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On January 20 2025 21:33 oBlade wrote:
Does this whack-a-mole goalshifting gaslighting serve any purpose whatsoever? I was told he never admits his mistakes. I knew of an obvious counterexample. Now this doesn't count? That's the only one I could find? That's all I've got? Admitting he caused rocket launches to fail? Leading the company to the brink of collapse? Perhaps I need to find something more substantive in this sincere evaluation of Musk's humanity? Has he ever admitted to NOT saying thank you when someone held the door open, for example? Perhaps forgot to tip a waitress once? Been found bawling on the ground by his wife because he wrote the age on her birthday cake one year too old and could barely live with the guilt? We need access to his personal bodycam and therapists' records to verify these incidents probably.
LOL
Is Elon fuckin' Musk really worth all the histrionics? I can't even barely tell what you're trying to say here, but here you are saying it, on a gaming forum, frantically defending the guy who now just admitted to paying people to boost his accounts.
And I didn't shift any goalposts, I didn't make the original claim. Through this thread I actually came to believe Musk is stronger in STEM than I was originally giving him credit for.
All I said is that video ain't it, the timestamp you pointed to is humblebragging without the humble, and I stand by that. "Dehumanising" him, Jesus Christ.
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On January 21 2025 00:25 Turbovolver wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2025 21:33 oBlade wrote:
Does this whack-a-mole goalshifting gaslighting serve any purpose whatsoever? I was told he never admits his mistakes. I knew of an obvious counterexample. Now this doesn't count? That's the only one I could find? That's all I've got? Admitting he caused rocket launches to fail? Leading the company to the brink of collapse? Perhaps I need to find something more substantive in this sincere evaluation of Musk's humanity? Has he ever admitted to NOT saying thank you when someone held the door open, for example? Perhaps forgot to tip a waitress once? Been found bawling on the ground by his wife because he wrote the age on her birthday cake one year too old and could barely live with the guilt? We need access to his personal bodycam and therapists' records to verify these incidents probably. LOL Is Elon fuckin' Musk really worth all the histrionics? I can't even barely tell what you're trying to say here, but here you are saying it, on a gaming forum, frantically defending the guy who now just admitted to paying people to boost his accounts. And I didn't shift any goalposts, I didn't make the original claim. Through this thread I actually came to believe Musk is stronger in STEM than I was originally giving him credit for. All I said is that video ain't it, the timestamp you pointed to is humblebragging without the humble, and I stand by that. "Dehumanising" him, Jesus Christ.
You didn't make the original claim, you say? That's the whackamole part, my friend. I was talking to somebody else. They said he never takes responsibility for his rockets blowing up. I said, here's him taking responsibility of his rockets blowing up. You interjected, saying that's the only case you can find of him admitting fault for his rockets blowing up?
Again, yes. That's the one I know. Because the rockets don't blow up very often. Go figure. And despite what smug Youtube clickbait wants you to think, most of the other rockets that blow up are supposed to because they're test programs. Like he freely admitted before the first Starship/booster all-up test, making it off the pad was a success.
Another case is when Falcon failed in a test flight and Dragon survived the failure, but was destroyed on impacting the water because it hadn't had a software update that would have allowed it to deploy chutes and survive in a contingency like that where it realized the launch vehicle had failed. Was that his fault? I don't know. Did he admit it was his fault? I don't know. Should we be wasting time mocking him for not admitting it was his fault if it wasn't? No.
I haven't said word one about... boosting an account? There's that mole dragging the goalpost all the way across the yard and popping up out of a separate hole to replace it somewhere else. I'm even less pathetic than someone defending a billionaire's video game habits - I'm so pathetic that I have no interest in it. Tell me next Bill Gates aimbots in CS, I might forget to blink in that millisecond. More significantly on that front I take separate issue with the characterization of Diablo IV as a "game" to begin with. If people want to play it it's their business, I defer to them to judge what makes someone "good" at it or not because it's not my area.
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Yeah I agree it really doesn't matter that Elon Musk stole one million dollars from Sam Harris. That doesn't say anything about his character.
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On January 21 2025 00:42 oBlade wrote:
You didn't make the original claim, you say? That's the whackamole part, my friend. I was talking to somebody else.
