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On August 21 2025 20:48 hexhaven wrote:German prosecutors say a man suspected to be one of the coordinators of the Nordstream attack has been arrested in Italy. AP linkShow nested quote +
A Ukrainian citizen man suspected to be one of the coordinators of the undersea explosions in 2022 that damaged the Nord Stream gas pipelines between Russia and Germany has been arrested, German prosecutors said Thursday.
The suspect, identified only as Serhii K. in line with German privacy rules, was arrested overnight by officers from a police station in Misano Adriatrico, near the Italian city of Rimini, federal prosecutors said.
And not much more details than that. I'd imagine they want to move him to Germany eventually.
Whether this man truly represents Ukraine or Russia, it's interesting to note how he chose not to stay in either country.
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On August 21 2025 21:16 Excludos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2025 18:56 zeo wrote:Remember kids. You only achieve something if you kill a lot of civilians. The Israel shill lobby in the Palestine thread must love you. Glad you finally came out of your shell and told us what being a Russian sympathizer is really like But I'm sure you are happy about the 574 drones and 40 ballistic and cruise missiles managing to hit a whopping, checks notes, a single American factory.. That's definitively a great success!
You mean the military targets and personnel losses under complete censorship and multi-year jail sentances if you take pictures and videos of hits?
574 drones and 40 missiles and no weddings or refugee camps hit. I can see why you think mission failed
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In the western city of Lviv, one person was killed and three were injured as the attack damaged 26 residential buildings, a kindergarten and administrative buildings
That is all they hit, residential areas, and this is what you are defending. I'm sure you are one of the fuckheads who likes to whine about civilian casualties of when NATO bombed your sad little Russia wannabe country into submission.
You are so deep into Russian propaganda that you aren't able to look at the map and see how thoroughly they have been whalloped out of Pokrovsk, the same Pokrovsk which they have been trying to get for more then a year with tens upon tens of thousands of casualties for absolutely no gain. They are back where they were in August 2024.
Incredibly ironic to mention censorship while being on your knees in front of Vlad who throws people in jail for 15 years over calling his "SMO" a war.
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On August 21 2025 21:50 Jankisa wrote:Show nested quote +In the western city of Lviv, one person was killed and three were injured as the attack damaged 26 residential buildings, a kindergarten and administrative buildings That is all they hit, residential areas, and this is what you are defending. I'm sure you are one of the fuckheads who likes to whine about civilian casualties of when NATO bombed your sad little Russia wannabe country into submission. You are so deep into Russian propaganda that you aren't able to look at the map and see how thoroughly they have been whalloped out of Pokrovsk, the same Pokrovsk which they have been trying to get for more then a year with tens upon tens of thousands of casualties for absolutely no gain. They are back where they were in August 2024.
Don't take the bait. I made the same mistake. It's beneath us, and all it does is lower the IQ of the room. He pops up at random intervals, spews garbage, then disappears as people try to counter him with any sort of evidence, only to do it all over again a month later. This moron should have been banned years ago, but seeing as he isn't, it's best to just let him sit and stew in his own bubble and not engage.
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The intervals aren't random.
It's allways when something supposedly "good" happens for Russia.
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On August 21 2025 21:54 Excludos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2025 21:50 Jankisa wrote:In the western city of Lviv, one person was killed and three were injured as the attack damaged 26 residential buildings, a kindergarten and administrative buildings That is all they hit, residential areas, and this is what you are defending. I'm sure you are one of the fuckheads who likes to whine about civilian casualties of when NATO bombed your sad little Russia wannabe country into submission. You are so deep into Russian propaganda that you aren't able to look at the map and see how thoroughly they have been whalloped out of Pokrovsk, the same Pokrovsk which they have been trying to get for more then a year with tens upon tens of thousands of casualties for absolutely no gain. They are back where they were in August 2024. Don't take the bait. I made the same mistake. It's beneath us, and all it does is lower the IQ of the room. He pops up at random intervals, spews garbage, then disappears as people try to counter him with any sort of evidence, only to do it all over again a month later. This moron should have been banned years ago, but seeing as he isn't, it's best to just let him sit and stew in his own bubble and not engage.
Agreed. There is literally nothing to gain from interacting with zeo. All of us have experienced that ad nauseum throughout this thread. Nothing you can say will ever achieve anything with that one. You might think that if you just say the right thing, the smart answer, point out that incredibly obvious hypocrisy, something will change.
But it never does. You can look back and get three years of that throughout this thread.
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For a lot of these guys I assume they participate in other threads more closely aligned to gaming, so if they have stupid, propaganda ridden opinions to come down here and spew every now and then I don't see the reason to ban them.
