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Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11340 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-01-20 23:58:30
January 20 2025 22:56 GMT
#1021
(it's possible I am confusing people with hammers and it was Falling who said that, but the point stands that Musk could offer you enough money that you would lube up, and let him do his thing)


This does not even remotely sound like anything I have or ever will post.

My critique of Elon so far has been limited to him exhibiting needy poser behaviours with the video game stuff. I will add Sieg Hiel salutes as further evidence that the man is not right. He is a rich fool at best.
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland24813 Posts
January 20 2025 22:57 GMT
#1022
On January 21 2025 05:57 Simberto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2025 05:36 WombaT wrote:
On January 21 2025 04:38 Acrofales wrote:
On January 21 2025 04:16 Simberto wrote:
On January 21 2025 03:26 KwarK wrote:
On January 21 2025 03:07 Acrofales wrote:
On January 21 2025 02:57 KwarK wrote:
On January 21 2025 02:32 Timebon3s wrote:
I see our boy Elon is present at the presidential inauguration. A true loser indeed.

Unironically yes. You couldn’t pay me to attend.

So Musk could pay you to bumfuck you, but couldn't pay you to attend Trump's inauguration? Despite you being a card carrying republican and all?

(it's possible I am confusing people with hammers and it was Falling who said that, but the point stands that Musk could offer you enough money that you would lube up, and let him do his thing)

weird post my guy


I think he is referencing a discussion i had with WombaT a few pages back (page 43) about exactly how much power billions of dollars give you.

But he managed to get all of the people involved wrong.

I knew it was wombat. I thought it was someone with a red hammer suggesting the power Musk amounts of money could buy. But I guess it wasn't a red hammer

Falling or micronesia iirc? For whatever reason I cannot recall whomst it was, but I can recall it definitely wasn’t Kwark for whatever reason.


I am pretty sure i don't have a hammer. I assume i would have been told.

Edit: Also, Musk was apparently doing a Nazi salute at the inauguration.

Indeed, although for me it’s not really a big deal at all in the wider scheme of things.

It’s either him doing his chief cringe shitposter shtick, or a real ‘fuck you if youre gonna call us Nazis watch this’

It’s the stuff he actually does, or positions he’s serious on that worry me.

Indeed it may be a positive thing as it seems to be grabbing a ton of negative attention. People for whom Musk generally isn’t on their radar, or a segment of the ‘I’m sticking my fingers in my ears I can’t hear you’ crowd, well Sieg Heiling at a Presidential Inauguration punches pretty damn deep in terms of media penetration.
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stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2747 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-01-20 23:36:23
January 20 2025 23:30 GMT
#1023
Nice oath of the horatii /s

The fact there are so many people fans of this guy says all about the sad state of humanity, do his fans really believe they belong to his eugenistic "vision" ?
Breeding children left and right to preserve his genetic pool, going to mars as a small "elite" group while the rest of humanity is left behind are all the component of a transhumanist ideology which has the same matrice as the race theory of the 19th. (Lapouge, gobineau...)

If only he was just a loser at video game.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44106 Posts
January 20 2025 23:46 GMT
#1024
On January 21 2025 02:32 Timebon3s wrote:
I see our boy Elon is present at the presidential inauguration. A true loser indeed.


He came out as a Nazi. The Nazis lost.
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-01-21 13:09:34
January 21 2025 12:57 GMT
#1025
Doublepost
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
January 21 2025 13:07 GMT
#1026
The question is if he just sieg heils or also believes in the idea that everything at the extremes of a normal distribution within the idea of an old fashioned western society should be exterminated.

I might get flak for this but again this could just be posturing , a publicity stunt or cocaine.
Still a pretty stupid thing to do.

Or maybe it‘s because he hasn‘t been in bed with Weidel yet.
Old fashioned German courtship behaviour.
Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria3781 Posts
January 21 2025 13:59 GMT
#1027
Of course Elon denies that he performed the Nazi salute.

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1881536518206218445

Also note that after the salute he thanked people for "ensuring the future of civilization", which - in the context of the salute - is likely a dog whistle referencing the first part of the 14 words.

The 14 words: "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children, because the beauty of the White Aryan woman must not perish from the Earth."


