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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 21 2022 00:37 GMT
#1241
Apparently Norway(?) has done the same.

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lasncf
Profile Joined March 2022
7 Posts
March 21 2022 03:40 GMT
#1242
it's already 4weeks passed...why russians pushed so gently? maybe they just wanted to dig out the nazis without bombing those cities to stones, and the nazis hided behind the civilians, which seems quite successful so far.

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calh
Profile Joined March 2013
537 Posts
March 21 2022 04:16 GMT
#1243
Don't think Russia is being gentle but the Ukraine is not exactly a pushover. Bombing those cities to rubble would be self-defeating even if they have the resources to do so.
Also we should consider that the world is largely seeing the Ukrainian view of the war, and they aren't (and shouldn't be) eager to report all of their military losses. It's very likely that Russian advances have been stopped for a while, but at what cost we don't really know.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15690 Posts
March 21 2022 04:25 GMT
#1244
On March 21 2022 12:40 lasncf wrote:
it's already 4weeks passed...why russians pushed so gently? maybe they just wanted to dig out the nazis without bombing those cities to stones, and the nazis hided behind the civilians, which seems quite successful so far.


Are you saying you think Russia is doing this for the purpose of defeating Nazis?
lasncf
Profile Joined March 2022
7 Posts
March 21 2022 04:27 GMT
#1245
On March 18 2022 20:38 hitthat wrote:
WTF Silvanel, Afghanistan was completely justified invasion. Taliban gouverment had their chances to hang ibn Laden and his closest cooperators but they refused because of some bullshit religous "hospitality" principles. Iraq is, ofc, another story. It was a crime against peace from USA, UK and Poland to invade at the time. If they didn't throw off Saddam during Gulf War (and they should do this back than) than they shouldn't do this at all.

you made me laugh, just imagine, IF we lived in a world where the 3rd Reich win WWII, ppl like you would say"poland was completely justified invasion,they have some bullshit jewish insects." etc.
lasncf
Profile Joined March 2022
7 Posts
March 21 2022 04:31 GMT
#1246
On March 21 2022 13:25 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2022 12:40 lasncf wrote:
it's already 4weeks passed...why russians pushed so gently? maybe they just wanted to dig out the nazis without bombing those cities to stones, and the nazis hided behind the civilians, which seems quite successful so far.


Are you saying you think Russia is doing this for the purpose of defeating Nazis?

yes that's a fact from what I hear, in a world which you obviously doesn't belong to .....
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13955 Posts
March 21 2022 04:58 GMT
#1247
Just because you hear something doesn't mean that it is a fact. Them telling you that's enough to be a fact is why you're able to get brainwashed and why no one respects you.
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Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6931 Posts
March 21 2022 09:05 GMT
#1248
On March 20 2022 23:11 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Doubt this will pass, especially with Germany relying on Russia for heating etc. Unless they somehow manage to find a way to manage without it in 6 months time.



The longer this goes, the more likely it is. With the weather getting warmer and the death count getting higher there is not much reasoning against a complete stop of gas import.
But for now I think Germany at least is trying to find and secure alternatives before shutting down gas and fuel imports from Russia
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r00ty
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany1056 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-21 10:35:33
March 21 2022 10:05 GMT
#1249
On March 21 2022 18:05 Harris1st wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2022 23:11 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Doubt this will pass, especially with Germany relying on Russia for heating etc. Unless they somehow manage to find a way to manage without it in 6 months time.

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1505544694431944705


The longer this goes, the more likely it is. With the weather getting warmer and the death count getting higher there is not much reasoning against a complete stop of gas import.
But for now I think Germany at least is trying to find and secure alternatives before shutting down gas and fuel imports from Russia


Unfortunately we don't use the natural gas exclusively for heating. Around 15-16% (89TWh/a) of German electric power comes from natural gas at the moment. There are large power plants by the providers but moreso, there are small plants in homes and companies being responsible for that. They are part of the energy mix and when you have to shut all of them down, we're in deep trouble. There will be blackouts or energy heavy means of production will have to shut down, when required.