This guy also seems like a very typical "Russkiy mir" Serbian ("Velika Srbija") who thinks they are all brothers working on the goals of their territorial expansion hand and hand, with Serbia being even more pathetic in it then Russia is, they use all the same tactics, you name it, from using ethnic enclaves as excuses to stir shit up, to being perpetual victims of "western propaganda" and NATO.
At least the politicians from our part of the world (and this includes my president) have some benefits from doing this, they get "business deals" and other forms of bribes, this pathetic little guy just bought it hook, line and sinker and regurgitates this shit because he thinks it makes him feel better about "his people".
I don't think that makes him ban worthy, just worthy of pity.
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On August 21 2025 22:08 Velr wrote:
The intervals aren't random.
It's allways when something supposedly "good" happens for Russia.
I really dont have the time and energy to be a regular 10x a day poster in this thread, or rarely a once a week poster because I dont have the time to follow up. In general whatever is written will get a 'lol no u poopoo head' answer, and while that boulder was easier to push up a hill in my youth, letting go and laughing at the various cope is much less time demanding. As I wrote last year, the outcome of the war was determened in 2023, and everything after is just filler on the way to its inevitable conclusion.
Though when I see something particularly stupid posted here I do reply. And its usually in response to mega-cope when something supposedly 'good' happens for Russia now that I think about it. How will such and such be compared to WW2? How many bajillions have died this time in the shovel waves? Russian ruble is surely rubble this time guys, the youtuber told me last night! Its fascinating.
Looking at my neighbour Jankisa churning out silly multi paragraph rage-bait posts one after the other reminds me of how happy and vindicated I am for all of my postitions I held.
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I find it very cute that you are completely unable to engage when your raging hypocrisy is pointed out.
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"Military personnel shouldn't be bound by OPSEC" is weird even from our resident war crimes apologist.
On August 21 2025 21:20 Excludos wrote:
Whether this man truly represents Ukraine or Russia, it's interesting to note how he chose not to stay in either country.
Probably makes sense, but not sure why he didn't leave Europe entirely. I think it was last year that a team of journalists tracked down some of the alleged perpetrators to a town in Ukraine, and interviewed some neighbors, but that didn't really lead anywhere.
It's been almost 3 years now, and there's still plenty left to uncover.
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On August 21 2025 23:24 Jankisa wrote:
I find it very cute that you are completely unable to engage when your raging hypocrisy is pointed out.
Why are you even crashing out over this? You flood the thread with logical fallacies and (laughable) ragebait and get angry when I don't address every single spam sentence. I'm reading through the last page and I guess you are talking about how I wrote about the strict censorship Kiev has imposed regarding military losses. And you seem to imply that your answer to that is 'well Russia throws people in jail for calling the SMO a war'?
Again, I'm not sure if this is your 'raging hypocrisy', and ok, I'll skip the low hanging fruit answer of just calling what you said whataboutism. How do you think this conversation will go?
Ill ask you: well, how many people have been thrown in jail for 15 years for calling the SMO a war? That should be easy
You'll Google it, find nothing besides people committing literal treason being sent to jail, maybe a kid being given 5 years for conspiracy to commit treason and even those have 'it came to me in a dream' sources where each NGO claims that the another NGO is its source and you can never really find out where the story started. Ten years prison for sending money to the Ukrainian army? We only sent people that financed Al-Qaeda to Guantanamo Bay, not labor camps!
Your statement 'Russia throws people in jail for calling the SMO a war' is actually about a Law against spreading misinformation, which carries a max penalty of 15 years. But you don't care you never looked it up. Don't look at the statistics about the amount of people arrested in the United Kingdom over 'speech crimes' under similar Laws. That would be whataboutism! You're only allowed to compare things to WW2! Only trained Professional Fascism Noticers are allowed to find correlation or similarity between two things and only if one of those things are said to be literally Hitler. Directly addressing your claim and then adding a footnote about similar things in other countries? Thats crazy talk unless that similar thing is about WW2.
You will then pivot to some other whacky conspiracy theory you read on Reddit and the cycle will start all over again. Or pretend nothing happened and move on to the next 50 paragraphs someone has to spend hours answering. Or grab onto one sentence out of my entire post and formulate a sad attempt at a gotcha. Its all so tiresome. The worst part is you'll just say it again in a few months and pretend nothing happened like that guy mentioning 3 day SMO after its been debunked 50x.