And of course, to completely dispel anyone's doubts, he's immediatley back to promoting a well-known Nazi and holocaust denier.

https://x.com/GlebShpirt/status/1881646698638053630
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland24813 Posts
January 21 2025 15:01 GMT
#1028
Don’t fucking do the salute then Elon?

Maybe he’s trying to do some performance art piece where he shows just how far he can push gaslighting. Like dude, we saw it.

Not that I think it makes him a Nazi, he has some odd and odious views aye.

I think he belongs to that category of folks who think they’re smart enough to Ride the Tiger, and like many who came before him he will find himself sorely mistaken.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Legan
Profile Joined June 2017
Finland381 Posts
January 21 2025 15:39 GMT
#1029
It is really enraging how many are unable to call a nazi salute out for being a nazi salute.
Creator of Gresvan, Tropical Sacrifice, Taitalika, and Golden Forge
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5467 Posts
January 21 2025 16:05 GMT
#1030
On January 21 2025 08:30 stilt wrote:
Nice oath of the horatii /s

The fact there are so many people fans of this guy says all about the sad state of humanity, do his fans really believe they belong to his eugenistic "vision" ?
Breeding children left and right to preserve his genetic pool, going to mars as a small "elite" group while the rest of humanity is left behind are all the component of a transhumanist ideology which has the same matrice as the race theory of the 19th. (Lapouge, gobineau...)

If only he was just a loser at video game.

Yeah having children is assuredly not a 19th century racialist conspiracy, we should just respect his right to choose parenthood. Parenthood is the reason we all exist and basically the only unambiguous part of our species' existence and purpose. I had to google these people and there seemed to be nothing on the surface of them wanting to make some kind of oasis for certain elites and keep everyone else out, nor have I ever heard that from Musk, his plan used to be to get the price down to $500k so the idea is any middle class person could do an interplanetary relocation for around their entire net worth. The reason you would send "those" kind of people to Mars is just that they can afford it because Mars is expensive per se, due to being a far away different planet you need a spaceship to get to. I don't see transhumanist racialism there, just logistics. When people first colonized the New World, some of them did it as an investment/adventure. Some did it on debt. As a society we've moved on from that, so I just don't know that indentured servitude as a way to pay for your ticket to settle Mars would ever gain wider acceptance. That just leaves people from a certain level who can afford it, or people for whom it's their job to go. People of no particular color. He also advocates for direct democracy on Mars which I don't know that "elites" are usually into.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland24813 Posts
January 21 2025 16:06 GMT
#1031
On January 22 2025 00:39 Legan wrote:
It is really enraging how many are unable to call a nazi salute out for being a nazi salute.

It’s utterly pathetic, it really is.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13837 Posts
January 21 2025 16:29 GMT
#1032
On January 21 2025 03:29 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2025 02:57 Sermokala wrote:
On January 21 2025 00:25 Magic Powers wrote:
On January 20 2025 23:37 Timebon3s wrote:
On January 20 2025 09:24 Sermokala wrote:
Spacex has a history of their things blowing up and Elon never takes responsibility for any of it.

Not that hard to find, actually.

His biggest mistake is no doubt not reading this thread.
If he only took the time to listen to all the bright people here on TL, he might have been able to run a somewhat successful company.


It's one instance of one person making the claim that Elon doesn't take responsibility when a rocket blows up. oBlade blew this statement up into people generally claiming that Elon is entirely incapable of doing anything right whatsoever, if you read the rest of his comment. That's how it reads, and that's how oBlade created a false impression of what people are actually arguing.

Furthermore oBlade himself admits in that comment that Elon almost failed both Tesla and SpaceX completely. One of the arguments in the thread is that Elon is a luckbox. Well, that would be true if oBlade is right.

He didn't even prove anything and is now trying to use it as a gotcha for any arguments he doesn't want to dispute. BJ loves doing this too, taking one argument that he states that he won, and then using that as proof positive that he was right all along. At the same time of having to acknowledge that maybe Elon might make a mistake, he has to use an example where Elon is bragging about how awesome he is for designing and engineering a rocket that did succeed, just as he was about to run out of money. He can't even stick to the arugment that this was Elon failing at something when he immediately has to shift to "yeah they were test rockets they're suppose to fail" defeating even more that it was elon admitting responsibility for anything failing.

