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SoulTakerz
Canada353 Posts
On July 21 2012 13:29 sluggaslamoo wrote: You are an idiot. I was hitting it as hard as I possibly could, if I was fighting for my life I would do the same. You're the idiot if you think hitting a dog is the best way to kill it mate. | ||
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Sinensis
United States2513 Posts
On July 21 2012 13:27 SoulTakerz wrote: You weren't fighting for you life and you didn't want to kill the dog. Uh this dog was killing his dog he was fighting for his dogs life of COURSE he wanted to kill the dog if that's what it took to save his. Damn. | ||
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WhalesFromSpace
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JacobShock
Denmark2485 Posts
On July 21 2012 13:29 sluggaslamoo wrote: You are an idiot. I was hitting it as hard as I possibly could, if I was fighting for my life I would do the same. The actor/comedian Bryan Callen has had some incidents where he's had to seperate his dogs, when they wanted to litterally kill each other. He choked one of em out. Again, I think there are many factors that comes in play, so you can't say for sure who would win in a fight. Cause the outcome would be very different, pending on the individual human or dog. And I doubt any studies will be done on the subject anytime soon lol. But I'm sorry with what happened to your dog, that sounds like a fucked up situation. | ||
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
On July 21 2012 13:31 SoulTakerz wrote: You're the idiot if you think hitting a dog is the best way to kill it mate. When you get a fight or flight response, the last thing you think about, is "what's the best course of action?" You just fucking fight it with whatever you got right there at the time. Well I had nothing, I could have run in and gotten an axe but then my dog might be dead by then, or I could just fight it and hope it lets go. Well I really didn't even think about that anyway, I was just like holy shit and started kicking the shit out of it. If the same thing happened again, I would just grab an axe and chop its head off, because I know that going in with bare hands does jack shit. Just at the time I was too freaked out to think. Also in the OP, no weapons allowed. Just from experience I think that nobody would stand a chance unless they had some sort of weapon. Maybe a border collie would be different. Even then it would be tough I think. Dogs are very submissive to humans usually, which is why I think that humans got such a high vote. You can kick a dog and it will squeal and walk away with its tail between its legs. Seriously if it wasn't for that experience I would have said humans EZ. Not now, once a dog wants to kill something, its like they gain super powers and have adamantium armor. Kick a dog in the face that wants to kill you and it doesn't even phase them, but I've seen people get hurt in a fight and they seem to get mamed much more easily. I think the dog takes it. On July 21 2012 13:38 JacobShock wrote: The actor/comedian Bryan Callen has had some incidents where he's had to seperate his dogs, when they wanted to litterally kill each other. He choked one of em out. Again, I think there are many factors that comes in play, so you can't say for sure who would win in a fight. Cause the outcome would be very different, pending on the individual human or dog. And I doubt any studies will be done on the subject anytime soon lol. But I'm sorry with what happened to your dog, that sounds like a fucked up situation. Thanks  After that situation I started to think how wars must feel. Its kind of pathetic considering it was just two dogs fighting, but once you see the gore of someone you shared a lot of experiences with, it starts to become very real. I guess its good to know what to do next time. My dad told me when it happened, one person grabbed the hind legs, and another grabbed a 2x4 and hit it in the balls continuously for about 10 seconds (I chuckled). Its amazing just the amount of force you need to get a dog to let go. I guess in the OP its about the "average" person though, and I think I fit right in there. | ||
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LilClinkin
Australia667 Posts
A frenzied dog with your limb its its teeth will not let go, it will shred your muscle apart and then start crunching down on your bones. At this weakened state, not many humans are going to make a come-back. | ||
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MrRicewife
Canada515 Posts
On July 21 2012 13:21 sluggaslamoo wrote: I actually have experience "fighting" a dog. Well trying to stop it from fighting another dog. One time a person brought a dog onto our farm, it looked kinda like a cross between a golden retriever and a rottweiler. And it ran out and latched onto my dog, while everyone else was out inspecting so I had to fight it on my own. Eventually my dogs guts went everywhere, and I tried everything beating the crap out of it, grabbing its neck and knee-ing it, it was like trying to fight a brick wall, I couldn't do anything. This went for about 10 minutes. I am a 6ft tall adult, and this was just a large female dog, and I literally felt helpless. I wasn't in the right mind frame to get an axe and try and kill it though, as I thought physical force would be enough. When that dog went to the vet it was apparently "badly damaged", so obviously my attacks did something, but being badly damaged didn't seem to make a hint of difference when that dog was set on killing my dog. There's a difference between hitting a dog when you are its owner, and hitting it when it wants to kill something. When they want to kill, its like they gain super-powers and nothing affects them, dogs are very submissive when you are its owner, you think it would be the same in a fight, its the complete opposite. Seriously try kicking a dog in the face when it wants to kill you, its not gonna do anything and will just rip you apart. shit man thats