Oh so sorry to make a forum post responding to conversations taking place in a forum thread pfff
I haven't said word one about... boosting an account? There's that mole dragging the goalpost all the way across the yard and popping up out of a separate hole to replace it somewhere else.
Bro what? I'm saying it's cringe to go on the most popular podcast in the world to brag about being a top gamer and then stream yourself looking... as absolutely boosted as he actually was. And so once again I'm just sat here sort of dismayed that people on a gaming forum are so. damn. eager. to twist themselves into knots to defend a guy like that.
Catching rockets is kinda cool, but eh, wake me up when we get to Mars I guess. Starlink's way overpriced here.
You can think the rockets part is cooler than I do, and that all the lying about games (and let's be real, more than just games... those fuckin' robots, man) doesn't matter in the scheme of things. Dunno what us assigning different weightings to those things has to do with Magic Powers' goalposts he planted.
More significantly on that front I take separate issue with the characterization of Diablo IV as a "game" to begin with.
Hahaha okay, you earn a lot of your gaming cred back for that one :D
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I see our boy Elon is present at the presidential inauguration. A true loser indeed.
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On January 21 2025 01:12 Turbovolver wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2025 00:42 oBlade wrote:
You didn't make the original claim, you say? That's the whackamole part, my friend. I was talking to somebody else. Oh so sorry to make a forum post responding to conversations taking place in a forum thread pfff Show nested quote +I haven't said word one about... boosting an account? There's that mole dragging the goalpost all the way across the yard and popping up out of a separate hole to replace it somewhere else. Bro what? I'm saying it's cringe to go on the most popular podcast in the world to brag about being a top gamer and then stream yourself looking... as absolutely boosted as he actually was. And so once again I'm just sat here sort of dismayed that people on a gaming forum are so. damn. eager. to twist themselves into knots to defend a guy like that. Catching rockets is kinda cool, but eh, wake me up when we get to Mars I guess. Starlink's way overpriced here. You can think the rockets part is cooler than I do, and that all the lying about games (and let's be real, more than just games... those fuckin' robots, man) doesn't matter in the scheme of things. Dunno what us assigning different weightings to those things has to do with Magic Powers' goalposts he planted. Show nested quote +More significantly on that front I take separate issue with the characterization of Diablo IV as a "game" to begin with. Hahaha okay, you earn a lot of your gaming cred back for that one :D
Dude Musk is immune to this stuff if people worship money enough.
All of this is by the by, have you seen how rich he is?
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On January 20 2025 15:55 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2025 09:24 Sermokala wrote:
Spacex has a history of their things blowing up and Elon never takes responsibility for any of it. It it failed it would have been those same nameless engineers failing, not elons brilliant idea. When Tesla breaks its promises it never addresses them nor apologizes for any of them.
Nothing elon says about anything of substance should give you confidence he understands anything that's going on around him. Him taking an idea from scifi and saying "yeah do that" sounds like a dumb thing he could have figured out but its much more likely it was an idea from an engineer who had read old scifi proposed it and Elon is just taking credit for it. Here is Musk taking direct responsibility for Falcon 1 blowing up: Show nested quote +So Falcon 1, this is where we started out. You know, a lot of people really only heard of SpaceX relatively recently, so let me think, say Falcon 9 and Dragon just instantly appeared and that's how it always was, but it wasn't. We started off with just a few people, who really didn't know how to make rockets, and the the reason that I ended up being the chief engineer, or chief designer, that's not because I wanted to, it's because I couldn't hire anyone yet. Nobody good would join so I ended up being that by default, and I messed up the first three launches. The first three launches failed. Fortunately the fourth launch - which was the that was the last money that we had for Falcon 1 - the fourth launch worked, or that would have been it for for SpaceX. You can find it at 11~13 minutes or so: + Show Spoiler +
That isn't him taking responsibility for anything thats just him mythmaking about spacex. Does he say what he did that he takes responsibility for? No, he even tries to take credit for being the chief engineer and designer for the falcon 1 when it finally does succeed.
