A lot of veterans of Musk companies report that they have people in the factory floor whose entire jobs are to keep Musk out of the way so he doesn’t fuck things up further. Musk has a really dangerous combination of power and unearned confidence that leads him to believe that his first instinct based on a very minimal level of understanding should be committed to with every resource. Like putting a submarine that can’t navigate tight spaces into an underwater cave.
Some problems take a lot of time to gain a proper understanding of. I work in manufacturing and it took me months of working on the production floor to gain a proper understanding of a fairly basic process. Things like “to get a 3% ratio you don’t request a 3% because the calibration is off so instead you consult this post it which is continually updated based on the results of testing in the previous shift” are not intuitive. The operator starts lowballing the % and then adulterates up because it’s the most effective way of hitting the right % without going over.
If I were to simply mandate that the operator enter the correct % into the machine, run it to completion, then test then I’m going to be fucked when the order is filled but the testing comes back at 4%.
Elon has neither the patience nor the humility to put that time in. Instead he simply mandates the first thing that comes into his head with devastating results. So to placate him they give him fake problems to work on and keep him the fuck away from anything.
On January 19 2025 06:21 KwarK wrote: A lot of veterans of Musk companies report that they have people in the factory floor whose entire jobs are to keep Musk out of the way so he doesn’t fuck things up further.
On January 19 2025 06:12 Vivax wrote: Zuck built himself the reputation for being a cyborg and doesn‘t posture as much in public.
When you‘re a billionaire you can enjoy your position instead of strolling around like an orang-utan.
He seems like hes trying to get into that business, he was on Rogan and from what Ive heard he basically went full Appeal to MAGA and I dont think the MAGAs were biting lmao
On January 19 2025 06:21 KwarK wrote: A lot of veterans of Musk companies report that they have people in the factory floor whose entire jobs are to keep Musk out of the way so he doesn’t fuck things up further.
Source?
Reddit so take it with a bucket of salt. But “people who have worked with Elon, what’s he like” comes up pretty often and there’s a consensus that you want to keep him the fuck away from whatever you’re working on.
That aligns with other well documented things like how he took over Twitter and decided to rank all his employees by how many lines of code they’d written and fire the bottom half or something. If I was a team leader and my boss decided who on my team was getting the axe based on a metric that stupid I’d be furious.
I don't know if I would call something "well documented" just because you've read it on reddit or twitter by some nameless sources with a personal vendetta
I can find info on firing 50% of coders based on lines written pretty easily. Don't know if multiple sources popping up right away counts as "well documented", but it surely doesn't require more than a quick search.
My 2 cents would be that Elon is generally vastly underestimating the abilities of other people (most recently gamers) and vastly overestimating his own. So I can certainly see this kind of overbearing layoff method happening under his thumb.
On January 19 2025 09:07 BlackJack wrote: I don't know if I would call something "well documented" just because you've read it on reddit or twitter by some nameless sources with a personal vendetta
I mean sure it’s possible, there is plenty of it that’s pretty consistent though. Or things that aren’t nameless that broadly corroborate such tales tangentially.
I mean you’re talking a couple of years of the odd thing on Reddit or Twitter, but I do recall plenty. I especially recall Musk getting schooled on Twitter by one of his engineers, not abrasively at all, who then quickly became an ex-engineer.
Or working for a company and us having a laugh that one of Twitter’s biggest outages came when they fired and nuked the credentials of the only employee who had access to our product during the initial mass firing phase.
Amongst other things. I know most of my programmer/programming adjacent buddies who were still warmly disposed or neutral on him started to feel he’s full of shit, because he would talk so much bullshit about an area of their expertise.
I wouldn’t say it’s immutable proof of certain charges, but it does seem rather cumulatively plausible. In mitigation perhaps his management style works differently in the context of a company he was involved in shaping, rather than one he acquired with a different ethos.
You know how when see your job or hobby portrayed in a movie or covered by the news you can immediately tell how superficial and silly their understanding of it is? But then when they portray activities that we don't know much about we sort of suspend disbelief and assume by default that they know what they're talking about.
It's the same with people. When you see someone being irrational in every aspect that you can verify or know something about, assuming that they are a genius in every other activity that you can't verify or know much about is probably misguided.