so sad. two dogs fighting makes the worst sound in the world. honestly, it's so depressing and sad and scary. I hope that dog got help or was put down, because it sounds dangerous to anything if it just charged without warning. I killed a dog once on an indian reserve. I'm an electrician and i was at work throwing up an outside light. All of a sudden this fucking dog runs up charging me and barking and growling. i was terrified, so fucking scary. so i run up the porch hoping to get away from this fucking thing and bam its after me. im really fucking scared here, like seizing up so scared. i had a huge flat blade screwdriver in my tool pouch, so i stabbed it right in the side. it bit me on the arm, and i kicked it right in the fucking head (steel toe boots). it ran about 20 ft out in the field and fell over. fucking piece of shit dog. i am an animal lover, but reserve dogs, they aren't animals. they are demon beasts. and they are wild as fuck. i went straight to the chief after, told him look im sorry but it fucking came after me and im bleeding it bit me etc. he told me they kill these things all the time and they are all wild and crazy. anyway, this thing was kind of a mutt, skinny, underfed so it wasn't exactly a fair fight. Sorry to upset anyone, but this thread is open for these discussions so.. like i said, i love animals. i would be a vet if i could handle putting down puppies and kittens but i cant. i own 6 cats, 2 dogs, 4 ferrets, and i grew up with countless other animals. you name it. i feed and take care of them and love them all. but my safety is more valuable than a stray dog. sorry again if it upsets anyone. | ||
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P7GAB
Canada486 Posts
On July 21 2012 13:49 MrRicewife wrote: shit man thats so sad. two dogs fighting makes the worst sound in the world. honestly, it's so depressing and sad and scary. I hope that dog got help or was put down, because it sounds dangerous to anything if it just charged without warning. I killed a dog once on an indian reserve. I'm an electrician and i was at work throwing up an outside light. All of a sudden this fucking dog runs up charging me and barking and growling. i was terrified, so fucking scary. so i run up the porch hoping to get away from this fucking thing and bam its after me. im really fucking scared here, like seizing up so scared. i had a huge flat blade screwdriver in my tool pouch, so i stabbed it right in the side. it bit me on the arm, and i kicked it right in the fucking head (steel toe boots). it ran about 20 ft out in the field and fell over. fucking piece of shit dog. i am an animal lover, but reserve dogs, they aren't animals. they are demon beasts. and they are wild as fuck. i went straight to the chief after, told him look im sorry but it fucking came after me and im bleeding it bit me etc. he told me they kill these things all the time and they are all wild and crazy. anyway, this thing was kind of a mutt, skinny, underfed so it wasn't exactly a fair fight. Sorry to upset anyone, but this thread is open for these discussions so.. like i said, i love animals. i would be a vet if i could handle putting down puppies and kittens but i cant. i own 6 cats, 2 dogs, 4 ferrets, and i grew up with countless other animals. you name it. i feed and take care of them and love them all. but my safety is more valuable than a stray dog. sorry again if it upsets anyone. thats some crazy shit how bad was the damage to your arm? | ||
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GenesisX
Canada4267 Posts
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
If you're agile to avoid it+strong enough to break its neck, you win. Otherwise dog stomps. | ||
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Proxie
United States90 Posts
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gurrpp
United States437 Posts
On July 21 2012 13:56 GenesisX wrote: You don't even need to read the responses in this thread to come to this conclusion: Dog will win by a longshot. Anyone who thinks a human will win the fight is really deluded or really really insanely strong. Like 400 pound muscle. A quick google search shows that the weight of a german shepherd is between 40 and 90 pounds. As a reasonably fit human, I'm confident I could easily overpower something like that. My choice approach in this situation would be to just kick it to death, however. | ||
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
On July 21 2012 13:49 MrRicewife wrote: shit man thats so sad. two dogs fighting makes the worst sound in the world. honestly, it's so depressing and sad and scary. I hope that dog got help or was put down, because it sounds dangerous to anything if it just charged without warning. I killed a dog once on an indian reserve. I'm an electrician and i was at work throwing up an outside light. All of a sudden this fucking dog runs up charging me and barking and growling. i was terrified, so fucking scary. so i run up the porch hoping to get away from this fucking thing and bam its after me. im really fucking scared here, like seizing up so scared. i had a huge flat blade screwdriver in my tool pouch, so i stabbed it right in the side. it bit me on the arm, and i kicked it right in the fucking head (steel toe boots). it ran about 20 ft out in the field and fell over. fucking piece of shit dog. i am an animal lover, but reserve dogs, they aren't animals. they are demon beasts. and they are wild as fuck. i went straight to the chief after, told him look im sorry but it fucking came after me and im bleeding it bit me etc. he told me they kill these things all the time and they are all wild and crazy. anyway, this thing was kind of a mutt, skinny, underfed so it wasn't exactly a fair fight. Sorry to upset anyone, but this thread is open for these discussions so.. like i said, i love animals. i would be a vet if i could handle putting down puppies and kittens but i cant. i own 6 cats, 2 dogs, 4 ferrets, and i grew up with countless other animals. you name it. i feed and take