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On January 21 2025 00:25 Magic Powers wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2025 23:37 Timebon3s wrote:On January 20 2025 09:24 Sermokala wrote:
Spacex has a history of their things blowing up and Elon never takes responsibility for any of it. Not that hard to find, actually. His biggest mistake is no doubt not reading this thread. If he only took the time to listen to all the bright people here on TL, he might have been able to run a somewhat successful company. It's one instance of one person making the claim that Elon doesn't take responsibility when a rocket blows up. oBlade blew this statement up into people generally claiming that Elon is entirely incapable of doing anything right whatsoever, if you read the rest of his comment. That's how it reads, and that's how oBlade created a false impression of what people are actually arguing. Furthermore oBlade himself admits in that comment that Elon almost failed both Tesla and SpaceX completely. One of the arguments in the thread is that Elon is a luckbox. Well, that would be true if oBlade is right.
He didn't even prove anything and is now trying to use it as a gotcha for any arguments he doesn't want to dispute. BJ loves doing this too, taking one argument that he states that he won, and then using that as proof positive that he was right all along. At the same time of having to acknowledge that maybe Elon might make a mistake, he has to use an example where Elon is bragging about how awesome he is for designing and engineering a rocket that did succeed, just as he was about to run out of money. He can't even stick to the arugment that this was Elon failing at something when he immediately has to shift to "yeah they were test rockets they're suppose to fail" defeating even more that it was elon admitting responsibility for anything failing.
I don't know how gullible people like Oblade think they are but they do not read what they post objectively at all.
On January 21 2025 02:32 Timebon3s wrote:
I see our boy Elon is present at the presidential inauguration. A true loser indeed.
Celebrating rapists is indeed loser behavior.
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On January 21 2025 02:32 Timebon3s wrote:
I see our boy Elon is present at the presidential inauguration. A true loser indeed.
Unironically yes. You couldn’t pay me to attend.
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On January 21 2025 02:57 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2025 02:32 Timebon3s wrote:
I see our boy Elon is present at the presidential inauguration. A true loser indeed. Unironically yes. You couldn’t pay me to attend.
So Musk could pay you to bumfuck you, but couldn't pay you to attend Trump's inauguration? Despite you being a card carrying republican and all?
(it's possible I am confusing people with hammers and it was Falling who said that, but the point stands that Musk could offer you enough money that you would lube up, and let him do his thing)
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On January 21 2025 03:07 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2025 02:57 KwarK wrote:On January 21 2025 02:32 Timebon3s wrote:
I see our boy Elon is present at the presidential inauguration. A true loser indeed. Unironically yes. You couldn’t pay me to attend. So Musk could pay you to bumfuck you, but couldn't pay you to attend Trump's inauguration? Despite you being a card carrying republican and all? (it's possible I am confusing people with hammers and it was Falling who said that, but the point stands that Musk could offer you enough money that you would lube up, and let him do his thing)
weird post my guy
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On January 21 2025 02:57 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2025 00:25 Magic Powers wrote:On January 20 2025 23:37 Timebon3s wrote:On January 20 2025 09:24 Sermokala wrote:
Spacex has a history of their things blowing up and Elon never takes responsibility for any of it. Not that hard to find, actually. His biggest mistake is no doubt not reading this thread. If he only took the time to listen to all the bright people here on TL, he might have been able to run a somewhat successful company. It's one instance of one person making the claim that Elon doesn't take responsibility when a rocket blows up. oBlade blew this statement up into people generally claiming that Elon is entirely incapable of doing anything right whatsoever, if you read the rest of his comment. That's how it reads, and that's how oBlade created a false impression of what people are actually arguing. Furthermore oBlade himself admits in that comment that Elon almost failed both Tesla and SpaceX completely. One of the arguments in the thread is that Elon is a luckbox. Well, that would be true if oBlade is right. He didn't even prove anything and is now trying to use it as a gotcha for any arguments he doesn't want to dispute. BJ loves doing this too, taking one argument that he states that he won, and then using that as proof positive that he was right all along. At the same time of having to acknowledge that maybe Elon might make a mistake, he has to use an example where Elon is bragging about how awesome he is for designing and engineering a rocket that did succeed, just as he was about to run out of money. He can't even stick to the arugment that this was Elon failing at something when he immediately has to shift to "yeah they were test rockets they're suppose to fail" defeating even more that it was elon admitting responsibility for anything failing. I don't know how gullible people like Oblade think they are but they do not read what they post objectively at all.