German source, it's self explanatory:
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de.statista.com


Edit: Fun fact, Germany was in the process of adapting its infrastructure, to double that amount till 2030, as NS2 would have gone online. Billions upon billions for nothing.
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-21 12:07:02
March 21 2022 12:06 GMT
#1250
IN the last 4 weeks I heard that
1) Brave defenders of the Snake Island died and were about to be promoted post mortem
2) They surrendered and are alive
3) The ship which was told to go fuck itself was hit and sunk
4) The ship which was told to go fuck itself arrived in the harbord undamaged

At this point it's hard to believe to something.

E.g. Russia hit some mall. There are pictures that there were army trucks hidden there. Now is the picture truly the mall? I don't know, but it's interesting my medie sources weren't mentioning anything like that. Who can you believe then?
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Lwerewolf
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria78 Posts
March 21 2022 12:50 GMT
#1251
There are plenty of cross-confirmed events around that are anything but hard to believe.

Could you please post your sources re: army trucks in the (I assume the Retroville shopping) mall?
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-21 12:58:31
March 21 2022 12:53 GMT
#1252
On March 21 2022 21:50 Lwerewolf wrote:
There are plenty of cross-confirmed events around that are anything but hard to believe.

Could you please post your sources re: army trucks in the (I assume the Retroville shopping) mall?

https://nitter.net/200_zoka/status/1505800889096978432#m

Don't know how much true the pictures are.

Edit> in other words - at this moment I don't trust my media, Ukrainian media and obligatory Russian media. In the immoral words of Dr. House - everybody lies.
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hitthat
Profile Joined January 2010
Poland2267 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-21 13:03:45
March 21 2022 13:01 GMT
#1253
On March 21 2022 13:27 lasncf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2022 20:38 hitthat wrote:
WTF Silvanel, Afghanistan was completely justified invasion. Taliban gouverment had their chances to hang ibn Laden and his closest cooperators but they refused because of some bullshit religous "hospitality" principles. Iraq is, ofc, another story. It was a crime against peace from USA, UK and Poland to invade at the time. If they didn't throw off Saddam during Gulf War (and they should do this back than) than they shouldn't do this at all.

you made me laugh, just imagine, IF we lived in a world where the 3rd Reich win WWII, ppl like you would say"poland was completely justified invasion,they have some bullshit jewish insects." etc.


What an irony it comes from YOUR mouth.

On March 21 2022 13:31 lasncf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2022 13:25 Mohdoo wrote:
On March 21 2022 12:40 lasncf wrote:
it's already 4weeks passed...why russians pushed so gently? maybe they just wanted to dig out the nazis without bombing those cities to stones, and the nazis hided behind the civilians, which seems quite successful so far.


Are you saying you think Russia is doing this for the purpose of defeating Nazis?

yes that's a fact from what I hear, in a world which you obviously doesn't belong to .....


Such a relief.
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deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
March 21 2022 13:10 GMT
#1254
Also according to my contact in the Czech Army it seems Russia is using "ordinary" bombs. According to his words in the NATO trainings they were able to hit with the precision 30 metres at best. At combat he said the precision can be 100 metres or worse. Holy shitballz, they bomb with these cities. 100 meters is huge in a town Just so you know that bombs are ... shitty business. He was pretty disgusted with such usage.
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Lwerewolf
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria78 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-21 13:23:42
March 21 2022 13:22 GMT
#1255
The dumb munitions (i.e. unguided bombs) thing has been in circulation for weeks.