On January 19 2025 12:09 Dan HH wrote: You know how when see your job or hobby portrayed in a movie or covered by the news you can immediately tell how superficial and silly their understanding of it is? But then when they portray activities that we don't know much about we sort of suspend disbelief and assume by default that they know what they're talking about.
It's the same with people. When you see someone being irrational in every aspect that you can verify or know something about, assuming that they are a genius in every other activity that you can't verify or know much about is probably misguided.
You can bullshit your way through a lot with the right attitude. It‘s honestly surprising how easy it can be. Should have become a phone scammer.
By the way we are related according to ancestry.com and I‘m in a bit of a pinch.
On January 19 2025 09:29 Magic Powers wrote: I can find info on firing 50% of coders based on lines written pretty easily. Don't know if multiple sources popping up right away counts as "well documented", but it surely doesn't require more than a quick search.
My 2 cents would be that Elon is generally vastly underestimating the abilities of other people (most recently gamers) and vastly overestimating his own. So I can certainly see this kind of overbearing layoff method happening under his thumb.
I know it's tempting to assume that the first thing you google has a source for the claim but if you read the article you've cited you'd realize it says nothing about Musk firing 50% of coders based on lines of code written.
On January 19 2025 09:07 BlackJack wrote: I don't know if I would call something "well documented" just because you've read it on reddit or twitter by some nameless sources with a personal vendetta
I mean sure it’s possible, there is plenty of it that’s pretty consistent though. Or things that aren’t nameless that broadly corroborate such tales tangentially.
I mean you’re talking a couple of years of the odd thing on Reddit or Twitter, but I do recall plenty. I especially recall Musk getting schooled on Twitter by one of his engineers, not abrasively at all, who then quickly became an ex-engineer.
Or working for a company and us having a laugh that one of Twitter’s biggest outages came when they fired and nuked the credentials of the only employee who had access to our product during the initial mass firing phase.
Amongst other things. I know most of my programmer/programming adjacent buddies who were still warmly disposed or neutral on him started to feel he’s full of shit, because he would talk so much bullshit about an area of their expertise.
I wouldn’t say it’s immutable proof of certain charges, but it does seem rather cumulatively plausible. In mitigation perhaps his management style works differently in the context of a company he was involved in shaping, rather than one he acquired with a different ethos.
A couple pages back MP said Zuckerberg's claim that the Biden White House pressured him to delete posts related to vaccine side effects was bogus and a lie.
But apparently some nameless ex-employees who we can't even source but we remember reading something about on Reddit and Twitter speak the gospel. If only Zuckerberg had as much credibility as some unknown mid-level employee on Twitter whose upset that their company was acquired by Musk and maybe has an agenda. I'm filing the uneven levels of skepticism being applied here under "I'm going to believe what I want to believe."
On January 19 2025 09:07 BlackJack wrote: I don't know if I would call something "well documented" just because you've read it on reddit or twitter by some nameless sources with a personal vendetta
I mean sure it’s possible, there is plenty of it that’s pretty consistent though. Or things that aren’t nameless that broadly corroborate such tales tangentially.
I mean you’re talking a couple of years of the odd thing on Reddit or Twitter, but I do recall plenty. I especially recall Musk getting schooled on Twitter by one of his engineers, not abrasively at all, who then quickly became an ex-engineer.
Or working for a company and us having a laugh that one of Twitter’s biggest outages came when they fired and nuked the credentials of the only employee who had access to our product during the initial mass firing phase.
Amongst other things. I know most of my programmer/programming adjacent buddies who were still warmly disposed or neutral on him started to feel he’s full of shit, because he would talk so much bullshit about an area of their expertise.
I wouldn’t say it’s immutable proof of certain charges, but it does seem rather cumulatively plausible. In mitigation perhaps his management style works differently in the context of a company he was involved in shaping, rather than one he acquired with a different ethos.
A couple pages back MP said Zuckerberg's claim that the Biden White House pressured him to delete posts related to vaccine side effects was bogus and a lie.
But apparently some nameless ex-employees who we can't even source but we remember reading something about on Reddit and Twitter speak the gospel. If only Zuckerberg had as much credibility as some unknown mid-level employee on Twitter whose upset that their company was acquired by Musk and maybe has an agenda. I'm filing the uneven levels of skepticism being applied here under "I'm going to believe what I want to believe."