Having trouble figuring out what you're looking for. According to you SpaceX has a history of things blowing up. And Musk doesn't take responsibility for it.
However, this apparently doesn't include the things that blow up, but later don't blow up (Falcon 1) - because overall that counts as a success for you. Can you clarify what technology specifically you're talking about, that has blown up, and NOT un-blown up, that you also feel Musk needs to apologize for due to his personal responsibility?
Starship test flights labeled "TEST FLIGHT" are the ones that are supposed/allow to fail. "TEST FLIGHT" is roughly code for "can blow up." He, or SpaceX, or both, typically will explicitly clarify at some point for the public what their criteria for test "success" is and what they expect and hope for from the flight, ex. Starship flight test 1. For that specific test, "SpaceX said it would measure the mission's success "by how much [SpaceX] can learn" and that completion of mission milestones were "not required for a successful test". Before the April 20 launch, SpaceX CEO Elon Musk estimated a 50% chance for a successful test, saying that if the rocket gets "far enough away from the launchpad before something goes wrong, then I think I would consider that to be a success. Just don't blow up the launchpad."
Falcon 1 flights, the goal of EACH OF WHICH was to carry a customer's satellite to orbit on a full and complete successful launch of a 2 stage vehicle, were not supposed to blow up. In those cases, any blowing up at all represents critical failure, and is not preferable.
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On January 20 2025 21:00 Uldridge wrote:
You don't get it Blackjack. Not every organisation has fuck you money to throw shit to the wall and make 20% errors. They do that, they go bankrupt. In fact, it's so necessary for so many production sectors to get it right that they rather commit fraud instead of redoing it all. They can then reright the wrongs after they've makde their bucks with the fraudulent claims, but the up front money isn't always there to just go "oh well, let's try again".
If my plant manager or supply chain manager would give 20% wrong commands we'd be in crisis after crisis. This would not be a fun place to work at. It would probably be a non-existent workplace.
If you have a factory that makes 2,000 cars per week and you need to get that number to 5,000 cars per week by the end of the year or your company goes bankrupt, and for every 4 decisions you make the number goes up you make 1 decision that makes the number go down, simple maths would dictate you want to keep making those decisions instead of being paralyzed by not wanting to make any errors.
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On January 21 2025 03:47 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2025 21:00 Uldridge wrote:
You don't get it Blackjack. Not every organisation has fuck you money to throw shit to the wall and make 20% errors. They do that, they go bankrupt. In fact, it's so necessary for so many production sectors to get it right that they rather commit fraud instead of redoing it all. They can then reright the wrongs after they've makde their bucks with the fraudulent claims, but the up front money isn't always there to just go "oh well, let's try again".
If my plant manager or supply chain manager would give 20% wrong commands we'd be in crisis after crisis. This would not be a fun place to work at. It would probably be a non-existent workplace. If you have a factory that makes 2,000 cars per week and you need to get that number to 5,000 cars per week by the end of the year or your company goes bankrupt, and for every 4 decisions you make the number goes up you make 1 decision that makes the number go down, simple maths would dictate you want to keep making those decisions instead of being paralyzed by not wanting to make any errors.
If you have a factory that makes X and you need Y and every time you punch yourself in the face then something then it’s simple maths that you need to punch yourself in the face. Sorry, simple maths.
You can’t string a bunch of meaningless words together to construct an unproven conclusion.
Edited because in the previous version I called Blackjack a pedophile and it wasn’t clear that randomly calling people a pedophile online was an Elon reference.
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On January 21 2025 02:32 Timebon3s wrote:
I see our boy Elon is present at the presidential inauguration. A true loser indeed.
The chain of ball gargling will soon hit levels I hadn’t thought possible. Musk to Trump, Trump to Musk and their respective fan bases to ea h of them, only taking time out of old-fashioned ball gargling to defend them on the internet.
One can be a hugely successful person and still be a loser in the colloquial sense.
To be fair to Trump he’s many things but him not really giving a fuck is definitely summat that staves off loser energy.