Over the last few months Ive been only posting in this thread when I come across incredibly stupid posts that are a slam dunk to easily ridicule and disprove. Its a simple life, if it makes someone pause before posting something from a source named oRkKiLLa1488slavaUKRAINI... well... its something at least. And enough for me.
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I think the biggest problem for people like zeo in this thread is that you won't really find many Russian sympathizers here who would actually wish for Russia to succeed.
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On August 22 2025 02:48 Manit0u wrote:
I think the biggest problem for people like zeo in this thread is that you won't really find many Russian sympathizers here who would actually wish for Russia to succeed.
I doubt he's cheering on innocent people dying because he wants to be popular.
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On August 22 2025 02:53 LightSpectra wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2025 02:48 Manit0u wrote:
I think the biggest problem for people like zeo in this thread is that you won't really find many Russian sympathizers here who would actually wish for Russia to succeed. I doubt he's cheering on innocent people dying because he wants to be popular.
True, he thinks Ukrainians are subhumans who deserve to be killed for opposing Daddy Putin.
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On August 22 2025 01:26 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2025 23:24 Jankisa wrote:
I find it very cute that you are completely unable to engage when your raging hypocrisy is pointed out. Why are you even crashing out over this? You flood the thread with logical fallacies and (laughable) ragebait and get angry when I don't address every single spam sentence. I'm reading through the last page and I guess you are talking about how I wrote about the strict censorship Kiev has imposed regarding military losses. And you seem to imply that your answer to that is 'well Russia throws people in jail for calling the SMO a war'? Again, I'm not sure if this is your 'raging hypocrisy', and ok, I'll skip the low hanging fruit answer of just calling what you said whataboutism. How do you think this conversation will go? Ill ask you: well, how many people have been thrown in jail for 15 years for calling the SMO a war? That should be easy You'll Google it, find nothing besides people committing literal treason being sent to jail, maybe a kid being given 5 years for conspiracy to commit treason and even those have 'it came to me in a dream' sources where each NGO claims that the another NGO is its source and you can never really find out where the story started. Ten years prison for sending money to the Ukrainian army? We only sent people that financed Al-Qaeda to Guantanamo Bay, not labor camps! Your statement 'Russia throws people in jail for calling the SMO a war' is actually about a Law against spreading misinformation, which carries a max penalty of 15 years. But you don't care you never looked it up. Don't look at the statistics about the amount of people arrested in the United Kingdom over 'speech crimes' under similar Laws. That would be whataboutism! You're only allowed to compare things to WW2! Only trained Professional Fascism Noticers are allowed to find correlation or similarity between two things and only if one of those things are said to be literally Hitler. Directly addressing your claim and then adding a footnote about similar things in other countries? Thats crazy talk unless that similar thing is about WW2. You will then pivot to some other whacky conspiracy theory you read on Reddit and the cycle will start all over again. Or pretend nothing happened and move on to the next 50 paragraphs someone has to spend hours answering. Or grab onto one sentence out of my entire post and formulate a sad attempt at a gotcha. Its all so tiresome. The worst part is you'll just say it again in a few months and pretend nothing happened like that guy mentioning 3 day SMO after its been debunked 50x. Over the last few months Ive been only posting in this thread when I come across incredibly stupid posts that are a slam dunk to easily ridicule and disprove. Its a simple life, if it makes someone pause before posting something from a source named oRkKiLLa1488slavaUKRAINI... well... its something at least. And enough for me.
I know you don't care but there you go, a nice collection:
PBS NewsHour: Russian politician sentenced to over 8 years for criticism of war in Ukraine
Amnesty International: Russia: Journalist sentenced to seven years for speaking out against war
PBS NewsHour: Russian activist convicted of treason over Ukraine war criticism, given 25 years
VOA: Kremlin critic convicted again, handed new prison term for opposing war in Ukraine
Al Jazeera: Russia jails journalist for publishing reports about civilian deaths in Bucha and Mariupol
The Guardian: Russia detains opposition politician for calling Ukraine war 'an invasion'
None of these are "treason" or sending money to Ukraine, they are all about speaking the truth. I do care, unlike you, who very likely never left your country and are probably spending your free time spitting at student protectors, I've talked to many Russians with who I worked with and who left that country after the war started.
I don't have to spend my time researching conspiracy theories, that is the purview of people who don't have the truth on their side, hateful, sad little people who have been brainwashed from birth by a toxic environment.
This is why I said I pity you, ultimately, it's not your fault, you were just born in the wrong place and you aren't smart enough to resist your programming, neither is your fault.