Your post is sort of a hodgepodge of right wing grievances. Zuckerberg is in fact lying or in charitable terms, misleading Rogan and others as to what Biden and the government was asking social media sites to look into or take down. Taking down blatant anti vaxx content used to be a "duh yeah pls delete that shit on your platforms", to now for someone like you its all free speech. even blatant, dangerous lies.
Does it trouble you, to see Republican normie voters now see vaccines writ large as a bad thing?
I'll defend Elon's early days at spacex and somewhat at tesla, but yeah, you can jot this down, he speaks outside his area of expertise on everything now, and even his hobby enthusiast knowledge on rocketry and ev cars is starting to wane. ketamine and infinite hunger for power is making his mouth droop and smirk
On January 19 2025 09:07 BlackJack wrote: I don't know if I would call something "well documented" just because you've read it on reddit or twitter by some nameless sources with a personal vendetta
I mean sure it’s possible, there is plenty of it that’s pretty consistent though. Or things that aren’t nameless that broadly corroborate such tales tangentially.
I mean you’re talking a couple of years of the odd thing on Reddit or Twitter, but I do recall plenty. I especially recall Musk getting schooled on Twitter by one of his engineers, not abrasively at all, who then quickly became an ex-engineer.
Or working for a company and us having a laugh that one of Twitter’s biggest outages came when they fired and nuked the credentials of the only employee who had access to our product during the initial mass firing phase.
Amongst other things. I know most of my programmer/programming adjacent buddies who were still warmly disposed or neutral on him started to feel he’s full of shit, because he would talk so much bullshit about an area of their expertise.
I wouldn’t say it’s immutable proof of certain charges, but it does seem rather cumulatively plausible. In mitigation perhaps his management style works differently in the context of a company he was involved in shaping, rather than one he acquired with a different ethos.
A couple pages back MP said Zuckerberg's claim that the Biden White House pressured him to delete posts related to vaccine side effects was bogus and a lie.
But apparently some nameless ex-employees who we can't even source but we remember reading something about on Reddit and Twitter speak the gospel. If only Zuckerberg had as much credibility as some unknown mid-level employee on Twitter whose upset that their company was acquired by Musk and maybe has an agenda. I'm filing the uneven levels of skepticism being applied here under "I'm going to believe what I want to believe."
Your post is sort of a hodgepodge of right wing grievances. Zuckerberg is in fact lying or in charitable terms, misleading Rogan and others as to what Biden and the government was asking social media sites to look into or take down. Taking down blatant anti vaxx content used to be a "duh yeah pls delete that shit on your platforms", to now for someone like you its all free speech. even blatant, dangerous lies.
Does it trouble you, to see Republican normie voters now see vaccines writ large as a bad thing?
I'll defend Elon's early days at spacex and somewhat at tesla, but yeah, you can jot this down, he speaks outside his area of expertise on everything now, and even his hobby enthusiast knowledge on rocketry and ev cars is starting to wane. ketamine and infinite hunger for power is making his mouth droop and smirk
I'm wondering how you can so matter of factly state that Zuckerberg is lying about conversations that you were not privy to
On January 19 2025 09:07 BlackJack wrote: I don't know if I would call something "well documented" just because you've read it on reddit or twitter by some nameless sources with a personal vendetta
I mean sure it’s possible, there is plenty of it that’s pretty consistent though. Or things that aren’t nameless that broadly corroborate such tales tangentially.
I mean you’re talking a couple of years of the odd thing on Reddit or Twitter, but I do recall plenty. I especially recall Musk getting schooled on Twitter by one of his engineers, not abrasively at all, who then quickly became an ex-engineer.
Or working for a company and us having a laugh that one of Twitter’s biggest outages came when they fired and nuked the credentials of the only employee who had access to our product during the initial mass firing phase.
Amongst other things. I know most of my programmer/programming adjacent buddies who were still warmly disposed or neutral on him started to feel he’s full of shit, because he would talk so much bullshit about an area of their expertise.
I wouldn’t say it’s immutable proof of certain charges, but it does seem rather cumulatively plausible. In mitigation perhaps his management style works differently in the context of a company he was involved in shaping, rather than one he acquired with a different ethos.
