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Funchucks
Canada2113 Posts
If it was a 100 lb. dog, and a flabby 150 lb. man, I would bet on the dog. True, dogs are predators. But dogs are also pack hunters. They're not terribly effective at solo fighting. Pound for pound, I'd say the dog has the advantage, but the weight difference between a man and a dog is normally large. | ||
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T-P-S
United States204 Posts
On May 26 2008 14:38 Belial- wrote: Well, first off, kicking at a dog is most likely just going to get your leg bitten, then it can easily pull you on the ground since you only have one leg for balance. Second, who said anything about letting the dog hang off your arm? Why don't you go back and read the strategy I laid out. Basically you let it bite your arm then you position it between yourself and the walls in this imaginary room. "I haven't had enough experience with the pain-deadening effects of adrenaline, I guess..." Or, you just have a low pain threshold, or you underestimate how much you can take in a LIFE OR DEATH SITUATION. Somebody already said on this page what I assume would happen. Chances are, you won't have much of a 'strategy' left when the dog comes hurtling across the room with the intent to maul you to death. It doesn't really matter what is likely in a hypothetical situation like this, I'd take a first-hand account of a person who has fought off a dog over just about any argument you would give me. It feels like people are completely misunderstanding what goes on in a situation like this. The idea that adrenaline would let you ignore the pain in order to carry out your strategy is ridiculous. Isn't one of the primary results of adrenaline release a 'fight or flight' panic? I doubt that you could keep a complex plan together while both under the effects of adrenaline and while being attacked by a reasonably-sized dog. EDIT: Previous page, now | ||
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Funchucks
Canada2113 Posts
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Lemonwalrus
United States5465 Posts
On May 26 2008 15:44 Funchucks wrote: Ultimate tactic: tell him, "SIT!" then, "LIE DOWN!" then, "STAY!" then go find a rock or a stick to brain him with. HAHAHAHA that is so bad. Edit: I wonder if yelling a command would slow it enough to grab some advantage though? | ||
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TeNken.1
United States226 Posts
On May 26 2008 15:44 Funchucks wrote: ...then go find a rock or a stick to brain him with. hahaha...i don't know why this is so funny... | ||
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MaReK
Australia446 Posts
I believe that an average human would win most of the time, due to reasons like weight, being smarter etc. Ofcoarse the human would need medical attention immediately after the fight to not bleed out but it would beat the dog. | ||
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XCetron
5226 Posts
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Funchucks
Canada2113 Posts
On May 26 2008 15:46 Lemonwalrus wrote: HAHAHAHA that is so bad. Edit: I wonder if yelling a command would slow it enough to grab some advantage though? If you're ever really threatened by a dog, this is seriously the first thing you should try. Submission to humans is bred right into dogs. Even feral dogs can back down from a human with a calm, assertive attitude. About the worst thing is a half-wolf. Sometimes, when the genes get shuffled, you end up with something that's neither submissive to humans, like a dog, nor afraid of humans, like a wolf. Thing not to try: putting your hand to the ground. Instinctively knowing about rock-throwing has been... uh... unintentionally selected into dogs. It can prompt them to charge. | ||
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gusbear
333 Posts
some funny quotes from http://listverse.com/nature/top-10-badass-guard-dogs/ According to the US Centers for Disease Control, the Doberman Pinscher is less frequently involved in attacks on humans resulting in fatalities than several other dog breeds such as pit bulls, because they can be trained to restrain an unwelcome intruder but not kill him. 114. Boerboel - May 17th, 2008 at 6:46 am We use to have a Boerboel but a burgler broke in our house and the dog killed the burgler and the police took our dog  | ||
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Spike
United States1392 Posts
what is the "average" male? not just size and strength, but also mentality. as i've stated, why does everyone assume that the dog is some crazy, aggressive monster. too many people are assuming that the dog is some kind of Alpha dog while the man is an Omega wimp. dogs are similar to humans in that not all are Alpha males; the average dog is not going to attack humans, let alone adults, unless provoked or trained. lets not forget that dogs have been bred to be submissive to humans for thousands of years, even german shepards. rereading the OP, it seems that the dog is somewhat trained because it is set on attacking the human (whether it was starved, abused, or w/e) i'll concede that if it was an overly aggressive dog against an unsuspecting bystander, i'd give it to the dog. however, people are forgetting that the man is also dead set on killing the dog. | ||
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Zortch
Canada635 Posts
