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MarklarMarklar
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Fiji1823 Posts
August 12 2008 19:08 GMT
#21
humanity will go different paths out in space and develop differently and become seperate species with time
hello there
Haemonculus
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States6980 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-12 19:14:51
August 12 2008 19:11 GMT
#22
I'm betting on computers. The technological singularity is probably inevitable, at which point we will be rapidly replaced as the most intelligent species on the planet.

Though I am not sure if this will mean death to all humans, or simply a different spot in the ecosystem.

Edit: To add to the OP, the technological singularity happens when humanity succeeds in creating a machine more intelligent than us, (collectively). At that point, assuming we have a intelligence factor of 1, and we managed to create something with an intelligence factor of 1.1, then that creation can now make something more intelligent than itself (1.21), and so on.

Basically the singularity is the point at which the exponent of technological improvements becomes greater than one. At which time each new machine can effectively create something more intelligent than itself, leaving us in the dust.
I admire your commitment to being *very* oily
SCC-Faust
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3736 Posts
August 12 2008 19:13 GMT
#23
Can aliens be like, some meteor crashes into earth and we'd get infected with a disease that like kills us and can be transfered through sex? ALIEN DISEASEEEEE.
I want to fuck Soulkey with a Zelderan.
DhakhaR
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United Kingdom721 Posts
August 12 2008 19:14 GMT
#24
SKYNET.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-12 19:18:47
August 12 2008 19:14 GMT
#25
On August 13 2008 04:06 dancefayedance!~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2008 04:03 travis wrote:
it wouldn'ttake 5 million years for us to evolve into something different (imo)

evolution in humans is happening faster now than ever

hopefully we stop having so many babies tho

i major in evolutionary biology and i can tell you that that isnt happening. im curious as to why you would think it would be happening?


saying that you major in evolutionary biology means very little to me. people learn what they are taught, and what they are taught is never the full picture. if it was u wouldn't be able to get a job.

it's not just our bodies that evolves. our brains are incredibly complex, I am sure you will agree.

what accounts for the incredible differences between the brains of one human being to the next?

and really our bodies differ vastly as well, especially compared to other animals. we also mate with partners that have vast differences from ourselves, what other animals do that?



here read this it sums up what im trying to say

http://unews.utah.edu/p/?r=120607-1


and "speeding up" may have been the wrong way for me to describe what im trying to say, maybe "diversifying" is better?
DrainX
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Sweden3187 Posts
August 12 2008 19:16 GMT
#26
On August 13 2008 04:06 dancefayedance!~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2008 04:03 travis wrote:
it wouldn'ttake 5 million years for us to evolve into something different (imo)

evolution in humans is happening faster now than ever

hopefully we stop having so many babies tho

i major in evolutionary biology and i can tell you that that isnt happening. im curious as to why you would think it would be happening?

Cool If I didn't study computer science I would probably study evolutionary biology as well. Could you recommend me some books? I've read The Selfish Gene and I'm planning to read The Extended Phenotype.
dancefayedance!~
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
396 Posts
August 12 2008 19:17 GMT
#27
On August 13 2008 04:05 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2008 04:01 dancefayedance!~ wrote:
i doubt people will evolve much beyond this point. you cant have biological evolution without natural selection and without competition no natural selection. we - as humans - do not face the competition needed to drive natural selection.


I think you are looking at evolution, even biological evolution, the wrong way

competition comes in more forms than fight or flight - kill or be killed

we are competing with each other now - we are filling the niches


actually im not. i wasnt talking about kill or be killed. evolution is much deeper and more complex than that. even the idea of kill or be killed is incredibly naive. i was talking about sex actually. we are possibly the only species that has sex and reproduces with another person not just because of their genes. many factors play an important role. it isnt all up to perfect symmetry or the guy with the best genes. so the best genes arent necessarily being the only ones passed on. thus you have this huge pot of genes where it doesnt directly matter which genes you have. yes their are a lot of 'vain' people out there but most people cherish and prefer personality over good looks.

of course there can be indirect influences of our genes but not enough to guide or drive evolution.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
August 12 2008 19:21 GMT
#28
On August 13 2008 04:17 dancefayedance!~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2008 04:05 travis wrote:
On August 13 2008 04:01 dancefayedance!~ wrote:
i doubt people will evolve much beyond this point. you cant have biological evolution without natural selection and without competition no natural selection. we - as humans - do not face the competition needed to drive natural selection.


