Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine - Page 546

On October 04 2026 02:25 aseq wrote:


From being "ooh, offended" because of a wrong pronoun back to calling other people stupid because they have a different opinion than you...in 1 post.

On October 04 2026 02:36 LightSpectra wrote:
When people say Israel is far-right they mean the legally-enshrined segregation, rampant police abuse, settlers openly stealing land, etc. I mean if you only look at the white Jews it's a fairly progressive place compared to its neighbors, but their treatment of Arabs/Palestinians feels like it's from another century.

If someone said "the postbellum American South was a great place to live if you ignore the treatment of black people, they were treated better minorities in the Ottoman Empire at least" you'd probably laugh in their face.

On October 04 2026 02:25 Billyboy wrote:

Does Isreal have far right policies in regards to lgbt, trans, abortion, women’s rights?

And then separately

How much further left are they than Gaza, West Bank, Iran, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria?


Can you see how Israel being “far right” in your opinion, might not be the main reason, or even in the top 5 for why this is an issue? Can you not look historically at “far left” countries doing the same or worse?

On October 04 2026 02:52 Nebuchad wrote:


No, Israel doesn't have far right policies in regards to lgbt, trans, abortion, women's rights. They do have extreme far right policies however when it comes to Palestinians, which you apparently don't care about at all but you should, Palestinians are also humans and also deserve human rights. This is, as usual, very simple.

I have never really understood why you're so comfortable with telling gay Palestinians who were killed by IDF bombings: "Rejoice! At least the people who did this didn't kill you because you're gay, they killed you because you're Palestinian". That's not a good argument. If a government is enacting far right policies based on far right justifications, then it is far right, and what you should do is describe it as far right, that's how words work. We don't need to first check if there are some other contexts in which the government is not far right or if Joel Webbon is in the vicinity to be a larger fascist.

We know that Netanyahu is a far right leader because his policies on the treatment of Palestinians in the West Bank (with military and monetary support for settlements), in Gaza (with ethnic cleansing) and in Israel (with a very clear two tier society where Palestinians are on the bottom) is far right. We know because his rhetoric his entire life has been far right rhetoric. We also know because he is reaching out to far right parties all over Europe and with Trump for allyship, he's not confused where he stands on the political spectrum, you're the only person in the equation who is. The dude literally couldn't be more of a textbook example of a far right leader who knows that they are a far right leader and is comfortable with being a far right leader.

On October 04 2026 02:55 Billyboy wrote:

I haven’t done or thought any of the things you accuse me of. You just have to stoop to that because you don’t have any actual arguments for my actual positions.

On October 04 2026 02:56 LightSpectra wrote:
Why did you bring up communists? Are there communists in this thread? Do any communists have any significant influence over the Israel-Palestine conflict?

Please, we know the realities of urban warfare. Urban warfare doesn't justify settlers stealing land, houses, and resources from Palestinians. Urban warfare doesn't justify ⅔rds of all journalist warzone deaths happening in Gaza. Urban warfare doesn't justify Ben-Gvir and Smotrich crying for rivers of blood of Arab children and getting shrugged off despite being government ministers.

On October 04 2026 02:59 Nebuchad wrote:


I see, I guess I was wrong then, I thought that you wanted to argue against Netanyahu being far right, but you do not, you agree with me that he is. Excellent.

On October 04 2026 03:24 Billyboy wrote:

Because if the analysis is that they are doing all this bad shit because they are evil right wingers than that far leftists do the same is a pretty good counter argument that maybe that is not the only thing to be looking at.

On October 04 2026 03:51 LightSpectra wrote:


There are evil people of every ideology. There are evil people with no ideology. There are evil people who have appropriated an ideology that was intended to oppose the very evils done in its name. I don't think any of these statements are controversial. "Communists have done bad things" doesn't mean Zionism (at least in its current existent state represented by a consistent majority of Israeli voters) isn't an evil ideology. I'm still really lost why this was brought up at all.

On October 04 2026 04:09 Billyboy wrote:

Because we have users in here that bring every issue down to left right, even when not applicable. We also have had users who have called for what Israel is doing to happen to the far right or capitalists. And Hamas is as far right as it gets, so you think they would have some sort of awakening that maybe killing all their “enemies” isn’t as cool as it sounds.