What is your fault is your ridiculously high opinion of yourself and the things you write, it's not original, it's just regurgitating very obvious propaganda and misinformation with typical conspiracy theorist (plus some dumb memes mixed in) rhetoric of someone who read the wiki article about logical fallacies without actually understanding a word.
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On August 21 2025 11:44 ETisME wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2025 02:13 Billyboy wrote:On August 20 2025 11:28 ETisME wrote:On August 20 2025 10:05 Billyboy wrote:On August 20 2025 09:58 ETisME wrote:On August 20 2025 09:03 Billyboy wrote:On August 19 2025 16:26 ETisME wrote:On August 19 2025 08:11 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Gonna be honest. Wasnt expecting Trump to be the one getting this conflict ( Paused/Resolved )
I mean hell. Not long ago he fcking striked Iran nuclear plants or w.e.and i was like shit. Looks like another one about to start. Hopefully this time a deal can be done and Ukraine will back to a life were being under siege isnt the norm after 3.5 years. So many young lives going to dust is actually so sad. Whole generations fucked. Truly a tragedy. "I think in the past two weeks, we've probably had more progress in ending this war than we have in the past three-and-a-half years." Great slogan but also very true. Which nation really pushed hard for talks? Some gave proposals and then ended it there, like China. EU and Biden were more about giving arms and sleep walked into an endless pit and not knowing how to stop. It's unfortunate how long it took to get them accept reality that Ukraine isn't going to recapture all the lost land, Russia isn't collapsing as predicted, or crying "justice" "existential crisis" ain't enough Out of curiosity, why do you trust the Trump narrative on this? Like it could be correct, it is not like he is wrong 100% of the time. But he is the least truth public person in the world. Even in this conflict, he was going to solve it in a day, then a month, then there was a cease fire, then another, then big sanctions unless Putin stopped, the times on that changed multiple times, and now we have this. Like sure actual long lasting peace would be great, even at a fairly high cost. But why act like Trump is telling the truth before anything actually happens? And I do not even need to go into how egregiously untruthful he is in personal life (cheating on women, at golf, lying about weight and height, taking covid shots, the list goes on. Or in his policy (changing maps with sharpies, wall is needed and Mexico will pay, Epstein files, TACO,) I mean the list of things he has boasted about not coming true is certainly WAY longer than what has. Why not wait and see? I think there is a much greater chance of nothing coming from this than what Trump suggests and if something does come from it, it will almost certainly be different than what Trump has said. How likely is Ukraine going to recapture the lost terrain? Did Ukraine lose out more territories year after year? Who has been pushing for negotiations, than just non stop arms supplies and thinking Ukraine will sort it all out. These are actual facts. If we look at European leaders (who you probably view them much better), did they do anything to bring the whole thing closer to an end? Or just sustain what is happening (which is what politically easiest for them to do) That's the problem I have with people who just judge the person. Looking at these flaws are just silly, people can be controversial and still be effective. Like Elon false promises, missed timeline, inheritance etc You'd hope we want to have more people reshaping industries, than looking for a saint and treating it like afternoon tabloid. Those are questions not facts, and I can easily ask some that change the narrative in the same way you tried to. There are a whole bunch of facts at play. I'm in the camp of the Ukrainians should have agency on what happens. Given that they are a democracy who was illegally invaded strong arming them into submission seems like both an awful and bitch move. If they want fight, support that, if they want to make peace support that. But it is crazy to take what Trump says at face value, it is almost never the truth. Yeah those are questions you should be asking yourself what are the answers to. These aren't even narrative. It's fact with figures to reference to. Even the conservative K/d ratio to be even is 1:4, which it is roughly just 1:3 now, let alone a counter offence potential. 3 years of constant flow of money, arms supplies, resources etc are plenty and it's still losing terrain one after the other. At some point you gotta ask what's option B? If you don't want an option B then sure donate your entire networth and go join the front as volunteers. Otherwise don't act shocked there's plenty wondering why there hasn't been an option B yet and that it's making progress. Sure, but they have lost territory of 1% in 3 years, pretty insignificant right? The people supplying them all have robust economies that are doing fine and are most of the biggest in the world. Russia on the other hand is bank rolling this war on their own. They can purchase things from their "allies" but there is no gifts or loans. And I put allies in "" because they showed how much support they will give to them when they are in trouble (Syria and Iran) so they are not going to get anything without a very high price. It is factual that Russia is doing much worse, it is fact that offense is more expensive than defense, it is fact that you lose more troops, it is fact that they had a whole bunch of legacy equipment, it is also fact that most of that is gone, it is fact that they built