look like it does today, THERE is no god. To education students in school about a god creating the world is imo considered being brainwashing and that might belong in the middle-east but not in a developed country. Guns and Americans are just another f--ked up thing.


once again you shove your foot in your mouth. We teach evolution in our schools and dont teach creationism. Where do you get this from. It seems your the one who is biased from propaganda about USA and you don't know your facts. Everything you have said is just as ignorant as what you think the USA is.

On December 11 2008 03:55 NotSupporting wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2008 03:44 Cascade wrote:
wtf, the spreading ignorance in US is honestly scaring the shit out of me actually...
You don't believe in evolution, you voted f-ing bush 2 as president, you shoot the shit out of each other on a daily basis refering to "my right to carry a gun", and now you are saying that nuking a city full of civilians was the best alternativ? :o

And this is the country having most power in the world by far atm... I am seriously scared for how this is going to end.


I agree so much. Plenty of things about USA leaves you thinking....wtf.

You said we are scary because we voted bush jr. well i got a surprise.... Barack won the election. So it was abvious the american people were not satisfied. So make these statements that the US is scary. You say we shoot the shit out of each other yet your country does not have the economic downpoor areas like we do. So please stop passing judgement on america based on propaganda that states we teach creationism.

On December 11 2008 04:46 NotSupporting wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2008 04:33 LaSt)ChAnCe wrote:
On December 11 2008 04:20 NotSupporting wrote:
On December 11 2008 04:08 LaSt)ChAnCe wrote:
On December 11 2008 03:44 Cascade wrote:
wtf, the spreading ignorance in US is honestly scaring the shit out of me actually...
You don't believe in evolution

i'll stop right there and let you know, you're probably the most ignorant person i've ever seen post on these forums


On December 11 2008 04:10 Spartan wrote:
Haha, thinking the same thing.


See, that's one thing that in my opinion (and the opinion of a great majority of Sweden and plenty of other European countries) is weird about USA. Evolution is the way to world has been made to look like it does today, THERE is no god. To education students in school about a god creating the world is imo considered being brainwashing and that might belong in the middle-east but not in a developed country. Guns and Americans are just another f--ked up thing.


do they teach you this stupid shit in sweden or did you just come up with it yourself?


Calm down mate. I am trying to point out differences between how Americans see things and how I think most Swedish people would look at it. It is after all a very important point when discussing this topic. I don't know what point you wondered if they teach but I guess you mean that evolution is the real thing. In that case, yes, evolution is what students learn in Sweden but also no, teachers do not say that thinking god created the earth is brainwashing. But still religious belief in Sweden is not nearly as high as in USA and a result of that more people believing in the evolution. Interesting discussion though, maybe some more Swedish or north European boys/girls could join in and say if I got this right or not cause I can see you not believing me atm.


You say your trying to point out differences in how americans see things when nothing you are saying is concurrent with what a large majority of america think. Over 90% of america believes in evolution. Believing in a deity does not immediately mean you dont believe in evolution.
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Burre
Profile Joined September 2008
Sweden154 Posts
December 10 2008 20:56 GMT
#749
What I can't seem to understand is why USA chose Hiroshima and Nagasaki specifically as targets for the bombs. What made these two cities optimal targets? I'm confident they didn't just drop the bombs on a whim, surely there must have been some reasoning behind it.
Spartan
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States2030 Posts
December 10 2008 21:03 GMT
#750
On December 11 2008 05:56 Burre wrote:
What I can't seem to understand is why USA chose Hiroshima and Nagasaki specifically as targets for the bombs. What made these two cities optimal targets? I'm confident they didn't just drop the bombs on a whim, surely there must have been some reasoning behind it.

Directly from Wikipedia..

Hiroshima:
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Hiroshima during World War II

At the time of its bombing, Hiroshima was a city of some industrial and military significance. A number of military camps were located nearby, including the headquarters of the Fifth Division and Field Marshal Shunroku Hata's 2nd General Army Headquarters, which commanded the defense of all of southern Japan. Hiroshima was a minor supply and logistics base for the Japanese military. The city was a communications center, a storage point, and an assembly area for troops. It was one of several Japanese cities left deliberately untouched by American bombing, allowing a pristine environment to measure the damage caused by the atomic bomb.
A postwar "Little Boy" casing mockup

The center of the city contained several reinforced concrete buildings and lighter structures. Outside the center, the area was congested by a dense collection of small wooden workshops set among Japanese houses. A few larger industrial plants lay near the outskirts of the city. The houses were of wooden construction with tile roofs, and many of the industrial buildings also were of wood frame construction. The city as a whole was highly susceptible to fire damage.