A couple pages back MP said Zuckerberg's claim that the Biden White House pressured him to delete posts related to vaccine side effects was bogus and a lie.
But apparently some nameless ex-employees who we can't even source but we remember reading something about on Reddit and Twitter speak the gospel. If only Zuckerberg had as much credibility as some unknown mid-level employee on Twitter whose upset that their company was acquired by Musk and maybe has an agenda. I'm filing the uneven levels of skepticism being applied here under "I'm going to believe what I want to believe."
Your post is sort of a hodgepodge of right wing grievances. Zuckerberg is in fact lying or in charitable terms, misleading Rogan and others as to what Biden and the government was asking social media sites to look into or take down. Taking down blatant anti vaxx content used to be a "duh yeah pls delete that shit on your platforms", to now for someone like you its all free speech. even blatant, dangerous lies.
Does it trouble you, to see Republican normie voters now see vaccines writ large as a bad thing?
I'll defend Elon's early days at spacex and somewhat at tesla, but yeah, you can jot this down, he speaks outside his area of expertise on everything now, and even his hobby enthusiast knowledge on rocketry and ev cars is starting to wane. ketamine and infinite hunger for power is making his mouth droop and smirk
I'm wondering how you can so matter of factly state that Zuckerberg is lying about conversations that you were not privy to
On January 19 2025 09:07 BlackJack wrote: I don't know if I would call something "well documented" just because you've read it on reddit or twitter by some nameless sources with a personal vendetta
I mean sure it’s possible, there is plenty of it that’s pretty consistent though. Or things that aren’t nameless that broadly corroborate such tales tangentially.
I mean you’re talking a couple of years of the odd thing on Reddit or Twitter, but I do recall plenty. I especially recall Musk getting schooled on Twitter by one of his engineers, not abrasively at all, who then quickly became an ex-engineer.
Or working for a company and us having a laugh that one of Twitter’s biggest outages came when they fired and nuked the credentials of the only employee who had access to our product during the initial mass firing phase.
Amongst other things. I know most of my programmer/programming adjacent buddies who were still warmly disposed or neutral on him started to feel he’s full of shit, because he would talk so much bullshit about an area of their expertise.
I wouldn’t say it’s immutable proof of certain charges, but it does seem rather cumulatively plausible. In mitigation perhaps his management style works differently in the context of a company he was involved in shaping, rather than one he acquired with a different ethos.
A couple pages back MP said Zuckerberg's claim that the Biden White House pressured him to delete posts related to vaccine side effects was bogus and a lie.
But apparently some nameless ex-employees who we can't even source but we remember reading something about on Reddit and Twitter speak the gospel. If only Zuckerberg had as much credibility as some unknown mid-level employee on Twitter whose upset that their company was acquired by Musk and maybe has an agenda. I'm filing the uneven levels of skepticism being applied here under "I'm going to believe what I want to believe."
Of course Zuckerberg has negative credibility. He has been on an ass-kissing mission to prove to Trump he's a good boy by making culture war gestures such as removing tampons from men's bathrooms at Meta. A performative gesture far below his pay grade.
And of course adding them in the first place was also performative, he doesn't have any principles or believe in anything, none of them do. That's what they have in common, a remarkable lack of spine, sense of guilt or shame. This is a requirement.
What he said isn't technically a lie. Someone spreading pure fiction such as 'vaccines make you sterile', without even anecdotal evidence let alone case studies, is technically just 'talking about side effects'. Governments asking social media companies to do something about that is a good thing. Zuckerberg obviously knows this, what he's doing now to score good boy points with Trump is packaging that benign request into nefarious "Biden made me hide the troof!" allusions.
On January 19 2025 09:07 BlackJack wrote: I don't know if I would call something "well documented" just because you've read it on reddit or twitter by some nameless sources with a personal vendetta
I mean sure it’s possible, there is plenty of it that’s pretty consistent though. Or things that aren’t nameless that broadly corroborate such tales tangentially.
I mean you’re talking a couple of years of the odd thing on Reddit or Twitter, but I do recall plenty. I especially recall Musk getting schooled on Twitter by one of his engineers, not abrasively at all, who then quickly became an ex-engineer.
Or working for a company and us having a laugh that one of Twitter’s biggest outages came when they fired and nuked the credentials of the only employee who had access to our product during the initial mass firing phase.