May I suggest a few... you could say "aggregators":

https://old.reddit.com/live/18hnzysb1elcs/ (r/worldnews live thread)
https://old.reddit.com/r/UkrainianConflict/ (mostly everything gets posted here)

As always, take everything with a generous amount of salt, especially posts / news with "tabloid" headlines. There is a whole lot of verified events, though. Wading through all the info becomes exponentially easier over time.
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9198 Posts
March 21 2022 16:31 GMT
#1256
On March 21 2022 21:06 deacon.frost wrote:
IN the last 4 weeks I heard that
1) Brave defenders of the Snake Island died and were about to be promoted post mortem
2) They surrendered and are alive
3) The ship which was told to go fuck itself was hit and sunk
4) The ship which was told to go fuck itself arrived in the harbord undamaged

At this point it's hard to believe to something.

E.g. Russia hit some mall. There are pictures that there were army trucks hidden there. Now is the picture truly the mall? I don't know, but it's interesting my medie sources weren't mentioning anything like that. Who can you believe then?


Why do you need to believe anyone in principle? Yes, some Ukrainian stories turn out to be false, but there is no reason to assume everything coming from their side is always going to be 100% true.
You're now breathing manually
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11350 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-21 18:46:38
March 21 2022 18:42 GMT
#1257
On March 21 2022 22:22 Lwerewolf wrote:
The dumb munitions (i.e. unguided bombs) thing has been in circulation for weeks.

May I suggest a few... you could say "aggregators":

https://old.reddit.com/live/18hnzysb1elcs/ (r/worldnews live thread)
https://old.reddit.com/r/UkrainianConflict/ (mostly everything gets posted here)

As always, take everything with a generous amount of salt, especially posts / news with "tabloid" headlines. There is a whole lot of verified events, though. Wading through all the info becomes exponentially easier over time.

Yes, there was an article I never got around to posting by a Tomas C Theiner who claims to be a Cold War expert.

[image loading]

But be that as it may... back in March 6, he was suggesting that although Zelensky keeps asking for a no fly zone, it's always paired with what he actually needs/ wants: jets and stingers. Essentially, Russia was almost immediately out of smart missiles, which means for their jets to hit anything at all with dumb bombs, they've got to fly slow- slow enough that almost anything can hit it. Flood Ukraine with stingers, and you effectively have your no fly zone. He did not think Russia's air losses were sustainable (Ukraine was taking out 10% of Russia's daily operational aircraft.)

https://medium.com/@noclador/putins-wish-73467b279bfb
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PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32740 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-21 18:59:08
March 21 2022 18:43 GMT
#1258
A pro-Kremlin tabloid is reporting figures from Russia's Defense Ministry at 9,861 dead and 16,153 wounded. Last time we had casualty numbers from Russia was a little under 500 dead. Last time Ukraine released their casualty estimates it was like 14,000 Russians killed, and a conservative American estimate from last week was 7,000 Russians dead.



Russia is saying around 14% of their 190,000 invasion force sustained casualties by my calculations, and from what I read, a military starts to become operationally ineffective at around 20-30% losses. Even Russia is starting to admit that things are getting difficult.

I'd be curious to know about Ukraine's casualties because the closest thing to an evaluation was from the Pentagon around two weeks ago that said Ukraine lost a similar proportion to Russia. Ukraine could also be reaching a danger point too which we have to remember.

(Article went down so if you want to check it out yourself: https://web.archive.org/web/20220321131726/https://www.kp.ru/online/news/4672522/)
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6214 Posts
March 21 2022 18:59 GMT
#1259
Article which goes a little more in depth about overall Russian command. The US has not been able to determine if they have an overall military command and conclude that even if they have one it's inept. See very little coordination between different parts of the military.

These are pretty damning conclusions and show how incompetence runs from top to bottom in the Russian army in my view. Looks like this invasion was destined to become a disaster.


The US has been unable to determine if Russia has designated a military commander responsible for leading the country's war in Ukraine, according to multiple sources familiar with the matter — something that current and former defense officials say is likely a key contributor to the apparent clumsiness and disorganization of the Russian assault.

Without a top, theater-wide commander on the ground in or near Ukraine, units from different Russian military districts operating in different parts of Ukraine appear to be competing for resources rather than coordinating their efforts, according to two US defense officials.