The population of Hiroshima had reached a peak of over 381,000 earlier in the war, but prior to the atomic bombing the population had steadily decreased because of a systematic evacuation ordered by the Japanese government. At the time of the attack the population was approximately 255,000. This figure is based on the registered population used by the Japanese in computing ration quantities, and the estimates of additional workers and troops who were brought into the city may be inaccurate.


Nagasaki:
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Nagasaki during World War II
Urakami Tenshudo (Catholic Church in Nagasaki) in January 1946, destroyed by the atomic bomb, the dome of the church having toppled off.

The city of Nagasaki had been one of the largest sea ports in southern Japan and was of great wartime importance because of its wide-ranging industrial activity, including the production of ordnance, ships, military equipment, and other war materials.

In contrast to many modern aspects of Hiroshima, the bulk of the residences were of old-fashioned Japanese construction, consisting of wood or wood-frame buildings, with wood walls (with or without plaster), and tile roofs. Many of the smaller industries and business establishments were also housed in buildings of wood or other materials not designed to withstand explosions. Nagasaki had been permitted to grow for many years without conforming to any definite city zoning plan; residences were erected adjacent to factory buildings and to each other almost as closely as possible throughout the entire industrial valley.

Nagasaki had never been subjected to large-scale bombing prior to the explosion of a nuclear weapon there. On August 1, 1945, however, a number of conventional high-explosive bombs were dropped on the city. A few hit in the shipyards and dock areas in the southwest portion of the city, several hit the Mitsubishi Steel and Arms Works and six bombs landed at the Nagasaki Medical School and Hospital, with three direct hits on buildings there. While the damage from these bombs was relatively small, it created considerable concern in Nagasaki and many people—principally school children—were evacuated to rural areas for safety, thus reducing the population in the city at the time of the nuclear attack.

To the north of Nagasaki there was a camp holding British Commonwealth prisoners of war, some of whom were working in the coal mines and only found out about the bombing when they came to the surface. At least eight known POWs died from the bombing and as many as thirteen POWs may have died:

* One British Commonwealth.
* Seven Dutch (two names known) died in the bombing.
* At least two POWs reportedly died postwar from cancer thought to have been caused by Atomic bomb.

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NotSupporting
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden1998 Posts
December 10 2008 21:09 GMT
#751
On December 11 2008 05:11 _PulSe_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2008 04:20 NotSupporting wrote:
See, that's one thing that in my opinion (and the opinion of a great majority of Sweden and plenty of other European countries) is weird about USA. Evolution is the way to world has been made to look like it does today, THERE is no god. To education students in school about a god creating the world is imo considered being brainwashing and that might belong in the middle-east but not in a developed country. Guns and Americans are just another f--ked up thing.


once again you shove your foot in your mouth. We teach evolution in our schools and dont teach creationism. Where do you get this from. It seems your the one who is biased from propaganda about USA and you don't know your facts. Everything you have said is just as ignorant as what you think the USA is.

Show nested quote +
On December 11 2008 03:55 NotSupporting wrote:
On December 11 2008 03:44 Cascade wrote:
wtf, the spreading ignorance in US is honestly scaring the shit out of me actually...
You don't believe in evolution, you voted f-ing bush 2 as president, you shoot the shit out of each other on a daily basis refering to "my right to carry a gun", and now you are saying that nuking a city full of civilians was the best alternativ? :o

And this is the country having most power in the world by far atm... I am seriously scared for how this is going to end.


I agree so much. Plenty of things about USA leaves you thinking....wtf.

You said we are scary because we voted bush jr. well i got a surprise.... Barack won the election. So it was abvious the american people were not satisfied. So make these statements that the US is scary. You say we shoot the shit out of each other yet your country does not have the economic downpoor areas like we do. So please stop passing judgement on america based on propaganda that states we teach creationism.

Show nested quote +
On December 11 2008 04:46 NotSupporting wrote:
On December 11 2008 04:33 LaSt)ChAnCe wrote:
On December 11 2008 04:20 NotSupporting wrote:
On December 11 2008 04:08 LaSt)ChAnCe wrote:
On December 11 2008 03:44 Cascade wrote:
wtf, the spreading ignorance in US is honestly scaring the shit out of me actually...
You don't believe in evolution

i'll stop right there and let you know, you're probably the most ignorant person i've ever seen post on these forums


On December 11 2008 04:10 Spartan wrote:
Haha, thinking the same thing.


See, that's one thing that in my opinion (and the opinion of a great majority of Sweden and plenty of other European countries) is weird about USA. Evolution is the way to world has been made to look like it does today, THERE is no god. To education students in school about a god creating the world is imo considered being brainwashing and that might belong in the middle-east but not in a developed country. Guns and Americans are just another f--ked up thing.


do they teach you this stupid shit in sweden or did you just come up with it yourself?