I think you are looking at evolution, even biological evolution, the wrong way

competition comes in more forms than fight or flight - kill or be killed

we are competing with each other now - we are filling the niches


actually im not. i wasnt talking about kill or be killed. evolution is much deeper and more complex than that. even the idea of kill or be killed is incredibly naive. i was talking about sex actually. we are possibly the only species that has sex and reproduces with another person not just because of their genes. many factors play an important role. it isnt all up to perfect symmetry or the guy with the best genes. so the best genes arent necessarily being the only ones passed on. thus you have this huge pot of genes where it doesnt directly matter which genes you have. yes their are a lot of 'vain' people out there but most people cherish and prefer personality over good looks.

of course there can be indirect influences of our genes but not enough to guide or drive evolution.


well tell me, what is evolution guided by.

does the situation u are describing (which I agree) lead to more differences between humans, or less?
Thrill
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
2599 Posts
August 12 2008 19:22 GMT
#29
Whatever way it'll play out, the people of Madagascar will live to tell the tale.
dancefayedance!~
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
396 Posts
August 12 2008 19:23 GMT
#30
On August 13 2008 04:14 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2008 04:06 dancefayedance!~ wrote:
On August 13 2008 04:03 travis wrote:
it wouldn'ttake 5 million years for us to evolve into something different (imo)

evolution in humans is happening faster now than ever

hopefully we stop having so many babies tho

i major in evolutionary biology and i can tell you that that isnt happening. im curious as to why you would think it would be happening?


saying that you major in evolutionary biology means very little to me. people learn what they are taught, and what they are taught is never the full picture. if it was u wouldn't be able to get a job.

it's not just our bodies that evolves. our brains are incredibly complex, I am sure you will agree.

what accounts for the incredible differences between the brains of one human being to the next?

and really our bodies differ vastly as well, especially compared to other animals. we also mate with partners that have vast differences from ourselves, what other animals do that?



here read this it sums up what im trying to say

http://unews.utah.edu/p/?r=120607-1


majoring in evolutionary biology should mean a lot. i love evolution and have loved it since i was a little boy. ive always been fascinated by it and now i have professors able to guide me in the proper directions. i dont think we should simply agree with everything that comes out of their mouths, ive disagreed with with my superiors on numerous occasions; however, its safe to assume they have a much better understanding about evolution than people who dont have any interest in other fields.

that being said what makes you think you have the full picture?

and when you say "and really our bodies differ vastly as well, especially compared to other animals. we also mate with partners that have vast differences from ourselves, what other animals do that?"

that is the very reason why any biological evolution ceases. there is no surival of the fittest. the best genes arent necessarily the best genes according to humans anymore. and now any genes are capable of survival.

DrainX
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Sweden3187 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-12 19:27:54
August 12 2008 19:25 GMT
#31
Evolution is guided by evolutionary pressure. Either a small population has to be isolated and/or some variation in the genes must be a lot more suitable for survival and reproduction. Most humans survive to reproductive age and many who do choose not to get kids/use contraceptives etc.
FirstBorn
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Romania3955 Posts
August 12 2008 19:26 GMT
#32
On August 13 2008 03:48 aRod wrote:
WWIII, Russia will probably start it.


And win it.
SonuvBob: Yes, the majority of TL is college-aged, and thus clearly stupid.
Psilver
Profile Joined June 2008
Canada82 Posts
August 12 2008 19:28 GMT
#33
It's sad to think that more than 1 of these options are viable. I don't think it will happen to my generation though.
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
August 12 2008 19:30 GMT
#34
a CERN-made black hole.
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
dancefayedance!~
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
396 Posts
August 12 2008 19:30 GMT
#35
On August 13 2008 04:21 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2008 04:17 dancefayedance!~ wrote:
On August 13 2008 04:05 travis wrote:
On August 13 2008 04:01 dancefayedance!~ wrote:
i doubt people will evolve much beyond this point. you cant have biological evolution without natural selection and without competition no natural selection. we - as humans - do not face the competition needed to drive natural selection.


I think you are looking at evolution, even biological evolution, the wrong way

competition comes in more forms than fight or flight - kill or be killed

we are competing with each other now - we are filling the niches


actually im not. i wasnt talking about kill or be killed. evolution is much deeper and more complex than that. even the idea of kill or be killed is incredibly naive. i was talking about sex actually. we are possibly the only species that has sex and reproduces with another person not just because of their genes. many factors play an important role. it isnt all up to perfect symmetry or the guy with the best genes. so the best genes arent necessarily being the only ones passed on. thus you have this huge pot of genes where it doesnt directly matter which genes you have. yes their are a lot of 'vain' people out there but most people cherish and prefer personality over good looks.

of course there can be indirect influences of our genes but not enough to guide or drive evolution.


well tell me, what is evolution guided by.

does the situation u are describing (which I agree) lead to more differences between humans, or less?


to put it simply evolution is guided by natural selection which is guided by competition.competition does not mean just kill or be killed. there are many variables and if you're interested i can explain by pm as to not entirely derail the thread.

this is an important question to ask and one i cant really answer without putting in much thought. ive heard - to sum it up simply - that we would all become incredibly similar because of dominant genes. once again if you're interested in why i could do my best to explain through pm but this is just one view ive heard and doesnt mean i agree with it. from what i know its hard to say where exactly i stand. its seems obvious to assume we'd be vastly unique and different but you must take account into many small yet important variables.
anch
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States5457 Posts
August 12 2008 19:31 GMT
#36
Alien - Zerg, because of the final metamorphosis. jk.

