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On December 09 2008 13:17 il0seonpurpose wrote:
Isn't all of this debate subjective? On one side you have people saying, yes its justified, the numbers show it but the other side are the people saying its not justified because you can't just label people as statistics and not think about their personal lives and such.

On December 09 2008 13:40 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Yes. Poetic justice. Japan did a lot of crap to the rest of Asia, killed a few million people, so, I'd say they got off easy.

On December 09 2008 13:57 alphafuzard wrote:

You can't group a country as if it was one person. The Japanese ARMY and Japanese GOVERNMENT under a sadistic leader committed war crimes and devastated the entire east coast of Asia...but not the Japanese civilians. The nuclear bombings on Hiroshima and Nagasaki targeted hundreds of thousands of CIVILIANS, people who had no influence on the world at large.

On December 09 2008 13:17 Kwark wrote:

Where do you draw the line between military and civilian in a total war? Is it okay to hit a munitions factory? If so, is it okay to hit munitions workers? If so, is it okay to hit the infrastructure that supports them? In a total war there are no civilians. That's the definition of it. The entire population mobilised to maximise productivity in the war effort. In a total war the contribution to the war of a soldier and a farmer are the same, if one is a target the other should be.

On December 09 2008 13:57 alphafuzard wrote:

You can't group a country as if it was one person. The Japanese ARMY and Japanese GOVERNMENT under a sadistic leader committed war crimes and devastated the entire east coast of Asia...but not the Japanese civilians. The nuclear bombings on Hiroshima and Nagasaki targeted hundreds of thousands of CIVILIANS, people who had no influence on the world at large.

Wouldn't killing the Emperor outright been just as effective as the A-Bomb?

On December 10 2008 08:12 dybydx wrote:


actually i think the emperor was the one that stopped the war. the japanese generals were willing to fight to the last man, but the emperor wasnt willing to watch his cities bombed.

On December 09 2008 12:59 rushz0rz wrote:
Never is it justified to drop an atomic bomb on a city full of innocent civilians. Why not just blockade the island and starve them into surrender? You have to remember the Japanese have long, centuries old traditions with the Bushido, its just in their culture to not surrender, and this was continually pumped into every citizen and army soldier and officer. Try undergoing years and years of education in one tradition, you will believe what you are told, even Hitler knew this. Japan is all about the society as a whole and not the individual, and therefore surrendering is becoming a traitor to your country. The Japanese had already payed the price of Pearl Harbor and the atomic bomb was just too far. Even Japanese historians will say that the Americans forced them into the position they got themselves into.

Only a stupid, redneck, nationalist (its not fascism when they do it) American would believe that the atomic bomb used on Japan is justified.

On December 10 2008 08:27 SpiralArchitect wrote:

Paid the price for Pearl Harbor? You have such a pretty and nice view on what war is, you should really study things before making idiotic comments like this. War isnt as clear cut as you think it is, its always a sad and ugly thing which can never, ever be justified. I have my own views on the nuclear bombs but you can go back to the beginning of this and see those.

1) Like Kwark said this was total war. In total war the citizens are your enemy, everyone who swears allegiance to your enemy is fair game and thats just the way it is. The atomic bomb was not even the worst of World War II, if you look into it you can find numerous evens which were much much more shocking than this.

2) The Japanese were not forced into the war. They sided with the Nazis and when we wouldnt sell them scrap and oil because they did so they freaked out. How did they get pushed into siding with the Nazis? How did they get pushed into invading China? Please tell me these secrets from the past.

3) This thread is fucking stupid and so are you.

4) Japan was not some innocent bystander, you act like all those citizens were just there on vacation and they just so happened to get bombed. Those people supported the Japanese war effort, which is not just the Government, its everyone in that country growing food, making weapons, building cars and so forth. Every citizen of a country is responsible for his allegiance and if you dont like it get the fuck out before your ass gets bombed because your job and your taxes support the war effort.

5) THink about it this way. You are playing SC and you notice that your opponents economy is monstrous, he is making tons and tons of units and you cant catch up. What do you do? Well you try and slow his economy down by killing his workers or an expansion. Now did those workers ever do anything to you? No. But did the dragoons that the minerals he mined made? Yes they fucking attacked you. But why are you reaver dropping him/storming his scvs? Well because if you do that he cant make anymore fucking units and you can win. IS THAT SIMPLE ENOUGH FOR YOU?