Amongst other things. I know most of my programmer/programming adjacent buddies who were still warmly disposed or neutral on him started to feel he’s full of shit, because he would talk so much bullshit about an area of their expertise.
I wouldn’t say it’s immutable proof of certain charges, but it does seem rather cumulatively plausible. In mitigation perhaps his management style works differently in the context of a company he was involved in shaping, rather than one he acquired with a different ethos.
A couple pages back MP said Zuckerberg's claim that the Biden White House pressured him to delete posts related to vaccine side effects was bogus and a lie.
But apparently some nameless ex-employees who we can't even source but we remember reading something about on Reddit and Twitter speak the gospel. If only Zuckerberg had as much credibility as some unknown mid-level employee on Twitter whose upset that their company was acquired by Musk and maybe has an agenda. I'm filing the uneven levels of skepticism being applied here under "I'm going to believe what I want to believe."
Your post is sort of a hodgepodge of right wing grievances. Zuckerberg is in fact lying or in charitable terms, misleading Rogan and others as to what Biden and the government was asking social media sites to look into or take down. Taking down blatant anti vaxx content used to be a "duh yeah pls delete that shit on your platforms", to now for someone like you its all free speech. even blatant, dangerous lies.
Does it trouble you, to see Republican normie voters now see vaccines writ large as a bad thing?
I'll defend Elon's early days at spacex and somewhat at tesla, but yeah, you can jot this down, he speaks outside his area of expertise on everything now, and even his hobby enthusiast knowledge on rocketry and ev cars is starting to wane. ketamine and infinite hunger for power is making his mouth droop and smirk
I'm wondering how you can so matter of factly state that Zuckerberg is lying about conversations that you were not privy to
On January 19 2025 09:07 BlackJack wrote: I don't know if I would call something "well documented" just because you've read it on reddit or twitter by some nameless sources with a personal vendetta
I mean sure it’s possible, there is plenty of it that’s pretty consistent though. Or things that aren’t nameless that broadly corroborate such tales tangentially.
I mean you’re talking a couple of years of the odd thing on Reddit or Twitter, but I do recall plenty. I especially recall Musk getting schooled on Twitter by one of his engineers, not abrasively at all, who then quickly became an ex-engineer.
Or working for a company and us having a laugh that one of Twitter’s biggest outages came when they fired and nuked the credentials of the only employee who had access to our product during the initial mass firing phase.
Amongst other things. I know most of my programmer/programming adjacent buddies who were still warmly disposed or neutral on him started to feel he’s full of shit, because he would talk so much bullshit about an area of their expertise.
I wouldn’t say it’s immutable proof of certain charges, but it does seem rather cumulatively plausible. In mitigation perhaps his management style works differently in the context of a company he was involved in shaping, rather than one he acquired with a different ethos.
A couple pages back MP said Zuckerberg's claim that the Biden White House pressured him to delete posts related to vaccine side effects was bogus and a lie.
But apparently some nameless ex-employees who we can't even source but we remember reading something about on Reddit and Twitter speak the gospel. If only Zuckerberg had as much credibility as some unknown mid-level employee on Twitter whose upset that their company was acquired by Musk and maybe has an agenda. I'm filing the uneven levels of skepticism being applied here under "I'm going to believe what I want to believe."
Of course Zuckerberg has negative credibility. He has been on an ass-kissing mission to prove to Trump he's a good boy by making culture war gestures such as removing tampons from men's bathrooms at Meta. A performative gesture far below his pay grade.
And of course adding them in the first place was also performative, he doesn't have any principles or believe in anything, none of them do. That's what they have in common, a remarkable lack of spine, sense of guilt or shame. This is a requirement.
What he said isn't technically a lie. Someone spreading pure fiction such as 'vaccines make you sterile', without even anecdotal evidence let alone case studies, is technically just 'talking about side effects'. Governments asking social media companies to do something about that is a good thing. Zuckerberg obviously knows this, what he's doing now to score good boy points with Trump is packaging that benign request into nefarious "Biden made me hide the troof!" allusions.
Inconveniently for you, Zuckerberg's claims are corroborated by internal messaging from the Twitter team. They described the Biden team as "very angry" in their meetings and they were demanding to know why certain users weren't being banned off the platform.
