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On July 21 2012 12:57 FakeDeath wrote:
The OP question is so vague.
Human vs Dog??
What type of dog are you talking about?
Human??
Weight???
Generally speaking, if the human knows the weakness,strength and characteristic of the dog and possess the knowledge to beat a dog like exploiting its weakness(neck,nose/etc).Human win.
If human doesn't know and enter panic mode (most of the time),dog wins.
^ German shepherd, read the OP.
You bring up an interesting point though, about human intelligence. I actually think anyone, even while panicking and ignorant to the weaknesses of the dog, would be able to come to their senses and figure things out before the dog killed them.
Edit: Actually, there was a recent Burn Notice episode involving a German shepherd guard dog (iirc) in which Michael Weston seems to suggest that the dog would win. I'll have to go back and check. (For anyone not familiar with Burn Notice, it's a well-researched show, so I would consider it a reliable source).
Edit 2: Yeah, after rewatching, it was a G. shepherd, but according to the narration it did seem beatable. Just that fighting it while trying to get in somewhere wasn't a good idea.
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A smart human would win for sure. And idiot would lose. Dog only has one point of attack: the mouth. They aren't super quick with their lunges, so as long as you don't have the reflexes of a walrus, you should be able to avoid being bitten by simply keeping an eye on its mouth and avoiding that. If you can avoid the first lunge, you can do critical damage by attacking the ribcage of the animal.
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A fully grown german shepherd can be quite large and I could see it go either way, depending on how the dog acts.
I'd go fast kick but if the dog scouts this i'll defend his counter with arm block and try take out his eyes. If the dog goes for my arm then face or knocks me down I'd give the dog the win probably.
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I think a lot of people grossly underestimate dogs. German Shepherds are between 50-90 pounds or so, according to wikipedia they have more force in their bite than a pit bull. Considering the dog's natural behavior when attacking, which is to bite and then shake their head violently from side to side, this is like having a 50 to 100 lb chainsaw attached to your arm/leg/whatever part of you it gets hold of.
Couple this with the fact that the human has nothing equivalent with which to attack the dog, I say the dog wins. As a matter of fact, I don't think there is any animal of close to equivalent size that humans are not ill-equipped to fight without weapons.
Also, for those who have suggested it, a dog in attack mode gives absolutely zero fucks about you hitting it in the head. Their skulls are thick as hell, especially the large breeds such as the one in this scenario. You might have better luck trying what that old guy in Africa did when he was attacked by a leopard, iirc he shoved his arm all the way down its throat and choked it to death.
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On July 21 2012 13:09 Bulldog654 wrote:
I think a lot of people grossly underestimate dogs. German Shepherds are between 50-90 pounds or so, according to wikipedia they have more force in their bite than a pit bull. Considering the dog's natural behavior when attacking, which is to bite and then shake their head violently from side to side, this is like having a 50 to 100 lb chainsaw attached to your arm/leg/whatever part of you it gets hold of.
Couple this with the fact that the human has nothing equivalent with which to attack the dog, I say the dog wins. As a matter of fact, I don't think there is any animal of close to equivalent size that humans are not ill-equipped to fight without weapons.
Also, for those who have suggested it, a dog in attack mode gives absolutely zero fucks about you hitting it in the head. Their skulls are thick as hell, especially the large breeds such as the one in this scenario. You might have better luck trying what that old guy in Africa did when he was attacked by a leopard, iirc he shoved his arm all the way down its throat and choked it to death.
Judging by your name, you are highly biased and all your arguements are thus completely invalid.
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Kick it at across the face when it comes at you. As its movement unstabilizes, and before it uncovers, kick it in the stomach. Then use your knees to pin its body down while use your fist to punch the temple area until it loses conscience.
gg no re.
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99% of the people on TL would get smoked in seconds by that dog. I'm not saying a human could not win but yeah... People have no clue whatsoever about the speed/strenght/resilience of a german shepherd. It wouldn't be pretty to see.
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I think the dog would nail most ordinary non-secret-agent class citizens. I personally hate / am afraid of dogs though, so that might be a bit of bias 
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I think people are really underestimating how strong a German Shepard is and the pain it can take. One kick to it's head isn't going to do shit to this dog. It wants to kill you. You kick it once then you're fucked. You're on one leg trying to pull the other back and it's going to rip your face off. This isn't some medium sized wimp dog. These things are used by law enforcement for a reason. I have a 4 month old one and even when we play and he bites a little too hard i can tell he would be able to rip muscle from the bone if he wanted to.
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On July 21 2012 13:12 Xiphos wrote:
Kick it at across the face when it comes at you. As its movement unstabilizes, and before it uncovers, kick it in the stomach. Then use your knees to pin its body down while use your fist to punch the temple area until it loses conscience.
gg no re.
Dog bites meaty calf and tears it off, you are in shock from blood loss and adrenaline, dog eats neck.
gg no re.
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FYI, real world experience. If you place your hand in a dogs mouth to the very rear, or just grab his tounge there is no more fight, the dogs jaw cannot close around your hand. This is a german shepard we're talking about. Also works if they try to bite off your shoe and you stand on thier jaw.
No this is not a pleasant post but the people who think a dog would win are only talking about a stupid human or completely physically incapable one.
