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Jolle
Norway185 Posts
I came over this keyboard, omg look at the "macro" keys to the left. Don't know if I can buy this. It's like cheating... http://www.everythingusb.com/logitech_g15_gaming_keyboard.html OMG wtf... ![[image loading]](http://www.everythingusb.com/images/list/logitechg15programkeys.jpg) Also would like recommendations on other keyboards if anyone have strong opinions about it. I have small hands and looking for a "tight" and soft keyboard... | ||
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il0seonpurpose
Korea (South)5638 Posts
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omgbnetsux
United States3749 Posts
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On April 09 2008 05:47 il0seonpurpose wrote: How would those help your macro? you can generally set them up to do a sequence of keyboard commands it wouldnt help for 1a2a3a4a5a6a7a etc, but it would help you never miss scvs, since you could have that happen with one key...I dont know, I dont think its worth it if you ever want to get good at the game | ||
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NrG.Bamboo
United States2756 Posts
On April 09 2008 05:47 il0seonpurpose wrote: How would those help your macro? Afaik you can program the keys to have like 8p9p0p or 5sh6sh7sh8sh in one click? At least thats what I had overheard other people saying about it :p. | ||
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Jolle
Norway185 Posts
 )aslo G13/G14/G17 as nexus and G16 as P. Or as other mentioned here as it's programmable keys.. scripted sequences... | ||
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Tropics
United Kingdom1132 Posts
It's also a goddamn awesome keyboard. | ||
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bustaBust
Canada469 Posts
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zobz
Canada2175 Posts
On April 09 2008 05:51 Jolle wrote: That would be cheating depending on your definition of the rules. It would give you an unfair advantage over most people who don't have such a keyboard. Even though those keys don't appear that easy to reachwell it's not cheating, but having the G1-G9 or whatever as buildings and G15/G16 as D/Z as protoss hotkeys would be much faster and more accurate.... (atleast for me )aslo G13/G14/G17 as nexus and G16 as P. Or as other mentioned here as it's programmable keys.. scripted sequences... | ||
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Jolle
Norway185 Posts
On April 09 2008 05:57 bustaBust wrote: I have a G15, i prefer using the normal hotkeys (number keys). I don't think macros would make a huge differrence, after all it takes more than a lil macro to win a game. How are the keys? soft, hard? have to push the buttons down far? | ||
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Leath
Canada1724 Posts
I never found a problem in building the units myself. Pressing 4z5z6z7z is pretty fast manually. As you move to late game and you get tons of gates, and your units start overlapping your gateway selections your macro key is almost obsolete. Plus, you never know which unit you will need the most. Are they gonna be zealots? Dt? Ht? Dragoon? A mix of each? Honestly, I find that a macro key can be more trouble than good. Unless you can save mouse clicks as well lol =) Then you could save the famous 1a2a3a4a5a6a7a8a9a0a :D | ||
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Jolle
Norway185 Posts
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Chill
Calgary25979 Posts
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Jolle
Norway185 Posts
On April 09 2008 06:06 Chill wrote: It's 100% cheating. If ur not ironic, I agree lol | ||
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ketomai
United States2789 Posts
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Jolle
Norway185 Posts
Two differences here tho, just single binding keys and scripted sequences | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
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Nitrogen
United States5345 Posts
I have an alt f4 macro. And a 1a2a3a4a (can't go past that many buttons) | ||
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CuddlyCuteKitten
Sweden2589 Posts
I imagine having 0sz9sz8sz7sz6sz and the same thing for mutas/drones would be pretty awesome. | ||
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ProTech_MediC
United States498 Posts
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Warbux
47 Posts
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CuddlyCuteKitten
Sweden2589 Posts
I imagine it's more usefull for zerg since your units won't que up if you hit it before the first one is finished. It would probably suck quite a lot for the other races. It probably is cheating and it's probably a third part program anyway. | ||
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Jolle
Norway185 Posts
ofcourse I screwed up that one | ||
mikeymoo
Canada7170 Posts
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beefhamburger
United States3962 Posts
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Tusk
Canada427 Posts
On April 09 2008 06:14 fusionsdf wrote: that said, if I had it I would totally use it for 1a2a3a4a5a6a7a8a9a spam in the lobby to try and scare my opponent :D Excellent idea. | ||
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annYong
Canada3 Posts
Anyone who can afford SC and a decent internet can afford one of these, since it's accessible to everyone, it's not cheating anymore than using the left side of your keyboard | ||
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SonuvBob
Aiur21549 Posts
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SteelString
446 Posts