Units participating in different Russian offensives across Ukraine have failed to connect, these sources say, and in fact, appear to be acting independently with no overarching operational design.

Russian forces also appear to be having significant communication issues. Soldiers and commanders have at times used commercial cell phones and other unsecure channels to talk to each other, making their communications easier to intercept and helping Ukraine develop targets for their own counterstrikes.

It's all led to what these sources say has been a disjointed — and at times chaotic — operation that has surprised US and western officials.

"One of the principles of war is 'unity of command,' said CNN military analyst retired Lt. Gen. Mark Hertling, a former commander of the US Army in Europe. "That means someone has to be in overall charge— to coordinate fires, direct logistics, commit reserve forces, measure the success (and failure) of different 'wings' of the operation and adjust actions based on that."
Historically, there have been instances in which Russia has publicized this kind of information, but the Ministry of Defense has not made any reference to a top commander for operations in Ukraine and did not respond to CNN's request for comment on the topic.

And while it is possible that Russia has quietly designated a top commander to oversee the invasion — even if the US has been unable to identify that individual — the state of combat operations would suggest "he's inept," according to Hertling.

The Russian invasion has also been marked by an inordinate number of casualties among high-ranking Russian officers.

The Ukrainians say they have killed five Russian generals during the first three weeks of the war, a claim CNN has not independently confirmed. Still, any military general being killed in combat is a rare event, Retired US Army Gen. David Petraeus told CNN's Jake Tapper during Sunday's State of the Union.

Col. Sergei Sukharev, the commander of an elite Russian airborne unit, was also killed in battle in Ukraine, Russian regional state TV network GTRK Kostroma reported Thursday.

"The bottom line is that their command and control has broken down," said Petraeus.

The sheer size of the invasion has only made things worse. Coordinating operations along a front that measures over 1,000 miles requires "extensive communication capability and command, control and intelligence resources that the Russians just don't have," Hertling added.

"I can't see that anything the navy is doing is coordinated with the anything the air force is doing or anything the land force is doing," said retired Lt. Gen. Ben Hodges, another former commander of the US Army in Europe, who cautioned that he had no inside knowledge of the US understanding of Russia's command structure.

"The Russians have had tremendous difficulties with command and control during this operation at all echelons," echoed a US source familiar with the situation on the ground. "Some of this may be due to actions by the Ukrainians themselves."

On the ground, Russian troops in the field have often been cut off from their senior commanders, sources said.

"The guys in the field go out and they have their objective, but they have no way to radio back [if something goes wrong]," said another source familiar with the intelligence, who added that western officials believe this is part of the reason that some Russian troops have been observed abandoning their own tanks and armored personnel carriers in the field and simply walking away.


edition.cnn.com
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9122 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-21 19:22:38
March 21 2022 19:21 GMT
#1260
On March 22 2022 03:43 PhoenixVoid wrote:
A pro-Kremlin tabloid is reporting figures from Russia's Defense Ministry at 9,861 dead and 16,153 wounded. Last time we had casualty numbers from Russia was a little under 500 dead. Last time Ukraine released their casualty estimates it was like 14,000 Russians killed, and a conservative American estimate from last week was 7,000 Russians dead.

https://twitter.com/mjluxmoore/status/1505973168938307584

Russia is saying around 14% of their 190,000 invasion force sustained casualties by my calculations, and from what I read, a military starts to become operationally ineffective at around 20-30% losses. Even Russia is starting to admit that things are getting difficult.

I'd be curious to know about Ukraine's casualties because the closest thing to an evaluation was from the Pentagon around two weeks ago that said Ukraine lost a similar proportion to Russia. Ukraine could also be reaching a danger point too which we have to remember.

(Article went down so if you want to check it out yourself: https://web.archive.org/web/20220321131726/https://www.kp.ru/online/news/4672522/)

This isn't real, those numbers don't exist anywhere else. Either a screwup by the publisher or some intern activism. Since they were citing a press release from yesterday by Konashenkov it makes no sense they'd have any kind of exclusivity.
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