On October 04 2026 04:09 Billyboy wrote:

Because we have users in here that bring every issue down to left right, even when not applicable. We also have had users who have called for what Israel is doing to happen to the far right or capitalists. And Hamas is as far right as it gets, so you think they would have some sort of awakening that maybe killing all their “enemies” isn’t as cool as it sounds.

On October 04 2026 04:16 Nebuchad wrote:


People from every ideology have the capacity to do bad shit, it's not any kind of point at all. Centrists do bad shit all the time as well, Biden defended Netanyahu for his whole-ass term (as did you, under the JimmiC monicker), the US supported Suharto and about 975000 other dictators who killed untold amount of humans under the premise of anticommunism. Let alone support, they killed massive amounts of people themselves in Nagasaki, in Vietnam or wherever else tickled Kissinger's fancy.

The difference is that doing these things is central to being an extreme rightwinger, that's the defining characteristic of the ideology. If you do not target and mistreat, or have the will to target and mistreat, any group, then you are, by definition, not far right. You can easily define being a liberal without talking about casually dropping napalm on Cambodia because the planes are too heavy to reach Vietnam, and you can easily define being a socialist without talking about executing landlords. You cannot talk about being far right without talking about the identity groups that you plan to treat worse than others.

On October 04 2026 02:25 aseq wrote:


From being "ooh, offended" because of a wrong pronoun back to calling other people stupid because they have a different opinion than you...in 1 post.

On October 04 2026 03:26 Billyboy wrote:

Still missing the boat, guess when it gets more complicated than right bad or israel bad, you just can’t keep up.

On October 04 2026 04:09 Billyboy wrote:

Because we have users in here that bring every issue down to left right, even when not applicable. We also have had users who have called for what Israel is doing to happen to the far right or capitalists. And Hamas is as far right as it gets, so you think they would have some sort of awakening that maybe killing all their “enemies” isn’t as cool as it sounds.

On October 04 2026 02:56 LightSpectra wrote:
Please, we know the realities of urban warfare. Urban warfare doesn't justify settlers stealing land, houses, and resources from Palestinians. Urban warfare doesn't justify ⅔rds of all journalist warzone deaths happening in Gaza. Urban warfare doesn't justify Ben-Gvir and Smotrich crying for rivers of blood of Arab children and getting shrugged off despite being government ministers.

On October 04 2026 06:30 PremoBeats wrote:
All of you are forgetting the Arabs and Palestinians living peacefully embedded in Israel's society that Israel doesn't give a fuck about. Hmm, perhaps killing them because they are bad Palestinians and deserve to die isn't really the full story.
I personally don't think it adds anything relevant to this discussion to put on tags on this conflict. I've seen both ends of the political spectrum commit the worst atrocities and even team up when forming coalitions. Partys take 180° turns after a couple of years on "essential and central" policies or topics... you are either an asshole or you're not. The left/right monicker is utterly useless for that, as most people can't think on their own anymore and are simply topic-related opportunists to their tribe.


@Wombat
I think you are right in saying that truly bad stuff can simply be called bad. But isn't that exactly the issue?
That some people might question if ministers actually said heinous things about all Palestinians when the broader context was the attack on Israel or Hamas?
Settlements are probably the clearest example here. But who on this thread is actually defending these?





Who says urban warfare justifies any of that? Who actually made that point? Who even defended the settlements?

It is again a sligh trick to change "explain" to "justify".
You further came at me with the journalist example, ignored all other context and numbers I brought up, but retained the 2/3 thing you found when reading up the argument about the CPJ. That is exactly the selective posting of informations that this thread is plagued by.
But perhaps you simply overlooked the two posts I addressed to you, which showed just how much of an odd-man-out Gaza is: https://tl.net/forum/general/573090-things-arent-peaceful-in-palestine?page=539#10771

Btw: Which Ben-Gvir and Smotrich quotes are you referring to where they "cry for rivers of blood of Arab children"?

On October 04 2026 04:58 Billyboy wrote:
What you’re saying I did, or he did, didn’t actually happen. It’s just what you accuse people of when they don’t hate hard enough. On the far right ideology I agree, which is why I’m against it. I’m just also against the hate filled “leftists” too.