Lauren Culbertson, Twitter’s head of US public policy, had detailed the White House’s pressure campaign in a series of meetings, according to Zweig.
Culbertson said in her notes that the administration was “very angry” that Twitter had not taken more aggressive action in silencing vaccine critics and wanted the company to do more, files showed.
Contrary to your claim that it was merely crackpots spreading pure fiction that were in need of being censored, there were also medical professionals with serious credentials that were being shot down for posting legitimate opinions
Among those users whom Twitter did clamp down on was Dr. Martin Kulldorff, an epidemiologist at Harvard Medical School who tweeted in March 2021 that people “with prior natural infection do not need” the COVID-19 vaccine, “[n]or [do] children.”
Kulldorff’s tweet was flagged by the site as “misleading” — even though it was in line with the vaccine policies of “numerous other countries,” Zweig wrote.
Another doctor, Andrew Bostom of Rhode Island, was permanently suspended after tweeting the results of negative studies about the vaccines and highlighting data that coronavirus was less dangerous in children than the flu — information that Zweig wrote was “legitimate but inconvenient to the public health establishment’s narrative about the risks of flu versus Covid in children.”
On January 19 2025 09:29 Magic Powers wrote: I can find info on firing 50% of coders based on lines written pretty easily. Don't know if multiple sources popping up right away counts as "well documented", but it surely doesn't require more than a quick search.
My 2 cents would be that Elon is generally vastly underestimating the abilities of other people (most recently gamers) and vastly overestimating his own. So I can certainly see this kind of overbearing layoff method happening under his thumb.
I know it's tempting to assume that the first thing you google has a source for the claim but if you read the article you've cited you'd realize it says nothing about Musk firing 50% of coders based on lines of code written.
It's looking even harder to find a source for this claim than for the wild claim that Tesla makes over 4000 cars a week. Perhaps Savanna Fibre Internet has an article on it.
But let's look at what we do have:
On Friday afternoon, we learned that Elon Musk had asked any of the Twitter employees who “actually write software” to “email [him] a bullet point summary of what your code commits have achieved in the past ~6 months, along with up to 10 screenshots of the most salient lines of code.”
Musk is clearly going with what he knows (code) and not what he should be working on (culture). Assuming that he can read the code of Twitter’s software engineers and use it for any kind of decision making is pure hubris. But what did we expect? This is Elon Musk. He will likely continue to plow headfirst into Twitter pushing anyone out of his way that pushes back. He’ll look at a room full of engineers and silently judge them because he’s sure he’s the smartest one in the room all the while confusing cleverness with wisdom.
This is another case of billionaire entitlement: Just because you're the boss or owner of a company, that doesn't give you the right to evaluate workers as if engineers who contribute more are somehow "better" than others. The real issue is culture. Twitter had a culture of innovation and a corporate atmosphere of people who were not just in political lockstep. Since becoming X all they have is subscriptions, ad revenue for creators, integrated AI, faster and smoother response, seamless video and compelling feeds that aren't just syndicating top internet newspapers, with neutrally editorialized community organization and sunsetting of popcorn brain hashtags. Now although there's no direct evidence that Musk compiled a list of engineers in order of how many lines of code they had written and fired the bottom half (not even a claim made by the infamous Ligma and Johnson that the media found outside Twitter HQ), it's exactly the type of thing he would do.
On January 19 2025 09:07 BlackJack wrote: I don't know if I would call something "well documented" just because you've read it on reddit or twitter by some nameless sources with a personal vendetta
I mean sure it’s possible, there is plenty of it that’s pretty consistent though. Or things that aren’t nameless that broadly corroborate such tales tangentially.
I mean you’re talking a couple of years of the odd thing on Reddit or Twitter, but I do recall plenty. I especially recall Musk getting schooled on Twitter by one of his engineers, not abrasively at all, who then quickly became an ex-engineer.
Or working for a company and us having a laugh that one of Twitter’s biggest outages came when they fired and nuked the credentials of the only employee who had access to our product during the initial mass firing phase.
Amongst other things. I know most of my programmer/programming adjacent buddies who were still warmly disposed or neutral on him started to feel he’s full of shit, because he would talk so much bullshit about an area of their expertise.
