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I think people are giving themselves more credit than they deserve. A lot of people would just go into shock if a dog REALLY bit into muscle, and some people would panic even before then.
It's easy to think that you can win when you're picturing a fight in your head, just like you're always witty when you have conversations in your mind. But just because you can win a match against a human with boxing gloves on doesn't mean you can deal with an animal trying to kill you. People like to say that "well, humans are the most intelligent species so naturally we would have superior tactics and can outsmart wild animals". The truth is, when you're faced with an actual life-or-death situation that you're not prepared for, you turn into a monkey. And a monkey is not going to have fancy tactics up his sleeve.
You have to kick a person really hard to knock them out in one blow. It might be easier against a dog, but I doubt most people without martial arts training would be able to manage it. In my experience, the average person without training is spectacularly bad at kicking hard, so good luck trying to pull it off in a crisis.
Choking is probably the best way to actually kill it, but again, if you don't have any experience in this sort of thing you'll probably make a crappy halfhearted grab, get your arm bitten, panic from the pain and forget about choking and just end up smacking the dog ineffectively. Even if you don't panic, it's hard to choke someone when they're holding one of your arms in their teeth.
The only thing you really have going for you is that (speculation) dogs still have the pack instinct, so it's unlikely to just go for your jugular and instead hang onto your limbs to allow other dogs to attack you.
If you do end up fighting a dog, then your best move is to not be a damn hero and just run for the nearest weapon. After all, our biggest advantage is not "intelligence" but the fact that we're tool-using creatures. I'm pretty sure our ancestors developed the rock before karate. If you fail at hitting/kicking it and get bitten (and you will get bitten) then you need to calm the fuck down and go for the eyes. If your arms are somehow free, then choke it. If you grabbed a rock, then keep hitting it in the head (even a monkey can manage that).
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Wrap cloth around forearm, let the dog bite then smash his neck.
GG no re.
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On July 22 2012 00:25 Peqqz wrote:How you beat that?
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Dogs are pack hunters, which is exactly why they go for arms and limbs first. Their trying to immobilize the prey so the rest of the pack can catch up and munch the other extremities including the neck. A dog solo is going to latch onto an arm, or leg, it would be rare for the dog to go straight for for your throat.
If it bites your forearm, and you're of sound mind, you could knee that dog so hard in the head that the fight would be over quickly. Seriously the knee can deliver a blow that is just nasty in terms of the damage it can do.
I would say if the human is prepared and has some fight/flight adrenaline, I would say human. If the human runs or is unprepared, dog
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On July 22 2012 00:46 MVega wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 00:35 OneOther wrote:
A German Shepherd vs an average human being? Are you kidding me? Do people think you can just kick a shepherd to death while it just lies there? These dogs are extremely fast, strong and even smart. Average human stands no chance. A lot people who have never owned a German Shepherd or similar dog actually do think that way. I've heard a lot of people remark that they'd simply "kick the dog." In my lifetime I've had a German Shepherd, a Doberman, Two huskies, and now I have a Pitbull. Just talking about the German Shepherd, he was smart. It didn't take him long to figure things out. A lot of people think dogs are stupid animals, but a smart breed like a German Shepherd is more clever than people give them credit for. I run, he ran faster and he was much more agile. I'm strong, but his jaws at the very least were stronger and his teeth were huge. When I was still training him there were times where he would pick something up that he wasn't supposed to have and I would have to take it away from him. I honestly couldn't pull his jaws apart to get it away from him. He was resilient. I saw that dog run face first into a wall one time because he was distracted, his head put a hole in the wall and he didn't give a shit. I saw him run around a swimming pool and straight into an old iron pole that was used for clotheslines. He didn't give a shit. Dogs are tougher than people who aren't dog owners give them credit for. Good thing that they're good natured until lazy/mean people ruin them. Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 00:34 Lysanias wrote:
Let it bite your leg, grab it by the neck and chocke it to death. adrenaline ftw and a cornered human is serieusly scarry.