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Human has it easy, the dog can only attack with biting, keep distance with kicks in the face/etc. so that it can't get your neck. If it bites your leg then go for the eyes.
Oh and don't forget to yell an offensive "GG!!!!!", bm is part of the plan.
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I actually have experience "fighting" a dog. Well trying to stop it from fighting another dog.
One time a person brought a dog onto our farm, it looked kinda like a cross between a golden retriever and a rottweiler. And it ran out and latched onto my dog, while everyone else was out inspecting so I had to fight it on my own.
Eventually my dogs guts went everywhere, and I tried everything beating the crap out of it, grabbing its neck and knee-ing it, it was like trying to fight a brick wall, I couldn't do anything. This went for about 10 minutes. I am a 6ft tall adult, and this was just a large female dog, and I literally felt helpless. I wasn't in the right mind frame to get an axe and try and kill it though, as I thought physical force would be enough.
When that dog went to the vet it was apparently "badly damaged", so obviously my attacks did something, but being badly damaged didn't seem to make a hint of difference when that dog was set on killing my dog.
There's a difference between hitting a dog when you are its owner, and hitting it when it wants to kill something. When they want to kill, its like they gain super-powers and nothing affects them, dogs are very submissive when you are its owner, you think it would be the same in a fight, its the complete opposite.
Seriously try kicking a dog in the face when it wants to kill you, its not gonna do anything and will just rip you apart.
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I think I'd be more afraid of a wild wolf than a German shepherd.
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On July 21 2012 13:18 Syracuse wrote:
FYI, real world experience. If you place your hand in a dogs mouth to the very rear, or just grab his tounge there is no more fight, the dogs jaw cannot close around your hand. This is a german shepard we're talking about. Also works if they try to bite off your shoe and you stand on thier jaw.
No this is not a pleasant post but the people who think a dog would win are only talking about a stupid human or completely physically incapable one.
It's not going to be that easy.. the dog would mangle your hand before you get anywhere near his tongue, i'd be keeping my fingers well clear of his teeth.
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On July 21 2012 13:21 sluggaslamoo wrote:
I actually have experience "fighting" a dog. Well trying to stop it from fighting another dog.
One time a person brought a dog onto our farm, it looked kinda like a cross between a golden retriever and a rottweiler. And it ran out and latched onto my dog, while everyone else was out inspecting so I had to fight it on my own.
Eventually my dogs guts went everywhere, and I tried everything beating the crap out of it, grabbing its neck and knee-ing it, it was like trying to fight a brick wall, I couldn't do anything. This went for about 10 minutes. I am a 6ft tall adult, and this was just a large female dog, and I literally felt helpless. I wasn't in the right mind frame to get an axe and try and kill it though, as I thought physical force would be enough.
When that dog went to the vet it was apparently "badly damaged", so obviously my attacks did something, but being badly damaged didn't seem to make a hint of difference when that dog was set on killing my dog.
You weren't fighting for you life and you didn't want to kill the dog.
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Dogs jaws are more powerful than most people realise. Especially those of a German Shepard. My moneys on the dog, unless someone is a powerlifter or a professional fighter.
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A dog would win ofc one on one. But humans don't fight fair. We have a brain. We can pick up a stick and win ez pz. or a rock. or set up a trap. or build a society where you can buy an automatic assault rifle and shoot the fucking thing into dust.
One of one - evolution favors the dog in fighting obviously. (talking about a wild dog here, not a domesticated poodle or something)
edit: chimpanzee vs dog? (straight up evolution fight, no intellect) chimpanzee would pwn all day, everyday.
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This entire discussion is absurd, most humans could easily overtake a domesticated german sheppard by playing on it's trusting feeble brain, a feral one however would destroy 99% of all humans in the example given in the OP.
There is no question that dogs are better at unarmed combat, that's one of the main purposes they where bred for and one of the major factors for it's evolution before humans started breeding them to the various points we see them at today.
Humans evolutionary strength comes from brains, in combination with hands to apply them with and the ability to run for large amounts of time, none of these can be applied in the given scenario unless you where to get prior instruction on how exactly to take down an animal like that.
I might be taking this all a bit too seriously.
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On July 21 2012 13:27 SoulTakerz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 13:21 sluggaslamoo wrote:
I actually have experience "fighting" a dog. Well trying to stop it from fighting another dog.
One time a person brought a dog onto our farm, it looked kinda like a cross between a golden retriever and a rottweiler. And it ran out and latched onto my dog, while everyone else was out inspecting so I had to fight it on my own.
Eventually my dogs guts went everywhere, and I tried everything beating the crap out of it, grabbing its neck and knee-ing it, it was like trying to fight a brick wall, I couldn't do anything. This went for about 10 minutes. I am a 6ft tall adult, and this was just a large female dog, and I literally felt helpless. I wasn't in the right mind frame to get an axe and try and kill it though, as I thought physical force would be enough.
When that dog went to the vet it was apparently "badly damaged", so obviously my attacks did something, but being badly damaged didn't seem to make a hint of difference when that dog was set on killing my dog. You weren't fighting for you life and you didn't want to kill the dog.
You are an idiot. I was hitting it as hard as I possibly could, if I was fighting for my life I would do the same.
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