i hate to burst your bubbles guys but i have had about 7 years of on again off again martial arts training. that said, i've killed a pit bull that attacked me one time like it was the easiest thing in the world. i was waiting at a bus stop and the first sign that anything was wrong was when my calf muscle attempted to seperate itself from my leg. i looked down and there was a white pit bull on his hind legs shaking and jerking back and forth with my calf muscle between his jaws. without thinking, i reached down, grabbed him by the collar and promptly swung him over my head back-first into a telephone pole that was about 3 inches to my left. his back broke instantly, and less than a second after the pooch hit the ground the bus pulled up and i got on as quick as i could while the owner of the dog screamed at me. my leg was fine, just bruised like crazy. http://www.penciljack.com/forum/showthread.php?s=15d329ef57f8b969bf020b04312fb4c4&t=67260&page=3 | ||
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Kong John
Denmark1020 Posts
??? Profit! ez. person. | ||
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mahnini
United States6862 Posts
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shavingcream66
United States1219 Posts
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Tinithor
United States1552 Posts
The premises hear is average dog vs average human in a cage duking it out to the death. Now you guys are just asuming that the guy is gonna get caught totally off gaurd when the dog charges and just lay there to die and be over come by pain after the first bite. No. Don't underestimate the power of adrenaline, when you know that you have to do something or you are gonna die the average human will go ape shit, they get alot stronger and are less affected by pain. I'd say that this affect would easily last long enough for the human to get on top of the dog, and stomp, choke, gouge, and break the dog to death. Thats all asuming that the human isnt ready for the dogs initial charge in the first place, dosent dodge it, kick it, or smash the dog in the face before it can do anything. Also a human could easily use the forward momentum of the dog to the human's advantage by turning around after the dog latched on and landed on top of the dog and then used the elbow to crush the dog's throat. You guys are all giving the dogs way too much credit | ||
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Spike
United States1392 Posts
the average man may not win all the time but are you guys telling me that he has no chance at killing a dog? don't see how you do not give the edge to humans here. | ||
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Physician
United States4146 Posts
On May 26 2008 16:20 Zortch wrote: i looked down and there was a white pit bull on his hind legs (?) shaking and jerking back and forth with my calf muscle (?) between his jaws !. without thinking, i reached down, grabbed him by the collar and promptly swung him over my head back-first into a telephone pole that was about 3 inches to my left. his back broke instantly.. ..and i got on as quick as i could while the owner of the dog screamed at me. my leg was fine, just bruised like crazy. - u looked down to notice? any pain? unless u were wearing chain mail, your legs were so long he had to stand on his hind legs to get your calf & you can pry off a pit bull (they are renown not to let go once they have u in their jaw clasp..) I'd say your nose just grew.. lol - anyway at least this thread is flushing out all the dog, boar and bear martial art badasses.. | ||
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Polyphasic
United States841 Posts
On May 26 2008 09:29 Funchucks wrote: If you're punching a dog, you're doing it wrong. Dogs are for kicking. Go for the ribs. They'll break right in. The soft belly's good, too. Wide, sweeping kicks will rarely miss. Don't worry about hitting him with your foot. The shin or the knee is fine too. Don't forget that stomping is also a form of kicking. That's really the best finisher. Don't be in a rush to finish him off quickly. Put enough deep bruises in him, and he'll slow right down. Without worrying about vulnerable areas, he'll die eventually if you just keep smashing his body. About the mouth: the strong bite is only at the back. If you grab his jaws at the front, you have the mechanical advantage, and you can just pull them apart to break them. Go ahead, get a foot in there, or use your knee. a swift kick in the groin area might do it too. | ||
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Lemonwalrus
United States5465 Posts
On May 26 2008 16:36 Spike wrote: seriously though, people have fought off way bigger and stronger things than dogs. the average man may not win all the time but are you guys telling me that he has no chance at killing a dog? don't see how you do not give the edge to humans here. Fought off =/= Kill | ||
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GinNtoniC
Sweden2945 Posts
It's usually a good reflex in every-day situations, but isn't designed to cope with enemies shoving things down your throat. Of course if they bit off the arm they would be able to breathe, but they can't control that reflex, just as we can't control the reflex of pulling our hand away when we burn it on something hot (unless we are totally prepared for it coming and put 100% focus into enduring the pain and not bulging). Point is, if you're attacked by a dog there are 2 main defenses, the first being to decisively shove something into the dogs mouth and keep pushing down/into the throat. The dog will choke and won't (because of said reflex) be able to bite down on it. The other alternative is, as some people have mentioned, to try and get a headlock, preferably from behind, and just squeeze for all you're worth until the dog lies still. Whether this reflex goes for all dog races I don't know, I've been taught this about attacking dogs in general. probably should mention im not pulling above things out of my ass, actually more like accumulated knowledge from brief military training and anatomy studies (student physiotherapist) | ||
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