On April 09 2008 05:46 Jolle wrote: I'm planing to buy a new keyboard cause I want softer keys for my macro. I came over this keyboard, omg look at the "macro" keys to the left. Don't know if I can buy this. It's like cheating... http://www.everythingusb.com/logitech_g15_gaming_keyboard.html OMG wtf... Also would like recommendations on other keyboards if anyone have strong opinions about it. I have small hands and looking for a "tight" and soft keyboard... I have the G11 which has the same layout; the G keys are really too much of a hassle to set up to bother with. Half the time the command is laggy and sometimes it doesn't work at all. You have to go into a stupid little program with predefined games, and though Starcraft was in there, I could not for the life of me make the stupid thing work for it. Anyways, I'd be very surprised if any progamer actually used the G keys. Edit: I really like the keyboard more for the light-up keys:D | ||
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thunk
United States6233 Posts
I hate that keyboard because the macro keys interfere with using the ctrl key. But if I did, I'd hotkey all of them to p so I would press three and slam my hand down on all 15 keys and that damn probe better be build without so much as a sniffle. | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
This is exactly what my friend used to do when he played Starcraft. He also set it to spam 12313123132 ingame so that his APM went up to 40000. | ||
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ShadowDrgn
United States2497 Posts
The problems with trying to use the macro keys are: 1) You have to build in delay for latency 2) You can't do anything else while the macro is running So yes, you can make a 6sz7sz8sz9sz0sz macro, but it's going to take at least a full second to run on lan latency. If you really need to move your stack of mutas during that second, you're probably screwed - you can't just stop it at 7. Of course it's also a waste of time if you only have 2-3 hatcheries or if you want to produce different units at each hatchery. The macro keys might help you a little sometimes or hurt you sometimes; it's not worth trying to use them imo. You'll develop bad habits, won't be able to play on a normal keyboard, and some people think it's cheating anyway. The G15 is a solid keyboard though. I like mine, although it did take a bit of getting used to the extra rows of keys. I kept hitting the G-keys instead of ctrl or esc when I first got it, which was pretty annoying. The keys aren't particularly hard or soft -- they're average. | ||
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Wizard
Poland5055 Posts
On April 09 2008 06:06 Chill wrote: It's 100% cheating. | ||
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Motiva
United States1774 Posts
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knyttym
United States5797 Posts
On April 09 2008 05:46 Jolle wrote: I'm planing to buy a new keyboard cause I want softer keys for my macro. I came over this keyboard, omg look at the "macro" keys to the left. Don't know if I can buy this. It's like cheating... http://www.everythingusb.com/logitech_g15_gaming_keyboard.html OMG wtf... Also would like recommendations on other keyboards if anyone have strong opinions about it. I have small hands and looking for a "tight" and soft keyboard... just don't use the G keys if you like that specific keyboard. For recommendations, how about a saitek keyboard. I tried out the eclipse keyboard and its pretty cool | ||
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blind3x3
United States49 Posts
macro in this sense means hitting one button to do a sequence of buttons, like hit g1 to do 4d5d6d7d8d9d0d to make 6 dragoons from 6 gateways or sumthing | ||
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ktp
United States797 Posts
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mikeymoo
Canada7170 Posts
On April 09 2008 13:08 ktp wrote: It's not cheating because it won't help with your macro at all. Those keyboards are designed for games with shitty key binding features like MMORPGS. You don't need them for Blizzard games because they allow you access everything in game through hotkeys on a regular keyboard. Yes it is. I own one of these. You can change "G1" to type "0sd9sd8so7sh6sh5sh4sh3sh2sz1sz(enter)haha you suck(enter)" I don't play zerg. Just trying to prove a point. | ||
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exalted
United States3612 Posts
What I did find invaluable, were: o The extra USB slots that come out of the keyboard, especially handy when connecting the keyboard to a laptop (when used with an external monitor) o The cool glow of the blue backlit keys (especially in the dark) o The volume control wheel, which can easily set volume levels while playing Starcraft, etc. | ||
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mikeymoo
Canada7170 Posts
Yes the blue keys ROCK. | ||
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IzzyCraft
United States4487 Posts
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IzzyCraft
United States4487 Posts
On April 09 2008 08:42 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: This is exactly what my friend used to do when he played Starcraft. He also set it to spam 12313123132 ingame so that his APM went up to 40000. Actully i just tired something lol you get temp banned if you spam it fast enough around 3000-4000 apm for a few seconds gets to flooding banned lul | ||
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Ancestral
United States3230 Posts
On April 09 2008 13:21 IzzyCraft wrote: Actully i just tired something lol you get temp banned if you spam it fast enough around 3000-4000 apm for a few seconds gets to flooding banned lul Holding down 1 in single player comes nowhere close to APM that fast. Are you talking about the lobby? Or can you really go that high even with BNet latency? Because I don't think you can, though I am not certain. Now I know pointing out errors is foolish on the tubes, but since you did it... Sarcasm is a form of verbal irony. | ||