care of them and love them all. but my safety is more valuable than a stray dog. sorry again if it upsets anyone. That must have been terrifying, I'm glad you are safe. You definitely have a lot of courage working on that site, if that happened to me I probably wouldn't still be working there. I am actually surprised nobody warned you about it, let alone gave you the tools to deal with such a situation. Must have been terrible feeling like you had to fight for your life like that. Even now I make sure that people are with their dog the entire time, and whenever somebody brings a dog, I make sure there is an axe that I can get in a moments notice. Call me paranoid, but that's what happens when you see this shit once. I was bitten on the hand (I managed to pull away so probably no where near as badly as yours) and even when my adrenalin was pumping I yelled, even though I wasn't feeling pain. It wasn't like crashing badly on a bike where you kinda brush it off, it was kind of a reflex. Maybe it alerts others to help, too bad nobody was around. Likewise I couldn't help myself explaining my story simply because this thread just reminded me of it. Its nice to know there are people in a similar boat though. When I went to the doctor she told me never to intervene between two dogs fighting, its like a suicide mission. You don't really think about that when its happening though. She seemed more understanding when I told her my dog died and she was like "was it that serious?". I couldn't help rolling my eyes though lol. The vet who saw our dog (or what was left of it), told us that their dog needed to be destroyed. Only problem was that person disappeared soon after it happened. She then rang us up and told us her dog was taken to the vet and was badly damaged, which kinda rubbed me the wrong way. Iirc she's going to jail for a bit because she has no money now, according to police she was notorious for being shifty, like setting up cattle on other peoples farms when they weren't home, and lodging her money in New Zealand so she could claim bankruptcy at any given notice and possibly a few other benefits. I don't think she intentionally brought her dog to kill our dog though. | ||
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Infernal_dream
United States2359 Posts
On July 21 2012 14:10 gurrpp wrote: A quick google search shows that the weight of a german shepherd is between 40 and 90 pounds. As a reasonably fit human, I'm confident I could easily overpower something like that. My choice approach in this situation would be to just kick it to death, however. Do you know what your kick would do to a 90 lb dog that is set on killing you? Not shit. You might as well kick the wall in hopes of putting a hole in it so you can run away. He's gonna grab your leg while your kicking and rip every fucking muscle in it to shreds. Then when you're on the floor in agony he's gonna maul your face/neck. People need to quit thinking of the docile domesticated animals. We're talking about a dog that literally wants to kill you. Not your pet that runs away when it can see you're angry. | ||
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Flamingo777
United States1190 Posts
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theBALLS
Singapore2935 Posts
On July 21 2012 14:10 gurrpp wrote: A quick google search shows that the weight of a german shepherd is between 40 and 90 pounds. As a reasonably fit human, I'm confident I could easily overpower something like that. My choice approach in this situation would be to just kick it to death, however. How naive. They're used as police dogs for a reason man. They know no fear and the untrained ones go for the kill. You don't even have time to react, you're down. I've worked with K9 unit, btw. | ||
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plogamer
Canada3132 Posts
On July 21 2012 14:20 Infernal_dream wrote: Do you know what your kick would do to a 90 lb dog that is set on killing you? Not shit. You might as well kick the wall in hopes of putting a hole in it so you can run away. He's gonna grab your leg while your kicking and rip every fucking muscle in it to shreds. Then when you're on the floor in agony he's gonna maul your face/neck. People need to quit thinking of the docile domesticated animals. We're talking about a dog that literally wants to kill you. Not your pet that runs away when it can see you're angry. Really depends. You won't feel pain from the dog's bite if you're in a life-or-death situation. Same goes for the dog, that's why people are talking about choking the dog. If you manage to drop the dog on the ground and choke it against the ground with your arms, I think the most a dog can do is use its claws - might cause a lot of damage, but largely non-lethal. | ||
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We Are Here
Australia1810 Posts
On July 21 2012 14:29 plogamer wrote: Dogs have paws, not claws. For the most part the only weapon a dog has is its bite.Really depends. You won't feel pain from the dog's bite if you're in a life-or-death situation. Same goes for the dog, that's why people are talking about choking the dog. If you manage to drop the dog on the ground and choke it against the ground with your arms, I think the most a dog can do is use its claws - might cause a lot of damage, but largely non-lethal. | ||
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RockIronrod
Australia1369 Posts
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heliusx
United States2306 Posts
On July 21 2012 14:47 RockIronrod wrote: I dunno, I'm pretty sure there's nothing a dog can do against a headlock, and a particularly ruthless person who'd have no qualms with gouging eyes and wrenching limbs out of place would do a lot of damage, but it all comes down to whether you can get into position before it rips a chunk of you out. My arms and legs are long as fuck and if I head locked my dog he could literally eat my face if he chose to. He's a boxer. | ||
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