Calm down mate. I am trying to point out differences between how Americans see things and how I think most Swedish people would look at it. It is after all a very important point when discussing this topic. I don't know what point you wondered if they teach but I guess you mean that evolution is the real thing. In that case, yes, evolution is what students learn in Sweden but also no, teachers do not say that thinking god created the earth is brainwashing. But still religious belief in Sweden is not nearly as high as in USA and a result of that more people believing in the evolution. Interesting discussion though, maybe some more Swedish or north European boys/girls could join in and say if I got this right or not cause I can see you not believing me atm.


You say your trying to point out differences in how americans see things when nothing you are saying is concurrent with what a large majority of america think. Over 90% of america believes in evolution. Believing in a deity does not immediately mean you dont believe in evolution.


Ok, well my bad then, I guess I take your word for it that no schools in the USA teach creationism even though I find it surprising and very unlikely. Maybe in another thousand years humanity will be free of religions...damn I dream of the day. Anyway, end of discussion or back to the subject anyone?
PliX
Profile Joined May 2008
Netherlands72 Posts
December 10 2008 21:24 GMT
#752
It is just a fact, an American thinks his country is the best in the world, let them be. Everything his or her government is doing is utterly good. Which I disagree with, governments take everything from ya, your money and in the end your freedom as well (and of course they'll say they do it to protect you...).

Oh and if you guys think that american's have the best country. Here are some statistics that will proof your case [/end sarcasm]
27.000 suicides
23.000 murders
85.000 weapon casualties
13.000.000 crime victims
135.000 kids take a gun to school
37.000.000 people use anti-depressants
25.000.000 people see a psychiatrist
Great country to live in when 1 of 6 Americans need some drugs to function in society...

Fact is, bombing the japanese cities was and will always be genocide. Of course people come up with shit arguments like, it will save other lives. Bull SHIT it is utterly BULL SHIT, killing a life to save 1000 others is BULLSHIT, it never did and will never happen. It is more likely the other side will retaliate.

Every smuck who thinks killing a person is going to solve anything, is a person who believes anything.
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Orlandu
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
China2450 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-10 21:35:36
December 10 2008 21:33 GMT
#753
On December 11 2008 06:24 PliX wrote:
It is just a fact, an American thinks his country is the best in the world, let them be. Everything his or her government is doing is utterly good. Which I disagree with, governments take everything from ya, your money and in the end your freedom as well (and of course they'll say they do it to protect you...).

Oh and if you guys think that american's have the best country. Here are some statistics that will proof your case [/end sarcasm]
27.000 suicides
23.000 murders
85.000 weapon casualties
13.000.000 crime victims
135.000 kids take a gun to school
37.000.000 people use anti-depressants
25.000.000 people see a psychiatrist
Great country to live in when 1 of 6 Americans need some drugs to function in society...

Fact is, bombing the japanese cities was and will always be genocide. Of course people come up with shit arguments like, it will save other lives. Bull SHIT it is utterly BULL SHIT, killing a life to save 1000 others is BULLSHIT, it never did and will never happen. It is more likely the other side will retaliate.

Every smuck who thinks killing a person is going to solve anything, is a person who believes anything.


If you really believe what you're saying, particularly that first part, then you truly are more brainwashed than the Americans you criticize. If you're so blind to the world that you can't see from this very forum even that quite a few Americans have serious issues with their country, and you still think that they all believe that their country is some magical land that never does anything wrong and is better than every other place in the world, well then sir, you're just not opening your eyes past what you want to believe. Which to me is one of the most ignorant things a person can ever do. It seems that you're very misinformed about Americans and are enjoying sticking to the things that you think you know. That's why you're upsetting some people here, not because what you're saying is some holy truth that burns the guilty, but because what you're saying just isn't true.

There are very patriotic Americans. Just as there are very patriotic Swedes, Dutch, Koreans, Chinese, and so on. All of them can be a bit deluded. But it's just plain ignorance to think that all citizens from a country are like that and think uniformly, especially when you don't even have to look outside of this very forum to prove otherwise.
We cant give up just because things arent the way we want them to be.
cz
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3249 Posts
December 10 2008 21:35 GMT
#754
Voted yes.
cz
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3249 Posts
December 10 2008 21:37 GMT
#755
On December 11 2008 06:24 PliX wrote:
It is just a fact, an American thinks his country is the best in the world, let them be. Everything his or her government is doing is utterly good. Which I disagree with, governments take everything from ya, your money and in the end your freedom as well (and of course they'll say they do it to protect you...).

Oh and if you guys think that american's have the best country. Here are some statistics that will proof your case [/end sarcasm]
27.000 suicides
23.000 murders
85.000 weapon casualties
13.000.000 crime victims
135.000 kids take a gun to school
37.000.000 people use anti-depressants
25.000.000 people see a psychiatrist
Great country to live in when 1 of 6 Americans need some drugs to function in society...