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IzzyCraft
United States4487 Posts
On April 09 2008 13:31 Ancestral wrote: Holding down 1 in single player comes nowhere close to APM that fast. Are you talking about the lobby? Or can you really go that high even with BNet latency? Because I don't think you can, though I am not certain. and it was 300000-400000* with 1-0 with a no delay 1234567890 between keys Yeah 1 - 0 spam on the keyboard in a loop gets you around there atlest according to bwchart so i assumed it all regestered | ||
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Excalibur_Z
United States12235 Posts
On April 09 2008 13:12 exalted wrote: I own a Logitech G15 as well, and I have never used the function keys at all. I did get them for the mini LCD screen, which is marginally useful as it can easily display the computer time and usage. What I did find invaluable, were: o The extra USB slots that come out of the keyboard, especially handy when connecting the keyboard to a laptop (when used with an external monitor) o The cool glow of the blue backlit keys (especially in the dark) o The volume control wheel, which can easily set volume levels while playing Starcraft, etc. I was going to post this but I can't think of anything more to add. These are the real reasons to buy a G15. The LCD can also be used with certain games. For example in WoW it can show you character stats, durability %, # bag slots free, but coolest of all it can show you when your queue has popped for an arena or battleground match when you're alt-tabbed out. The volume wheel is really cool and is a feature I use a lot more than I thought I would. | ||
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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
1. Ray's Winamp plugin - you can see the playlist, a nice little equalizer, set up the wave/master/winamp volume, as well as make the keys light up to the music (fun but kinda gay) 2. Miranda plug-in - for those who don't know, miranda is an IM application that covers IRC/Y!/MSN/AOL, etc. You can see the chat windows on the screen and even type in them from within any application (yes, starcraft too). But I don't use Miranda anymore so it's kinda useless 3. Net graph - I like this because you can quick-peak at total upload/download speed. etc. As for starcraft, I got the 1a2a3a4a5a to work in about .25 of a second (all of it), on any type of latency, it's just about setting the in-between delay right. However, I couldn't get used to actually pressing the button. 1a2a3a4a5a is just natural. So that's kinda pointless. Setting them as 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-0 and using them for hotkeys is not cheating. Who cares where your 1234567890 buttons are? It's still the same amount of work to do. The ONLY useful setting I'm using for starcraft is F10 o n l enter. I played this buttcavity on ICCup a while ago that was constantly setting it to extra high in TvP and i lost tons of army because of lack of micro. So I binded the set to low on one key. That's the only feature I use for SC. Apart from that the buttons are useful in windows for running crap, saving passwords and such. Also I have the DotA inventory binded on them. Way better than using dota-keys. Oh, and the application isn't that crappy, since it changes binds for each specific program you run. If you can't get your stuff to work on it, then you just haven't tried too hard, SteelString. | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17726 Posts
On April 09 2008 06:34 Nitrogen23 wrote: I can put macros on some of the buttons on my mouse :D I have an alt f4 macro. And a 1a2a3a4a (can't go past that many buttons) :Has left the game | ||
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ktp
United States797 Posts
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Narrator
United States868 Posts
The keyboard is really big and has a lot of extra useless stuff on it. I think that the only thing nice about it are the keys and the lights inside the keys. Really helpful for playing/typing in the dark. | ||
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
On April 09 2008 14:59 ktp wrote: If you guys have enough minerals to go through an entire string of 1sd2sd3sd4sd without either running out of minerals or having to perform another action (micro, upgrades, etc.), then you suck at Starcraft to begin with. There is not real application for a G15 in SC unless you just play BGH and wait for 5k 5k. Then you press your cool macro to build 10 battlecruisers at under .5 seconds from your Starports. Congrats you cheater. Yeah it's pretty hard to build from 4 production factories without running out of money. It usually takes sooooo long too. | ||
GTR
51426 Posts
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scDeluX
Canada1341 Posts
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alphablend
647 Posts
I own 5 of these, there used to just be a PS2 version but I contacted Logitech and convinced them to make USB versions of the keyboard without the key limitation imposed on the PS2 keyboard form factor. ![[image loading]](http://www.logitech.com/repository/454/jpg/3582.1.0.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.sk.co.yu/2004/03/sktd09.velika.jpg) Make sure to get the USB version http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823126022&Tpk=ultrax Also I remapped all my keys to match the on screen 3x3 grid Example -- Press z for stim pack -- Press Q to build an SCV Probe or zealot because they are in the first "slot" ![[image loading]](http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/5786/mappingou5.jpg) I have done many other interesting things over the years but I doubt any one cares. Do you guys think that is cheating? Remapping the keys? Edit -- And to answer the question, yes it is cheating to use any type of macro IMO. You might as well use an multicommand. | ||