up a huge war chest, it is fact that most of that is gone, it is fact that their oil sales are down and at a much lower price, it is fact that their capacity has shrunk do to kinetic sanctions from Ukraine (drones and missiles), they are also using tons more fuel themselves. It is factual that Russia is attracting their soldiers with huge monetary bonuses and very high salaries. Where is all that money coming from? How much infrastructure within your boarders do you let slip to fund the war? It is fact that Ukraine is hitting that infrastructure. It is fact that Russia is making WAY less and spending WAY WAY more. It is also fact that USSR collapsed in large part because of Afghanistan. It is fact that this is way more expensive in every way. Heck the US pulled out of Afghanistan in large part due to the cost and they were not even fighting the expensive peer to peer army. Will Russia collapse tomorrow, or a year from now, or a decade from now. I do not know. But acting like they are not facing huge economic pressure is completely removed from reality. There is no way a cost benefit analysis would show this as a win. How long will they keep going to gain like 1% per even 2 years at this huge long term cost? And why? It is purely a ego thing, no one actually believes Ukraine was going to ever attach Russia, with or without NATO. Whereas Ukraine has tons of current reasons, and the EU (even America if they had a sensible leader) have tons of current and historical reasons to stop them. How much weaker and poorer is Russia now then in 2022? And where are you getting your information? Because I have no seen any links or anything but it seems like just talk that is the Russian narrative (big tough Russia can never be stopped) and what Trump says. Do you think either of those are remotely accurate? Is everyone else, all these economists wrong? There is tons of pressure on Russia to stop, the only pressure on Ukraine is will Trump chicken out (which I mean is pretty likely even if it benefits the US to participate and sell arms) and if he does will the EU be able to pick up the slack (looks like they can). So the question becomes can the Ukraine, supported by the EU, England, Canada, Japan, Australia out last Russia. I would think they can. And I do not see the pace picking up. If anything it will go down, hell Russia announced it will be spending less on its military next year. This is where the contradictory is. If Russia is as damaged as implied, there's no reason why Ukraine with a stronger EU backing security guarantee, cannot recover faster than Russia. If we are to follow Kwark incredible mindset, the only option for Ukraine is to take down Russia, since Russia will always want to swallow up Ukraine according to him. Obviously just taking down invasion wouldn't be enough. Ukraine has no counter offensive capabilities, at least I don't see it, even with both US and EU support. There's not enough men, especially ones that are experienced have been on the battlefield since the start. All these years with close to 0 negotiation attempts, is still putting Ukraine on a worse position, yes even if it's just 1% or stagnant. And there will always be pressure on both Ukraine and Russia to stop the war. Both internal or external. As for EU stepping up, well Germany saying they can't afford to deploy troops for security guarantee says it all about their ability/willingness to commit. So if Ukraine don't have the counter offensive ability, then how do you see Ukraine getting all the lost terrain without Russia collapsing?
It appears Trump now agrees(at least today) that Putin is the problem and negotiations are not going to work. So he is talking about arming Ukraine so they can do more offense. I hope that means allowing Ukraine to use their American stock to strike deep into Russia, and giving them more longer range weapons. And then I hope Ukraine ups their already effective campaign of hitting Russian refineries and other oil infrastructure.
But then again it is Trump so who knows what he will think tomorrow.
“It is very hard, if not impossible, to win a war without attacking an invaders country. It’s like a great team in sports that has a fantastic defense, but is not allowed to play offense. There is no chance of winning! It is like that with Ukraine and Russia. Crooked and grossly incompetent Joe Biden would not let Ukraine FIGHT BACK, only DEFEND. How did that work out? … Interesting times ahead!!!” Trump wrote.
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It'll be the same as with new sanctions that he promised.
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Ahh, so you don't really go to jail for calling the SMO a war. You go to jail for being on the payroll of foriegn entities and enemies at a time of war. Weird how these cases slowed down when USAID money dried up, so wierd? Though the guy you linked that used to kidnap and torture drug addicts( and dealers) needed convincing the least.
Glad we got that out of the way, feel free to go back to your low effort ad hominems
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On August 22 2025 14:01 zeo wrote:
Ahh, so you don't really go to jail for calling the SMO a war. You go to jail for being on the payroll of foriegn entities and enemies at a time of war. Weird how these cases slowed down when USAID money dried up, so wierd? Though the guy you linked that used to kidnap and torture drug addicts( and dealers) needed convincing the least.
Glad we got that out of the way, feel free to go back to your low effort ad hominems
Why are you even here? No one here is going to be convinced by your bullshit, and you literally do nothing else on this site. What's the point?
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