Also dogs don't tend to let go very fast ones they get a hold of you, use it to your advantage. Good luck getting a good hold on it and keeping a good hold on it while it thrashes around with a huge chunk of your flesh in it's mouth.
Don't forget, like I mentioned earlier and noone esle seems to mention; as soon as you put your hands on the dog for grapling/chocking it would take your fingers in one easy snap. They can move their heads around super easy.
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On July 22 2012 00:47 YourMom wrote:
Wrap cloth around forearm, let the dog bite then smash his neck.
GG no re.
I'm guessing you think that because you've played with a dog and that cloth trick works when playing with a housepet? Doesn't work with a seriously pissed off animal. You could be wearing a heavy sweatshirt and it wouldn't work out too good for you. While playing aggressively it may seem like a dog is trying to hurt you, but when a dog is really trying to hurt you a piece of cloth around your forearm isn't going to save you. That's why when the police train German Shepherds to tackle people the people being tackled wear several layers of clothing and a very thick well padded outer layer.
That also assumes that they go for the forearm.
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On July 22 2012 00:49 frontliner2 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 00:46 MVega wrote:On July 22 2012 00:35 OneOther wrote:
A German Shepherd vs an average human being? Are you kidding me? Do people think you can just kick a shepherd to death while it just lies there? These dogs are extremely fast, strong and even smart. Average human stands no chance. A lot people who have never owned a German Shepherd or similar dog actually do think that way. I've heard a lot of people remark that they'd simply "kick the dog." In my lifetime I've had a German Shepherd, a Doberman, Two huskies, and now I have a Pitbull. Just talking about the German Shepherd, he was smart. It didn't take him long to figure things out. A lot of people think dogs are stupid animals, but a smart breed like a German Shepherd is more clever than people give them credit for. I run, he ran faster and he was much more agile. I'm strong, but his jaws at the very least were stronger and his teeth were huge. When I was still training him there were times where he would pick something up that he wasn't supposed to have and I would have to take it away from him. I honestly couldn't pull his jaws apart to get it away from him. He was resilient. I saw that dog run face first into a wall one time because he was distracted, his head put a hole in the wall and he didn't give a shit. I saw him run around a swimming pool and straight into an old iron pole that was used for clotheslines. He didn't give a shit. Dogs are tougher than people who aren't dog owners give them credit for. Good thing that they're good natured until lazy/mean people ruin them. On July 22 2012 00:34 Lysanias wrote:
Let it bite your leg, grab it by the neck and chocke it to death. adrenaline ftw and a cornered human is serieusly scarry.
Also dogs don't tend to let go very fast ones they get a hold of you, use it to your advantage. Good luck getting a good hold on it and keeping a good hold on it while it thrashes around with a huge chunk of your flesh in it's mouth. Don't forget, like I mentioned earlier and noone esle seems to mention; as soon as you put your hands on the dog for grapling/chocking it would take your fingers in one easy snap. They can move their heads around super easy.
Good point, forgot about that one. If you grab a dog by the neck it can swivel it's head around to the side and sink it's teeth into your arm/wrist. Dog's necks are very flexible. A dog can turn it's head around far enough that it can bite parts of it's own upper back. It's just that area right between the shoulder blades that a dog can't reach.
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I think most people picking humans probably never had much experience with shepherds. I'm pretty average sized 5'9 inch/170lbs (maybe a little smaller than the american male average) and my old shepherd would own me in a do or die fight. No chance, no doubt. If you are a linebacker at 6'3/250 then maybe. Even then I wouldn't bet on it.
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Pretty sure you could RNC a german shephard, hell take it's back and gnp that mother fucker!
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On July 22 2012 00:34 Lysanias wrote:
Let it bite your leg, grab it by the neck and chocke it to death. adrenaline ftw and a cornered human is serieusly scarry.