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scDeluX
Canada1341 Posts
As long as one key does one action .... | ||
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useLess
United States4781 Posts
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alphablend
647 Posts
On April 10 2008 08:32 useLess wrote: Cheating would imply that it helps you, but imo using this computer will hurt your play. Sure, one can rely on one button to do so macro, but what happens when that button isnt there anymore (ie different keyboard)? You are completely missing the point. How is it even an argument that at some point the button won't be there? Are you just going to lose the keyboard? I don't understand. On April 10 2008 08:30 [Z]-NhaT wrote: I don't think remapping the key since different version of SC uses different key. Some are better than others...i think German is very painful. French is too since s is for overloard and m is for build etc... As long as one key does one action .... Yes, that is the same conclusion I came to in my mind before modifying the MPQ | ||
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.MistiK
Netherlands347 Posts
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Scaramanga
Australia8090 Posts
On April 09 2008 05:54 Tropics wrote: I have a g15, and I haven't touched those keys for SC. They're useless. It's the sort of thing you go "oh wow, they'll be really helpful!" then never use them. The only thing I use them for is buying equipment in counterstrike. It's also a goddamn awesome keyboard. Exactly right | ||
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NotSupporting
Sweden1998 Posts
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bustaBust
Canada469 Posts
On April 09 2008 06:01 Jolle wrote: How are the keys? soft, hard? have to push the buttons down far? Its like typing on a cloud. One of my friends got it and i tried it out and decided to get it, as did 4 other of our friends. The keys are soft to push down but they have a very responsive feel and snap right back up. The buttons dont go down as far as the really old keyboards, everything is a lil smaller so that you can easily reach more keys. But if your looking for a laptop type buttons its not like that. Its very good for gaming, I just bought my second one (I broke my first by plugging it in to soon after spilling on it, like 3hrs. If you unplug it immediately and wait 24 hours with it upside down its IMPOSSIBLE to break by spilling. I've already spilled a full glass of water on my second one and its fine, and my first G15 survived 2 other big spills.). The buttons get worked in after a while (i had my first one for about 2 yrs) but you wont notice it unless you try a brand new 1 again. I highly recommend the G15. | ||
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Piste
6174 Posts
On April 09 2008 06:06 Chill wrote: It's 100% cheating. true | ||
Chosi
Germany1302 Posts
I made a suggestion for a *really* useful feature for the G15. You could make an applet that uses the display to teach you buildorders (shows when to build what) and warns you (mutas/dts could come in X seconds, build ebay). Sure, this would be cheating, but for training purposes it would be okay i think. | ||
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liosama
Australia843 Posts
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TheDarKo
Sweden109 Posts
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Lisk
Latvia376 Posts
Also, LOGITECH ULTRA-X keyboard FTW. | ||
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GinNtoniC
Sweden2945 Posts
But using them for Starcraft? no, I tried that as well but the only useful macro I have is one to make interceptors for carriers and... that's about it. | ||
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noobienoob
United States1173 Posts
 edit: the only macros I have for SC are for spamming stuff before the game starts  I honestly think depending on macros for SC would just be a hassle, and I'd rather just play normally :X and for the games I DO want to use macros on, Gamegaurd prevents me from using it lol  | ||
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o3.power91
Bahrain5288 Posts
On April 09 2008 06:06 Chill wrote: It's 100% cheating. | ||
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InRaged
1047 Posts
On April 09 2008 08:21 SonuvBob wrote: Anyone can afford an $80 keyboard? You can get a whole computer that can run SC for less than that. Imagine how it feels to drop a cup of tea on it Also, if you own it, don't you ever attempt to dismantle it - chances are, you won't be able to connect display properly >_> Though, using macro keys for shortcuts is pretty neat feature. You can bind "teamliquid.net" to g1, your favorite winamp playlist to g2 and starcraft.exe to g3, and basically start your every day with g1-g2-g3 | ||
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noobienoob
United States1173 Posts
On April 09 2008 08:21 SonuvBob wrote: btw dunno if this has been mentioned yet but you can get the G11 for like $50 or less depending on where you go, and it's pretty much the EXACT same keyboard as the G15 only without the (imo) completely useless LCD screen. It's literally the exact same keyboard with the exact same functions, only cheaper.Anyone can afford an $80 keyboard? You can get a whole computer that can run SC for less than that. | ||
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InfeSteD
United States4658 Posts
IT wouldn't be as fun if you ever mastered them... its cheating | ||
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