I voted Cosmological Catastrophe bullcrap, if the Mayan prediction is correct, we be screwed on 2012.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=58369
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-12 19:44:11
August 12 2008 19:35 GMT
#37
On August 13 2008 04:23 dancefayedance!~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2008 04:14 travis wrote:
On August 13 2008 04:06 dancefayedance!~ wrote:
On August 13 2008 04:03 travis wrote:
it wouldn'ttake 5 million years for us to evolve into something different (imo)

evolution in humans is happening faster now than ever

hopefully we stop having so many babies tho

i major in evolutionary biology and i can tell you that that isnt happening. im curious as to why you would think it would be happening?


saying that you major in evolutionary biology means very little to me. people learn what they are taught, and what they are taught is never the full picture. if it was u wouldn't be able to get a job.

it's not just our bodies that evolves. our brains are incredibly complex, I am sure you will agree.

what accounts for the incredible differences between the brains of one human being to the next?

and really our bodies differ vastly as well, especially compared to other animals. we also mate with partners that have vast differences from ourselves, what other animals do that?



here read this it sums up what im trying to say

http://unews.utah.edu/p/?r=120607-1


majoring in evolutionary biology should mean a lot. i love evolution and have loved it since i was a little boy. ive always been fascinated by it and now i have professors able to guide me in the proper directions. i dont think we should simply agree with everything that comes out of their mouths, ive disagreed with with my superiors on numerous occasions; however, its safe to assume they have a much better understanding about evolution than people who dont have any interest in other fields.

that being said what makes you think you have the full picture?

and when you say "and really our bodies differ vastly as well, especially compared to other animals. we also mate with partners that have vast differences from ourselves, what other animals do that?"

that is the very reason why any biological evolution ceases. there is no surival of the fittest. the best genes arent necessarily the best genes according to humans anymore. and now any genes are capable of survival.



so what, you're saying that genes don't play a role in our behavior and cognition?

and since when is biological evolution necessarily fueled by survival of the fittest? that is natural selection, not biological evolution. evolution is about adaptation of every sort - evolution doesn't need to make sense it just happens.

if you want to pm me thats fine we don't have to continue the discussion here
mahnini
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States6862 Posts
August 12 2008 19:39 GMT
#38
zombies everywhere
the world's a playground. you know that when you're a kid, but somewhere along the way everyone forgets it.
Bozali
Profile Joined January 2008
Sweden155 Posts
August 12 2008 19:43 GMT
#39
lol at people voting rapture
dancefayedance!~
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
396 Posts
August 12 2008 19:48 GMT
#40
On August 13 2008 04:35 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2008 04:23 dancefayedance!~ wrote:
On August 13 2008 04:14 travis wrote:
On August 13 2008 04:06 dancefayedance!~ wrote:
On August 13 2008 04:03 travis wrote:
it wouldn'ttake 5 million years for us to evolve into something different (imo)

evolution in humans is happening faster now than ever

hopefully we stop having so many babies tho

i major in evolutionary biology and i can tell you that that isnt happening. im curious as to why you would think it would be happening?


saying that you major in evolutionary biology means very little to me. people learn what they are taught, and what they are taught is never the full picture. if it was u wouldn't be able to get a job.

it's not just our bodies that evolves. our brains are incredibly complex, I am sure you will agree.

what accounts for the incredible differences between the brains of one human being to the next?

and really our bodies differ vastly as well, especially compared to other animals. we also mate with partners that have vast differences from ourselves, what other animals do that?



here read this it sums up what im trying to say

http://unews.utah.edu/p/?r=120607-1


majoring in evolutionary biology should mean a lot. i love evolution and have loved it since i was a little boy. ive always been fascinated by it and now i have professors able to guide me in the proper directions. i dont think we should simply agree with everything that comes out of their mouths, ive disagreed with with my superiors on numerous occasions; however, its safe to assume they have a much better understanding about evolution than people who dont have any interest in other fields.

that being said what makes you think you have the full picture?

and when you say "and really our bodies differ vastly as well, especially compared to other animals. we also mate with partners that have vast differences from ourselves, what other animals do that?"

that is the very reason why any biological evolution ceases. there is no surival of the fittest. the best genes arent necessarily the best genes according to humans anymore. and now any genes are capable of survival.



so what, you're saying that genes don't play a role in our behavior and cognition?

and since when is biological evolution necessarily fueled by survival of the fittest? that is natural selection, not biological evolution. evolution is about adaptation of every sort - evolution doesn't need to make sense it just happens.

im not saying genes dont play a role in our behavior or cognition. im saying these traits dont matter in the scope of things because we are so diverse and we dont always pick the best mate. animals are completely objective whereas human beings decide their mate subjectively.

natural selection is the process by which biological evolution changes. and natural selection is not just survival of the fittest. we are not adapting by the best genes because there hasnt been any reason to do so. with science and technology we all can all adapt. it has nothing to do with our genes anymore.



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