Also dogs don't tend to let go very fast ones they get a hold of you, use it to your advantage.
choke it to death ? professional fighters need like 10 seconds to choke out humans with precise powerfull chokes using full strenght, there is no way in hell an average person would ever choke out the dog
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Human all the way people. We can do dirty things like gouge their eyes out with our fingers and shit dogs can't do. Yeah they can bite and it will hurt like hell but once they've got an index finger in their eyeball they will be wimpering in the corner.
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Once a German Sheperd bites your foot it is going to chomp down and thrash about knocking you off balance. Offering your arm takes a hell of a lot more training than what your suggesting since you might not actually be in the correct position to put the other arm around its neck. GS WINS
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Can we post in the op that kicking a large dog who's intent on killing something, square-on in the rib cage with a 10 meter run up doesn't make any difference. This is a fact, I've tried it, and I can kick a soccer ball half a pitch, my strikes have even made people almost pass out trying to stop the ball. The dog didn't even budge with most likely a broken rib cage.
This would invalidate 90% of the posts in this thread lol. "Just kick it, gg, durrr hurrr lol"
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On July 22 2012 00:48 Rakanishu2 wrote:
Dogs are pack hunters, which is exactly why they go for arms and limbs first. Their trying to immobilize the prey so the rest of the pack can catch up and munch the other extremities including the neck. A dog solo is going to latch onto an arm, or leg, it would be rare for the dog to go straight for for your throat.
If it bites your forearm, and you're of sound mind, you could knee that dog so hard in the head that the fight would be over quickly. Seriously the knee can deliver a blow that is just nasty in terms of the damage it can do.
I would say if the human is prepared and has some fight/flight adrenaline, I would say human. If the human runs or is unprepared, dog
All these guys saying you just hit a dog that attacks an arm. You've got what? 60-80 pounds hanging on your arm, biting down with incredible force and shaking and pulling as hard as they can. It's not like you can just swing that shit around, guys. Trying to kick or knee something that is ripping your arm apart isn't as easy as people make it sound, at least that's what i think.
Nor is it easy to get a good neck lock when your own arm is in the way, and if released probably totally unusable.
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Alright guys, after a lot of thought about the strategical side of things in terms of combating dogs, I came to the conclusion that the most efficient method to finish a dog is to use your own teeth. If you manage to find the sweetspot on their neck that is on the epiglotis but not exactly on the neck bone, I can guarantee you that after surviving for 30 more second, you will be hailed as the victor.
But the primary concern is reaching there in the first place. But in reality, the only thing that worries a human is their teeth. So the key here to not go head on with it. Push it away from you and then strike it in the abdominal area.
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if this guy did it, it might
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A friend's mom breeds GS. They are amazing animals, but this comparison is unfair.
A dog bred for strength, and trained to act aggressively is different than a pet. She has Shepherds that aren't allowed around children, and she has some that are docile, and in relatively bad shape.
If you put an average dog against an average human, 'hand-to-hand,' the human would lose. We're not a physically strong species on average, mostly because we don't have to be.
If you put a trained, strong human against a trained, strong dog, it's a toss-up, but I think the human would have a greater chance simply due to combat strategy and size. I've heard stories about dogs 'turning.' There were injuries, but the dogs ended up dead.
Also, we have to keep in mind if we want a real 'species vs species' battle here, the human would win. We are smart to the point where we don't have to be the strongest to be at the top of the food chain. A semi-automatic pistol is enough for the average person to stop a Shepherd unscathed.
They don't have anywhere near an 800lb bite. They are exceptional animals, but so are trained humans. We also have a wonderful intelligence, and opposing thumb that lets us utilize weaponry. You can't really say 'man vs dog' without taking that into account.
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I'm not sure how many people here think they're going to squarely kick a charging dog in the face anyway or even get a hand near the dogs face without your hand getting destroyed. I know from playing with my mutt at home that GS would destroy me if It was trying to kill me and all I had to fight it with were my hands.
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I don't think I've ever seen a dog get "knocked out". Kicking a dog as many times as you want probably won't do jack shit. Even "gouging the eyes" - are you serious? You're going to eye gouge a dog? A dog will fuck up a normal human in this situation.
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