I don't know how gullible people like Oblade think they are but they do not read what they post objectively at all.

Having trouble figuring out what you're looking for. According to you SpaceX has a history of things blowing up. And Musk doesn't take responsibility for it.

However, this apparently doesn't include the things that blow up, but later don't blow up (Falcon 1) - because overall that counts as a success for you. Can you clarify what technology specifically you're talking about, that has blown up, and NOT un-blown up, that you also feel Musk needs to apologize for due to his personal responsibility?

Starship test flights labeled "TEST FLIGHT" are the ones that are supposed/allow to fail. "TEST FLIGHT" is roughly code for "can blow up." He, or SpaceX, or both, typically will explicitly clarify at some point for the public what their criteria for test "success" is and what they expect and hope for from the flight, ex. Starship flight test 1. For that specific test, "SpaceX said it would measure the mission's success "by how much [SpaceX] can learn" and that completion of mission milestones were "not required for a successful test". Before the April 20 launch, SpaceX CEO Elon Musk estimated a 50% chance for a successful test, saying that if the rocket gets "far enough away from the launchpad before something goes wrong, then I think I would consider that to be a success. Just don't blow up the launchpad."

Falcon 1 flights, the goal of EACH OF WHICH was to carry a customer's satellite to orbit on a full and complete successful launch of a 2 stage vehicle, were not supposed to blow up. In those cases, any blowing up at all represents critical failure, and is not preferable.

Hey man you should stop getting angry at what you tell us. I'm not responsible for your posting. Constantly posting things that is him saying that "failure is success actually" is not him taking responsibility for anything going wrong or any mistakes being made. Thats him taking credit for failing because failing is good actually. I'm saying Spacex has a history of blowing up and making mistakes and Elon has a history of never taking responsibility for any of those mistakes. You're the one that's trying to shift the goal posts to nameless engineers making mistakes and Elon taking credit for sucsess's.
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stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2747 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-01-22 07:25:54
January 22 2025 07:23 GMT
#1033
On January 21 2025 22:07 Vivax wrote:
The question is if he just sieg heils or also believes in the idea that everything at the extremes of a normal distribution within the idea of an old fashioned western society should be exterminated.

I might get flak for this but again this could just be posturing , a publicity stunt or cocaine.
Still a pretty stupid thing to do.

Or maybe it‘s because he hasn‘t been in bed with Weidel yet.
Old fashioned German courtship behaviour.


Normalyzing the nazi salute is criminal and it's just not some posturing considering how close he is of this thinking but even if it is, it is bad enough for our political landscape.

Akio
Profile Blog Joined January 2019
Finland1838 Posts
January 22 2025 11:34 GMT
#1034
Late to the party here, but I couldn't believe it when I saw his speech with the DOUBLE salutes. Then I believed my eyes even less when the right-wing media outlets had gathered screenshots of Democrat politicians holding their hand up in a similar angle. Like you seriously don't see the difference between holding the hand out and waving to people vs going from heart to full on salute two times?

There was even one segment in one of their grifter podcasts titled "The Left's overreaction is making us aggressively more right-wing". Unbelievable
Mine gas, build tanks.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-01-22 12:01:23
January 22 2025 11:59 GMT
#1035
On January 21 2025 22:07 Vivax wrote:
The question is if he just sieg heils or also believes in the idea that everything at the extremes of a normal distribution within the idea of an old fashioned western society should be exterminated.

I might get flak for this but again this could just be posturing , a publicity stunt or cocaine.
Still a pretty stupid thing to do.

Or maybe it‘s because he hasn‘t been in bed with Weidel yet.
Old fashioned German courtship behaviour.


To me, the whole thing screams 4chan.
Its their MO down to a tee.
Do something openly Nazi that everyone can see is blatantly Nazi and then deny that it has anything to do with Nazism, and use it as evidence that the left is hysterical.
It reminds me of the Bored Ape stuff.
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23066 Posts
January 22 2025 15:02 GMT
#1036
On January 22 2025 20:59 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2025 22:07 Vivax wrote:
The question is if he just sieg heils or also believes in the idea that everything at the extremes of a normal distribution within the idea of an old fashioned western society should be exterminated.