I wouldn’t say it’s immutable proof of certain charges, but it does seem rather cumulatively plausible. In mitigation perhaps his management style works differently in the context of a company he was involved in shaping, rather than one he acquired with a different ethos.
A couple pages back MP said Zuckerberg's claim that the Biden White House pressured him to delete posts related to vaccine side effects was bogus and a lie.
But apparently some nameless ex-employees who we can't even source but we remember reading something about on Reddit and Twitter speak the gospel. If only Zuckerberg had as much credibility as some unknown mid-level employee on Twitter whose upset that their company was acquired by Musk and maybe has an agenda. I'm filing the uneven levels of skepticism being applied here under "I'm going to believe what I want to believe."
Of course Zuckerberg has negative credibility. He has been on an ass-kissing mission to prove to Trump he's a good boy by making culture war gestures such as removing tampons from men's bathrooms at Meta. A performative gesture far below his pay grade.
And of course adding them in the first place was also performative, he doesn't have any principles or believe in anything, none of them do. That's what they have in common, a remarkable lack of spine, sense of guilt or shame. This is a requirement.
What he said isn't technically a lie. Someone spreading pure fiction such as 'vaccines make you sterile', without even anecdotal evidence let alone case studies, is technically just 'talking about side effects'. Governments asking social media companies to do something about that is a good thing. Zuckerberg obviously knows this, what he's doing now to score good boy points with Trump is packaging that benign request into nefarious "Biden made me hide the troof!" allusions.
Inconveniently for you, Zuckerberg's claims are corroborated by internal messaging from the Twitter team. They described the Biden team as "very angry" in their meetings and they were demanding to know why certain users weren't being banned off the platform.
Lauren Culbertson, Twitter’s head of US public policy, had detailed the White House’s pressure campaign in a series of meetings, according to Zweig.
Culbertson said in her notes that the administration was “very angry” that Twitter had not taken more aggressive action in silencing vaccine critics and wanted the company to do more, files showed.
Contrary to your claim that it was merely crackpots spreading pure fiction that were in need of being censored, there were also medical professionals with serious credentials that were being shot down for posting legitimate opinions
Among those users whom Twitter did clamp down on was Dr. Martin Kulldorff, an epidemiologist at Harvard Medical School who tweeted in March 2021 that people “with prior natural infection do not need” the COVID-19 vaccine, “[n]or [do] children.”
Kulldorff’s tweet was flagged by the site as “misleading” — even though it was in line with the vaccine policies of “numerous other countries,” Zweig wrote.
Another doctor, Andrew Bostom of Rhode Island, was permanently suspended after tweeting the results of negative studies about the vaccines and highlighting data that coronavirus was less dangerous in children than the flu — information that Zweig wrote was “legitimate but inconvenient to the public health establishment’s narrative about the risks of flu versus Covid in children.”
From your same link:
Zweig’s research found that much of Twitter’s COVID content moderation was conducted by bots “too crude for such nuanced work,” and contractors in places like the Philippines, whose non-medical expertise resulted in a “significant error rate.”
Ok, so some false positives got swept along as would have happened even under much better circumstances. How is this inconvenient for me? I was talking about the intent rather than the execution. Tech companies have the most imbalanced ratio of capital to labor share of any industry, of course it was going to be half-assedly automated.
As a side note, I'll never understand why anti-vaxers feel vindicated today. Hundreds of millions of us took multiple shots and we're still going about our lives without extra limbs or our dicks falling off.
On January 19 2025 09:07 BlackJack wrote: I don't know if I would call something "well documented" just because you've read it on reddit or twitter by some nameless sources with a personal vendetta
I mean sure it’s possible, there is plenty of it that’s pretty consistent though. Or things that aren’t nameless that broadly corroborate such tales tangentially.
I mean you’re talking a couple of years of the odd thing on Reddit or Twitter, but I do recall plenty. I especially recall Musk getting schooled on Twitter by one of his engineers, not abrasively at all, who then quickly became an ex-engineer.
Or working for a company and us having a laugh that one of Twitter’s biggest outages came when they fired and nuked the credentials of the only employee who had access to our product during the initial mass firing phase.
Amongst other things. I know most of my programmer/programming adjacent buddies who were still warmly disposed or neutral on him started to feel he’s full of shit, because he would talk so much bullshit about an area of their expertise.