Musk on the other hand…
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On January 21 2025 03:26 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2025 03:07 Acrofales wrote:On January 21 2025 02:57 KwarK wrote:On January 21 2025 02:32 Timebon3s wrote:
I see our boy Elon is present at the presidential inauguration. A true loser indeed. Unironically yes. You couldn’t pay me to attend. So Musk could pay you to bumfuck you, but couldn't pay you to attend Trump's inauguration? Despite you being a card carrying republican and all? (it's possible I am confusing people with hammers and it was Falling who said that, but the point stands that Musk could offer you enough money that you would lube up, and let him do his thing) weird post my guy
I think he is referencing a discussion i had with WombaT a few pages back (page 43) about exactly how much power billions of dollars give you.
But he managed to get all of the people involved wrong.
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On January 21 2025 04:16 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2025 03:26 KwarK wrote:On January 21 2025 03:07 Acrofales wrote:On January 21 2025 02:57 KwarK wrote:On January 21 2025 02:32 Timebon3s wrote:
I see our boy Elon is present at the presidential inauguration. A true loser indeed. Unironically yes. You couldn’t pay me to attend. So Musk could pay you to bumfuck you, but couldn't pay you to attend Trump's inauguration? Despite you being a card carrying republican and all? (it's possible I am confusing people with hammers and it was Falling who said that, but the point stands that Musk could offer you enough money that you would lube up, and let him do his thing) weird post my guy I think he is referencing a discussion i had with WombaT a few pages back (page 43) about exactly how much power billions of dollars give you. But he managed to get all of the people involved wrong.
I knew it was wombat. I thought it was someone with a red hammer suggesting the power Musk amounts of money could buy. But I guess it wasn't a red hammer 
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On January 21 2025 04:38 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2025 04:16 Simberto wrote:On January 21 2025 03:26 KwarK wrote:On January 21 2025 03:07 Acrofales wrote:On January 21 2025 02:57 KwarK wrote:On January 21 2025 02:32 Timebon3s wrote:
I see our boy Elon is present at the presidential inauguration. A true loser indeed. Unironically yes. You couldn’t pay me to attend. So Musk could pay you to bumfuck you, but couldn't pay you to attend Trump's inauguration? Despite you being a card carrying republican and all? (it's possible I am confusing people with hammers and it was Falling who said that, but the point stands that Musk could offer you enough money that you would lube up, and let him do his thing) weird post my guy I think he is referencing a discussion i had with WombaT a few pages back (page 43) about exactly how much power billions of dollars give you. But he managed to get all of the people involved wrong. I knew it was wombat. I thought it was someone with a red hammer suggesting the power Musk amounts of money could buy. But I guess it wasn't a red hammer
Falling or micronesia iirc? For whatever reason I cannot recall whomst it was, but I can recall it definitely wasn’t Kwark for whatever reason.
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On January 21 2025 05:36 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2025 04:38 Acrofales wrote:On January 21 2025 04:16 Simberto wrote:On January 21 2025 03:26 KwarK wrote:On January 21 2025 03:07 Acrofales wrote:On January 21 2025 02:57 KwarK wrote:On January 21 2025 02:32 Timebon3s wrote:
I see our boy Elon is present at the presidential inauguration. A true loser indeed. Unironically yes. You couldn’t pay me to attend. So Musk could pay you to bumfuck you, but couldn't pay you to attend Trump's inauguration? Despite you being a card carrying republican and all? (it's possible I am confusing people with hammers and it was Falling who said that, but the point stands that Musk could offer you enough money that you would lube up, and let him do his thing) weird post my guy I think he is referencing a discussion i had with WombaT a few pages back (page 43) about exactly how much power billions of dollars give you. But he managed to get all of the people involved wrong. I knew it was wombat. I thought it was someone with a red hammer suggesting the power Musk amounts of money could buy. But I guess it wasn't a red hammer Falling or micronesia iirc? For whatever reason I cannot recall whomst it was, but I can recall it definitely wasn’t Kwark for whatever reason.
I am pretty sure i don't have a hammer. I assume i would have been told.
Edit: Also, Musk was apparently doing a Nazi salute at the inauguration.
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On January 21 2025 02:32 Timebon3s wrote:
I see our boy Elon is present at the presidential inauguration. A true loser indeed.
This aged well, lmao.
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