I might get flak for this but again this could just be posturing , a publicity stunt or cocaine.
Still a pretty stupid thing to do.

Or maybe it‘s because he hasn‘t been in bed with Weidel yet.
Old fashioned German courtship behaviour.


To me, the whole thing screams 4chan.
Its their MO down to a tee.
Do something openly Nazi that everyone can see is blatantly Nazi and then deny that it has anything to do with Nazism, and use it as evidence that the left is hysterical.
It reminds me of the Bored Ape stuff.

It did seem quite deliberate. Elon being an established troll, he probably intended to prompt people to start doing Nazi salutes "ironically" to "pwn the libs".

It's probably going to work. I expect the trolly kids with Trumper parents are already doing it.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10665 Posts
January 22 2025 15:28 GMT
#1037
Maybe it's a sign for their undying support of Ukraine....



It screaming 4chan/Trolling doesn't make it any better, it's just normalising Nazism.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23066 Posts
January 22 2025 16:24 GMT
#1038
On January 23 2025 00:28 Velr wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Maybe it's a sign for their undying support of Ukraine....



It screaming 4chan/Trolling doesn't make it any better, it's just normalising Nazism.

It's probably worse than if he was just so overwhelmed with his passion for Nazism he couldn't help but show adoration through a salute. Because that would struggle to get traction/support much more than "Stupid libs think everyone is a Nazi, we should totally troll them by 'ironically' using nazi salutes as greetings and such"
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12081 Posts
January 22 2025 17:08 GMT
#1039
I do not look forward to the center of politics being a discussion of what these empty people are saying and doing for (at least) four years.
"It is capitalism that is incentivizing me to lazily explain this to you while at work because I am not rewarded for generating additional value."
stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2747 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-01-22 18:09:29
January 22 2025 18:02 GMT
#1040
On January 22 2025 01:05 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2025 08:30 stilt wrote:
Nice oath of the horatii /s

The fact there are so many people fans of this guy says all about the sad state of humanity, do his fans really believe they belong to his eugenistic "vision" ?
Breeding children left and right to preserve his genetic pool, going to mars as a small "elite" group while the rest of humanity is left behind are all the component of a transhumanist ideology which has the same matrice as the race theory of the 19th. (Lapouge, gobineau...)

If only he was just a loser at video game.

Yeah having children is assuredly not a 19th century racialist conspiracy, we should just respect his right to choose parenthood. Parenthood is the reason we all exist and basically the only unambiguous part of our species' existence and purpose. I had to google these people and there seemed to be nothing on the surface of them wanting to make some kind of oasis for certain elites and keep everyone else out, nor have I ever heard that from Musk, his plan used to be to get the price down to $500k so the idea is any middle class person could do an interplanetary relocation for around their entire net worth. The reason you would send "those" kind of people to Mars is just that they can afford it because Mars is expensive per se, due to being a far away different planet you need a spaceship to get to. I don't see transhumanist racialism there, just logistics. When people first colonized the New World, some of them did it as an investment/adventure. Some did it on debt. As a society we've moved on from that, so I just don't know that indentured servitude as a way to pay for your ticket to settle Mars would ever gain wider acceptance. That just leaves people from a certain level who can afford it, or people for whom it's their job to go. People of no particular color. He also advocates for direct democracy on Mars which I don't know that "elites" are usually into.


An advocate for the great remplacement which calls for pro natalist policies to avoid the danger of immigration and interracialism. I mentionned gobineau : he is one of the early "thinker" who was at the basis of the nazi ideology, the great remplacement is a repeat of his bullshit : great civilizations of white men must avoid at any cost interracialism as inferior races will cause the end of civilization.
Then add the transhumanist bs of a dumb megalomaniac who sees himself as a genius and as such, bred 12 children.
That's his ideology, something which is more and more common in the silicon valley when those geeks are sure they come from a superior genetic pool.

Now, let's his actions before the nazi salute :
- unban alex jones
- try to prevent the buy of infowars
- buddy with every eu far right : afd, meloni, tommy robinson
- took the control of a social media to push his far right narratives

His nazi salute is pretty coherent.
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