I wouldn’t say it’s immutable proof of certain charges, but it does seem rather cumulatively plausible. In mitigation perhaps his management style works differently in the context of a company he was involved in shaping, rather than one he acquired with a different ethos.
A couple pages back MP said Zuckerberg's claim that the Biden White House pressured him to delete posts related to vaccine side effects was bogus and a lie.
But apparently some nameless ex-employees who we can't even source but we remember reading something about on Reddit and Twitter speak the gospel. If only Zuckerberg had as much credibility as some unknown mid-level employee on Twitter whose upset that their company was acquired by Musk and maybe has an agenda. I'm filing the uneven levels of skepticism being applied here under "I'm going to believe what I want to believe."
Of course Zuckerberg has negative credibility. He has been on an ass-kissing mission to prove to Trump he's a good boy by making culture war gestures such as removing tampons from men's bathrooms at Meta. A performative gesture far below his pay grade.
And of course adding them in the first place was also performative, he doesn't have any principles or believe in anything, none of them do. That's what they have in common, a remarkable lack of spine, sense of guilt or shame. This is a requirement.
What he said isn't technically a lie. Someone spreading pure fiction such as 'vaccines make you sterile', without even anecdotal evidence let alone case studies, is technically just 'talking about side effects'. Governments asking social media companies to do something about that is a good thing. Zuckerberg obviously knows this, what he's doing now to score good boy points with Trump is packaging that benign request into nefarious "Biden made me hide the troof!" allusions.
Inconveniently for you, Zuckerberg's claims are corroborated by internal messaging from the Twitter team. They described the Biden team as "very angry" in their meetings and they were demanding to know why certain users weren't being banned off the platform.
Lauren Culbertson, Twitter’s head of US public policy, had detailed the White House’s pressure campaign in a series of meetings, according to Zweig.
Culbertson said in her notes that the administration was “very angry” that Twitter had not taken more aggressive action in silencing vaccine critics and wanted the company to do more, files showed.
Contrary to your claim that it was merely crackpots spreading pure fiction that were in need of being censored, there were also medical professionals with serious credentials that were being shot down for posting legitimate opinions
Among those users whom Twitter did clamp down on was Dr. Martin Kulldorff, an epidemiologist at Harvard Medical School who tweeted in March 2021 that people “with prior natural infection do not need” the COVID-19 vaccine, “[n]or [do] children.”
Kulldorff’s tweet was flagged by the site as “misleading” — even though it was in line with the vaccine policies of “numerous other countries,” Zweig wrote.
Another doctor, Andrew Bostom of Rhode Island, was permanently suspended after tweeting the results of negative studies about the vaccines and highlighting data that coronavirus was less dangerous in children than the flu — information that Zweig wrote was “legitimate but inconvenient to the public health establishment’s narrative about the risks of flu versus Covid in children.”
Zweig’s research found that much of Twitter’s COVID content moderation was conducted by bots “too crude for such nuanced work,” and contractors in places like the Philippines, whose non-medical expertise resulted in a “significant error rate.”
Ok, so some false positives got swept along as would have happened even under much better circumstances. How is this inconvenient for me? I was talking about the intent rather than the execution. Tech companies have the most imbalanced ratio of capital to labor share of any industry, of course it was going to be half-assedly automated.
As a side note, I'll never understand why anti-vaxers feel vindicated today. Hundreds of millions of us took multiple shots and we're still going about our lives without extra limbs or our dicks falling off.
They pushed to have Alex Berenson banned which you can't blame on bots or filipinos
In a Slack message from April 2021, an unidentified Twitter employee said the adminstration “had one really tough question about why Alex Berenson hasn’t been kicked off from the platform”.
“It doesn’t stop infection. Or transmission. Don’t think of it as a vaccine,” Berenson had tweeted.
“Think of it — at best — as a therapeutic with a limited window of efficacy and terrible side effect profile that must be dosed IN ADVANCE OF ILLNESS,” he also wrote.
If you say the vaccine doesn't stop transmission you get banned for spreading misinformation but if you say that if you take the vaccine you won't get infected it's perfectly fine. My 3 shots didn't make my dick fall off but it also didn't stop me from getting COVID.
EPT