Fact is, bombing the japanese cities was and will always be genocide. Of course people come up with shit arguments like, it will save other lives. Bull SHIT it is utterly BULL SHIT, killing a life to save 1000 others is BULLSHIT, it never did and will never happen. It is more likely the other side will retaliate.

Every smuck who thinks killing a person is going to solve anything, is a person who believes anything.


Ask your grandparents about life in the early 40s please before you get all pacifist. Your idealist view runs into trouble when bad people decide they don't care what you or others think.
D10
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Brazil3409 Posts
December 10 2008 21:46 GMT
#756
Let me put what I feel this way, I think it was genocide, it was not justified, but I dont blame no one for it, at least not with my limited knowledge about who pushed the decision.

Sometimes, destiny is writen by lines of blood
" We are not humans having spiritual experiences. - We are spirits having human experiences." - Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
cz
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3249 Posts
December 10 2008 21:48 GMT
#757
On December 11 2008 06:46 D10 wrote:
Let me put what I feel this way, I think it was genocide, it was not justified, but I dont blame no one for it, at least not with my limited knowledge about who pushed the decision.

Sometimes, destiny is writen by lines of blood


What is your alternate course of action then? Say you are President Truman, and you have to decide whether to go forward with the plan that eventually took place or not. You say no. What do you do next, with regards to the war?
PliX
Profile Joined May 2008
Netherlands72 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-10 21:52:17
December 10 2008 21:49 GMT
#758
I don't give a rats ass who rules me, in the end I am fucked anyway. What the government doesn't need you can keep, and what it needs it will steal, kill and let other people burn for it. Every government does that. Plain and simple. But that doesn't mean I believe the phony shit people brag about that throwing a bomb helped save my ass.

I know there are americans who know there might be issues with their country. I am sorry for those who I offended with the statistics. I rather respond to the ones who respond that we are jealous about their country because it is the greatest in the world. It isn't. Just like the Netherlands isn't and so has the dutch government it flaws... a lot.

Oh and when the bad people come to my place and want to beat the crap out of me, I will make sure I will take one of them with me. But I will never, ever fight for a cause the government thinks is good.
1. NTT - Best Brood War player in the history of the game. Also totally awesome and super sweet. Some ego problems.
cz
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3249 Posts
December 10 2008 21:52 GMT
#759
On December 11 2008 06:49 PliX wrote:
I don't give a rats ass who rules me, in the end I am fucked anyway. What the government doesn't need you can keep, and what it needs it will steal, kill and let other people burn for it. Every government does that. Plain and simple. But that doesn't mean I believe the phony shit people brag about that throwing a bomb helped save my ass.

I know there are americans who know there might be issues with their country. I am sorry for those who I offended with the statistics. I rather respond to the ones who respond that we are jealous about their country because it is the greatest in the world. It isn't. Just like the Netherlands and it's government has it flaws... a lot.

Oh and when the bad people come to my place and want to beat the crap out of me, I will make sure I will take one of them with me. But I will never, ever fight for a cause the government thinks is good.


What are you talking about? This isn't a question of the legitimacy of present governments or their policies, but a specific question about the justice of the 1945 nukes.

I seriously suggest you review history and/or human nature if you continue to believe that "killing someone has never prevented anything. Never has never will." which you also contradict in your "I will take on of them with me line." From what I understood about your position you would be a willing, consenting victim because you don't think violence/killing every solves anything.

Please clarify.
NotSupporting
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden1998 Posts
December 10 2008 21:53 GMT
#760
On December 11 2008 06:24 PliX wrote:
It is just a fact, an American thinks his country is the best in the world, let them be. Everything his or her government is doing is utterly good. Which I disagree with, governments take everything from ya, your money and in the end your freedom as well (and of course they'll say they do it to protect you...).

Oh and if you guys think that american's have the best country. Here are some statistics that will proof your case [/end sarcasm]
27.000 suicides
23.000 murders
85.000 weapon casualties
13.000.000 crime victims
135.000 kids take a gun to school
37.000.000 people use anti-depressants
25.000.000 people see a psychiatrist
Great country to live in when 1 of 6 Americans need some drugs to function in society...

Fact is, bombing the japanese cities was and will always be genocide. Of course people come up with shit arguments like, it will save other lives. Bull SHIT it is utterly BULL SHIT, killing a life to save 1000 others is BULLSHIT, it never did and will never happen. It is more likely the other side will retaliate.

Every smuck who thinks killing a person is going to solve anything, is a person who believes anything.



http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=lN24Kl3qvF4&feature=related

Just to support this up. Watch the first 3 minutes or so.
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